[Mudcat]

There are about 10 reasons to avoid them - and I'll spell them out again if anyone wants that - but what I am focusing on right now is they have players waiting more than 7 weeks for payouts.

I'm not talking about Moneybookers payouts which their website says they offer but they simply don't so it would be normal to wait 7 weeks, 7 months, forever (and I believe Neteller is in the same category). But no, I'm talking about players working with WW to get paid any way they can.

7+ weeks now, coming up on 2 months of waiting, getting slippery answers, not knowing for sure if they will ever get their money. I have been through it at other places and it is a crappy feeling.

I'm saying avoid.

[robmpink]

Funny, I cashed via moneygram the same day I requested it on Tuesday. Did your buddies commit any type of possible fraud? Just asking since you say they are trying to get paid anyway possible for 7 weeks yet I got paid the same day and it was under $1k.

[Justin7]

He was asking for Moneybookers. Wagerweb was not making payouts this way, despite advertising it.

[CrazyLou]

Countdown till Wager Web Sucks posts here?

[robmpink]

Originally Posted by Justin7

He was asking for Moneybookers. Wagerweb was not making payouts this way, despite advertising it.

Seems to me he says anyway they can, "I'm talking about players working with WW to get paid any way they can."

[Justin7]

Oh, I misread his post, sorry.

Mudcat, you want to share some details? I don't know of any outstanding slow-pays.

[robmpink]

Originally Posted by Justin7

Oh, I misread his post, sorry.

Mudcat, you want to share some details? I don't know of any outstanding slow-pays.

np

[bigboydan]

There has been a lot of people complaining about WagerWeb as of late. So I'm just surprised they still have a C rating these days.

[robmpink]

Originally Posted by bigboydan

There has been a lot of people complaining about WagerWeb as of late. So I'm just surprised they still have a C rating these days.

Who are these people? Mudcat? Who? Who is complaining that plays there? Ok, the MoneyBooker guy. You guys (SBR) need to be on the same page here. You have rumors by Mudcat about people (more than one) not being paid by any payout methods for almost two months. According to Justin, who I gather works the majority of the of WW cases, there aren't any slow payout complaints. Well you have Mr. Mudcat who's explanation is not all players want to get involved in a SBR forum dispute. Well buddy, if you really haven't gotten paid in 7 weeks isn't about time they try another approach?

Maybe if there is more to the story then I'm wrong. Live and learn.

On a side note I was a bit disgusted by a WW change. See until last week I would be able to use my free play money in the WW casino. So lets say I'm playing European roulette, I could bet $1 on each number (including 0) and receive $35 back in real cash. The downfall was your rollover doubled, I guess. I usually played a lot of let it ride in the DGS casino so it didn't matter. Anyway, the rules have changed where you don't get this return anymore. I guess people were taking advantage of it. I can't say they are wrong in this decision since basically you were turning in your free play for about 95% cash.

[mathdotcom]

I avoided WW after reading their rules. You can only pay out a certain amount, and the (high) fees are only re-imbursed through freeplays, etc. etc.

Big hassle

[michael777]

tell wagerweb to send me the $3000 they stole from me last year,they are CROOKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Justin7]

Originally Posted by michael777

tell wagerweb to send me the $3000 they stole from me last year,they are CROOKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Michael,

Did you fill out the complaint form? Did we take a swing at it for you?

[Mudcat]

Originally Posted by CrazyL

Countdown till Wager Web Sucks posts here?

I don't know the deal with that guy but when I made my post, my thought was:

Countdown till robmpink posts here?

And oh my gosh, there he is. Even quicker than you. He sure does find the Wager Web threads fast. And oh look, everything is rosy with Wager Web in his world. No matter how many people get screwed around, things just keep going well for robmpink.

As I say, I don't know the deal with WWS. I'm gathering he did something SBR disapproves of. Maybe he's a scammer. But at least he has come to the right conclusion for the wrong reason.

IMO you should be more worried about shills working your board trying to trick your members into thinking it's okay to send money to books that aren't paying.

I mean, I know. If anyone is too dumb to see through a shill they are bound to lose their money anyway. But I just consider it bad for the industry and bad for the board.

To be honest, I wish there was some way to keep both of them out of my threads because this is important information and I'm trying to give a Public Service Announcement and don't care for the crapola.

[Mudcat]

Originally Posted by Justin7

He was asking for Moneybookers. Wagerweb was not making payouts this way, despite advertising it.

I don't know what to say to you Justin. I see where later you have acknowledged your little error here, but I don't get the feeling you are paying attention at all. The whole reason I made that point so clear in my initial post was specifically for your benefit because I remember how unclear you kept being on that - over and over - during our other discussions of these slow-pays WHICH WE HAVE BEEN HAVING FOR WEEKS!

We have gone around in circles on this about 3 times now. You kind of present yourself as SBR's Wager Web guy. You should know these circumstances by now without me having to say. But then even when I do spell it out . . . mmmmmmm

All the other questions and points you bring up in this thread have been addressed in the fairly recent past. I honestly would have thought you were being sarcastic or something to keep bringing up the same points again but now I think you really don't remember.

Should I repeat myself yet again? I don't really see the point. I have said what I want to say. People who know me, know it's true. People who don't know me are no worse off. If people are too dumb to see through a shill and they want to send money to Wager Web, it's not really any skin off my sack.



*Mudcat rubs his temples as thoughts swirl*

Actually I've got to start another thread about these thoughts.

[robmpink]

Originally Posted by Mudcat

I don't know the deal with that guy but when I made my post, my thought was:

Countdown till robmpink posts here?

And oh my gosh, there he is. Even quicker than you. He sure does find the Wager Web threads fast. And oh look, everything is rosy with Wager Web in his world. No matter how many people get screwed around, things just keep going well for robmpink.

As I say, I don't know the deal with WWS. I'm gathering he did something SBR disapproves of. Maybe he's a scammer. But at least he has come to the right conclusion for the wrong reason.

IMO you should be more worried about shills working your board trying to trick your members into thinking it's okay to send money to books that aren't paying.

I mean, I know. If anyone is too dumb to see through a shill they are bound to lose their money anyway. But I just consider it bad for the industry and bad for the board.

To be honest, I wish there was some way to keep both of them out of my threads because this is important information and I'm trying to give a Public Service Announcement and don't care for the crapola.

You said you know of people who haven't been paid for 7 weeks by any method. I'm telling you I got paid the same day last week. Go jerk yourself and play w/ Royal. Make your claims but when asked 10 times for more info you go back in your hole. Make you psa and shove it up your ass Mr. I had no problems with Royal/SBG.

I never once urged people to play at Wager Web, rather I pointed out what I liked and why I play.

Important information of no pays, but where are the SBR reports?

[robmpink]

Originally Posted by Mudcat

I don't know what to say to you Justin. I see where later you have acknowledged your little error here, but I don't get the feeling you are paying attention at all. The whole reason I made that point so clear in my initial post was specifically for your benefit because I remember how unclear you kept being on that - over and over - during our other discussions of these slow-pays WHICH WE HAVE BEEN HAVING FOR WEEKS!

We have gone around in circles on this about 3 times now. You kind of present yourself as SBR's Wager Web guy. You should know these circumstances by now without me having to say. But then even when I do spell it out . . . mmmmmmm

All the other questions and points you bring up in this thread have been addressed in the fairly recent past. I honestly would have thought you were being sarcastic or something to keep bringing up the same points again but now I think you really don't remember.

Should I repeat myself yet again? I don't really see the point. I have said what I want to say. People who know me, know it's true. People who don't know me are no worse off. If people are too dumb to see through a shill and they want to send money to Wager Web, it's not really any skin off my sack.



*Mudcat rubs his temples as thoughts swirl*

Actually I've got to start another thread about these thoughts.

How is Royal? Ever have any problems with them?

[Justin7]

You keep talking about slow-pays. There are no slow-pays. There is a CS issue about payout method with one player. He wanted Moneybookers, but had to take a different method. There was never a refusal or delay in payment.

If you know of a slow-pay situation, spill it out. This far, I have heard nothing but rhetoric, and no facts showing a slow-pay.

[mathdotcom]

I am just waiting for a book to offer the following w/d methods:
Neteller
Moneybookers
WU
Bankwire
A piece of jjgold's debt

[mathdotcom]

Priceless to have that kind of power over the coach.. he will not want to be a base coach, too visible to loan sharks. Prefer to hide in dugout.

[robmpink]

Originally Posted by Justin7

You keep talking about slow-pays. There are no slow-pays. There is a CS issue about payout method with one player. He wanted Moneybookers, but had to take a different method. There was never a refusal or delay in payment.

If you know of a slow-pay situation, spill it out. This far, I have heard nothing but rhetoric, and no facts showing a slow-pay.

Just like the last 10 times asked, he won't say anything. Maybe he is a paranoid f (Mr. Mudflap).

[jjgold]

I always said avoid this book, they try anything to fuk you.

[St.Aquinas]

The Mud Cat Song
Mud cat, oh-mud cat singing away
sing us a song about Wagerwebs ways
Use generalizations and vague accusations
so that all of us SBR members can be safe

Mud cat, oh-mud cat still singing away
I think a guitar string snapped in your brain
Silence will help ease your sad Mud Cat blues
and we can bet without listening to your poo

Lol.

Having some fun Mudcat, I see you’re a songwriter/performer, and you know…it’s a disease I have that requires me to jest when individuals blast other individuals with ambiguous crude.

[pavyracer]

Wager Web is a must have A+ plus book.

[Mudcat]

Why am I involved in this? Everyone knows this is a piece-of-crap book. I certainly don't play there. After all the cheating and nonsense that has been confirmed - which is surely only a fraction of everything that has actually happened - no person in their right mind would send a dime there.

Apparently I'm on a mission to save the insane and dumber-than-a-sack-of-hammers. What is wrong with me? Well I started it so I should follow-through.



One player who was being slow-payed has finally received the last of their payout. It came 7 weeks, 3 days from the initial request. Hopefully the cheque clears.

And I have seen proof. It is actually pretty good proof. There is one long e-mail string, then two short ones right near the end. Obviously it would be great if we had all the other phone/LiveChat communication but it's not possible. Still, as proof goes, this is pretty good. Here's what the e-mail threads show.

1) A payout was initiated at Wager Web. It's fulfillment was complete 7 weeks, 3 days later. (Hopefully the cheque clears.)

2) There is no mention of any fraud suspicions holding things up or anything of the sort. Not even a remote hint of that. This is just a regular player. That's how long WW is taking to pay regular players.

3) Wager Web is piss poor at answering messages. At times there is a question or request for clarification, then a day or two later, the player forwards the thread back saying, "Still waiting for an answer on this."

4) Wager Web does some of their famous weaseling. It says on their website they offer Moneybookers payouts. That's what the player requested at first. The very first message from WW is them saying they can't do it due to a "temporary" problem at their end. The player chooses another payout method but several times asks when the temporary Moneybookers problem will be rectified. WW weasels and weasels and never answers the question.

5) Wager Web lies - not just about offering Moneybookers payouts. At one point, they say in writing they will send the payout by another method free. But on two occasions as cheques are being sent out, they take 65 dollars cash out of the players account and switch it to freeplay. No matter how Wager Web might wish we would slice it, that is not free. That's a lie.

[Mudcat]

Okay so now what? Apparently I need to prove this.

Who does everyone here trust the most? Hmmmmmmmm . . . .

I guess the only thing to do would be to get it into the hands of SBR people.

Maybe I'll see if Dan and crazyl are willing to have a look - and they can come back here and report if they disagree with my interpretation.

Not sure. Leave it with me.

[Mudcat]

And just to keep the main point in focus. Another player is still waiting for his funds.

That's one guy I know of. It seems unlikely he is the only one out there.

[CrazyLou]

Maybe it's just me, but I think this, aside from the random WWsucks posts, is the only real press WagerWeb gets here.

[Mudcat]

I'm losing interest in this myself. I've posted the information. WagerWeb/BetDon has a years-long history of using shills so that part is not a surprise.

It would be nice if the SBR guy involved could say something more in keeping with WW's reputation and helpful to your members like, "WagerWeb slow-paying? Wouldn't surprise me at all. There are WAY better places to send your money." Instead of just robotically repeating that he has no complaint in his lap and proposing excuses for WW and casting doubt.

But in the end I suppose it boils down to: Whatever.

I'll follow-up as news becomes available. If anyone wants to see this proof of the latest slow-pay, fire me a PM.



Bottom line remains:

AVOID.

[pavyracer]

A+ Book. Must have.

Tell them Pavy sent you.

[TLD]

Thanks for the thread. I agree people should be reminded to avoid books whose behavior consistently establishes they don’t deserve our business. Wagerweb is far from the worst out there, but has certainly been sleazy enough to warrant a mention when people are making their funding decisions headed into football.

[robmpink]

[quote=Mudcat;932873]I'm losing interest in this myself. I've posted the information. WagerWeb/BetDon has a years-long history of using shills so that part is not a surprise.

It would be nice if the SBR guy involved could say something more in keeping with WW's reputation and helpful to your members like, "WagerWeb slow-paying? Wouldn't surprise me at all. There are WAY better places to send your money." Instead of just robotically repeating that he has no complaint in his lap and proposing excuses for WW and casting doubt.

But in the end I suppose it boils down to: Whatever.

I'll follow-up as news becomes available. If anyone wants to see this proof of the latest slow-pay, fire me a PM.



Bottom line remains:

AVOID.[/QUOTE

Where are the aforementioned WW/BetDon shills here? Is it me? If so, how am I a shill? Please do explain. All of the recent WW posts you have made bear no hard evidence except for situations already addressed. Nothing new that is verifiable. Keep on being the ignorant nerd that you are and call me a shill because if someone likes the book and is treated fairly, they are a shill. Just like when you said you never had a problem with Royal. Geez, you must be a shill. As always you have nothing new to substantiate your claims. With all of the people you talk to it is kind of funny that you can't prove what you say. A case of sour grapes if you ask me, Mudflap.

You are entitled to your opinion, avoid. It really doesn't say much though when you were a consistent player at BetRoyal and say they were good to you.

[robmpink]

Geez Mudcat, your "buddies" are waiting now over 8 weeks for a payout through any means possible, correct? According to you there were multiple people. Where are the complaints? Where are the updates from you? You are the one flapping your pie hole about WW not paying their regular players. SBR hasn't come out w/ new complaints about slow pays. It just goes to prove your bs vendetta is warrentless.

[robmpink]

Again I requested a payout today (under $1,000) and I have the info to go pick it up. In the last two weeks I have done two same day payouts without a hitch. I don't know the affairs of other players there (WW) and I just find it hard to believe that so many people are having a difficult time being paid by any method for 8 weeks according to Mudcrab. If anyone wants to disprove I got paid I would gladly forward proof to a mod.

[THE HITMAN]

Some guy named Alex Steele keeps on calling me from there. I guess he got my # from BOS when Infinity went down. I usually don't give books my #, I am not sure how Infinity got it, must have been a pre -req for opening or something.

Anyway, He keeps telling me he's working hard trying to get my $$ back for me from them. His excuse for many calls is that he wants to "update" me.

God, there is no end to bullchit in this business.

Next time I'm going to shut him down for good.

[robmpink]

Originally Posted by THE HITMAN

Some guy named Alex Steele keeps on calling me from there. I guess he got my # from BOS when Infinity went down. I usually don't give books my #, I am not sure how Infinity got it, must have been a pre -req for opening or something.

Anyway, He keeps telling me he's working hard trying to get my $$ back for me from them. His excuse for many calls is that he wants to "update" me.

God, there is no end to bullchit in this business.

Next time I'm going to shut him down for good.

I agree w/ you. After reading your post I checked the livechat thing of Wagerweb and there is an Alex. Personally, I think it is in bad taste even if he was from BOS and works for WW to even bring that up. It still sucks if your # is floating out there and the book solicites you. Maybe one try and if you bite, fine. If not leave it alone. I was called by them last September by Jamie. At first I didn't respond. Then I called when I was low on funds and I got a good bonus. It fit my needs and I have resumed playing there since.

I mean this situation could just be the same if JustBet called and I reloaded with them. It worked out for me.

Geez, you have Bookmaker calling x amount of times, Looselines. If Bobby Goodspeed calls again it would be a record. You have Heritage sending shit about a stimulus package if you get fired from your job they will give you money once you send a copy of your unemployment check.