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no problem str

so the dirt spray on the turn was not to his liking..I guess by what you are saying that some horses will get some experience with this while training..great info that running...

having a tough time moving within the post so didn't highlight..this really wasn't a tough trip..the thing I found impressive is after being right up there early he seemed to just fall back on the...

nothing subtle about it..so guess there are times a horse who has more in the tank won't go by another because it's intimidated to do so

think I might have another follow str



debut horse bet really well

how much he cost factoring a weanling purchase and gun runner much cheaper in 2021..dam and progeny is nothing special...

definitely can see that KB was different than DM as far as resetting (if that's a good word)


seems by what you said that he's healthy and clement's preparing him mentally and physically for his...

besides the peter pan there is only one other spot in may in ny that fits the bill.. sunday 5/19 @ 1 mile (so 1 turn) a 3up alw2xot or clm62.5..probably be one of those two if he runs in ny next...

where he broke his maiden 1st time out @ 7f..I think this path makes sense if the horse is ready






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I'd love to see him try it but understand if they decide to pass..we both would like to see him have a nice career and that's much more important than running him back quick..the pp might be a better...

guess the drf is a good barometer of how a very large % of bettors in his next start will view his last race .. my guess is only a fraction of a percent of the betting public would see the race the...

no problem str and as I said ..I've enjoyed the process also

you describe it better as it really comes down to taking cues from the jockey through the bit and reigns and he showed the ability to...

looks like KB learned his lessons well..able to relax,settle (didn't go after the 5) and ran a big race
..couple of other notes ..andie biancone of fan duel mentioned how great he looks as a...

a win here and in his next ,wherever that might be, and guess the whitney's not out of the question..yes dream remains alive till 5:30 ..go get em KB !


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it's certainly not going to be the pace scenario in the la derby last year..bring that up of course because it's the same distance..to explain to everybody he was the lone speed on a very soft...

I thought this spot was top 2 or 3 logical factoring class and timing..I agree str that ideally you'd want him going a half to 1 furlong shorter (latter probably more common) and this is an...

I believe str would concur that we are more fans of the horse then monetarily interested..been following him since he broke his maiden at gulfstream in his first start..my impression looking at the...

yes madison..running in that race this Saturday..thanks

think kingsbarns doesn't have the best setup on saturday with that other speed horse posted just outside of him..I have a hunch ,especially with the longer than usual route distance,
that the...

getting something out of it but not as much as if he had run competively to the end makes sense..nice to know that he came out of the race in good shape..I'd like to see him take his next shot at 7f...

hey str


realize it doesn't make sense for deterministic to run in the derby but since he is eligible wanted to ask you this ..strictly from a conditioning standpoint
could they have him ready...

absolutely..i'll try to stable him but I always seem to struggle with that ..can just take a peek at those types of races at lrl as a backup..I'll find him

yeah I noticed ..np understanding it and appreciate the feedback on short notice


maybe add a cheap mcl to the "follow" stable(kingsbarns,deterministic and lol)
based on the fact there was good...

thanks str..winds up being a vet scratch

stopped looking overall but 2 army mules going at lrl also (r6,10)....r6 named deployment (7-2)..good one lol

have to think for such a cheap horse he must be in good shape to work out so long and frequently

hey str


horse at Laurel I thought you'd find interesting


R3 #6 enkindle (6-1)

bottom maiden claimer ..coming back in 1 year to the day (coincidence but still a bit intriguing)..trained...

feel I'm wrong about this..an alw oc would be a good fit for him upon return even if it winds up being at saratoga

amazing how all those hopes and dreams can go out the window possibly because the horse inside you breaks bad.. especially a horse,as you said, thats as an odds-on favorite in a major derby prep .....

amazing the details you notice str..i'll get back with a comment and follow up questions tomorrow..definitely will have some

I think if he was able to find space around the 3/8ths pole he'd have been battling to the end..curious what you think str

agree with everyhing you said..it sets up well,has a nice post draw but the unfamiliarity with 2 turns against top competition will be his biggest challenge..don't think he has distance limitations
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track should be fast at aqueduct on saturday..as well as he ran on the off going in the gotham I wouldn't want him going to the derby off 2 sloppy track races

I look at condition indexes and stakes schedules to see what might be a good fit

ok madison..don't know how they come up with that but there he is ..thanks

where'd you see that ?

it's still challenging for me to do "reply with quote" on long posts so this is from you in post 7275 regarding deterministic


"But 2 works between races sounds right so maybe he is shooting for...

I wonder if they realistically had a 2 year plan to get this horse to his potential ? only 4yo and lightly raced,make strides and if he's up to it shoot for the moon next year ..outside possibility...

thinking down the road (if his next race wherever goes well) the salvatore mile and phillip iselin (both g3 in july,aug) at monmouth might be good fits..latter is 1 1/16th..he's been there once...

was thinking if the kee race is the choice
maybe they're happy with a really good effort .. being involved past the ⅛th pole (hopefully well past it) and holding on to finish a good 2nd or 3rd...

it seems to me ,off the top, that even 3 other than are infrequent..I agree that it would be ideal but I have a hunch it's not something that's available .. big extra distance and all i think it...

I remember seeing alw conditions like that in the past and it's a place he could run if it was available..trying to remember if that's a stand alone condition or attached to a nw2x ot race..if it's...

no kingsbarns on saturday

wouldn't have guessed it was this dramatic a difference in the late 80's..unbelievable




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great info on how the works might have gone ..not only the time but the importance of how comfortably he did
it and the learning experiences he might be getting running with
other horses ..glad...

looks like he may have worked in company with a couple of clements' other horses who ran the same time..gives me the feeling he might have got what he wanted out of him ..also ,as you would know, I...

guessing he "may" have gone a few extra furlongs based on what you've said in the past ...15's

deterministic worked for the first time since his gotham win 19 days prior ....at payson park he went a very slow 1:03 and change breezing on thursday ..I'm thinking if they were shooting for the...

thanks str and hopefully we'll see him next saturday ..add a nice extra spark to fla derby day..really is a sensible spot if he's ok after that work


i honestly don't remember ever looking at...

good call mrgnt

much easier spot than where she's been..would've loved her on the turf at a price but still worth a shot here

it's off the turf..1 4 5 8 are out


going #2 tiger belle (8-1)

be lower with all the scratches


like the early 2yo european form including beating g3 males at the same distance at top...