[Limpfold]

Jan 30 I bet both sides of a CBB total at Carib, u132.5 and o 131.5 for my max ($275).

I get following message 'cute move on Nebraska total. Wager S12094079 has been cancelled. If you attempt line manipulation again the wager will be marked a loss. If you want to play around go to the playground. If you want to do business lets do business. Sean'

Thinking he must have a bad day or something I didn't reply although I felt like thanking him for cancelling the losing wager.
Prior to this I had on numerous occasions bet both sides of a game just as I do with all my books (of which noone has ever complained).

Time goes by and yesterday I bet the Lakers 2h over 107 +105 and -105 respectively. A minute pass and I decide to shorten my position taking under 107 +105.

I then receive another memo - 'wager S-12212484 has been assessed a loss per previous warning concerning line manipulation sent to your messages Jan 30. Do you want to bet or play games. Line maninpulation will NOT be tolerated. We do not have time for this nonsense. Choose aside and bet. Indicate that you understand this. Be a professional. Sean'

I checked and sure enough he graded the under 107 a loss a couple of minutes into 3rd quarter.

I don't bitch when bookies limit me or toss me out but when they grade wagers a loss with unknown outcome that is theft.
I also like to point out there was no bonuses involved and in my dealings with them I haven't been involved in any other incidents at all.

They also suspended my account, I asked them to reopen it so I could withdraw my balance which is being processed atm.
Be warned.

[The HG]

WOW! This is unbelievable. In so many ways I won't even get into it.

Memo to self: never use Carib.

[eyeball]

I don't really believe this I dont book with Carib..but this sounds like a scam, for $250.00 i dont think any book would do this

[rake922]

sounds crazy.

[Bill Dozer]

It sounds like one of the situations where the book makes a handshake deal with a player it thinks is a pro...It will give the player the ability to give it sharp action at a modest limit in exchange for the info on what lines are weak and need to move.

Regardless of what their excuse is, obviously they should never debit accounts with a loss as punishement, warning or not. We will ask them to refund the wager.

[imgv94]

Interesting story.. Grading it a loss early in the 3rd quarter is amateur night.

[Bill Dozer]

The book can always say goodbye. No need for departure tax.

[DukeJohn]

Wow, it is hard to believe Caribsports would do this. I have an account with them and their customer service has always been excellent, but to out right steal from someone. That is a disgrace and I hope when Bill calls we find out that it was somehow a misunderstanding of some kind. However, it doesn't look good and although I do not bet both sides of a line, the fact that Caribsports would even do such a thing shows me they are not professional enough to warrant anyone's business.

I really hate to lose them as an out, but this is too serious to ignore...

[BuddyBear]

I was just inquiring the other day about opening an account with Carib but am going to have to reconsider now. I'll be interested to see how this gets resolved.

[imgv94]

With baseball season approaching.. There is no reason to have a Carib account buddy.. Unless you are betting NBA. I don't think u bet NBA tho.

[bigboydan]

Carib did issue him a warning and all, but they should have just graded that wager accordingly. Then sent him his funds while showing him the door even despite losing a potentially valuable information source.

[Limpfold]

I don't really see a reason why I'd lie about this. If needed I can verify everything I stated.

[Bill Dozer]

Wow, it is hard to believe Caribsports would do this. I have an account with them and their customer service has always been excellent, but to out right steal from someone. That is a disgrace and I hope when Bill calls we find out that it was somehow a misunderstanding of some kind. However, it doesn't look good and although I do not bet both sides of a line, the fact that Caribsports would even do such a thing shows me they are not professional enough to warrant anyone's business.

I really hate to lose them as an out, but this is too serious to ignore...

I'll speak to the right mgr. at around four today. If it is as he said, I fully expect him to be credited for the risk if it lost, the full sum if it won.

[Finpro]

A book should never mark such a wager as loss..but what puzzles me more is, how can someone be so extremely stupid?
Doing it again after receiving a clear warning? SBR stop protecting idiots please, this is his OWN FAULT

[Limpfold]

As the Laker 2h ended over 107 I didn't lose money on this, it's not about money. Judging from the replies in this thread it's pretty obvious who has a clue and not.
It is obviously disturbing when they grade open bets as losers, and really, who the hell issue a warning for someone betting a 1pt middle on a CBB game for 275 bucks when no bonus/rollover is involved.
A bookie that knows his stuff would welcome that bet every day and twice on sunday since it gives him free $$$.

[Bill Dozer]

Limp,

You should have your $150 back in your account now. It sounds like a good time to part ways with the book.

I am asking for assurances that they will never punish a player for not giving them the kind of action they ask for.

[DukeJohn]

Limp,

You should have your $150 back in your account now. It sounds like a good time to part ways with the book.

I am asking for assurances that they will never punish a player for not giving them the kind of action they ask for.

Way-to-go Bill.

I am still not happy they actually took the money, but at least they did right.

Whether you disagree with Limpfold's strategy or not, no book should cancel your bet and then take your money, just because you placed a bet that they offered. Limit the player or suspend the account, but to take the money, that is a different story.

I also have a problem with Limp only betting $150 and they call that line manipulation. Now I am no expert on this, but I would think more money would need to be involved in-order to move a line.

I will still stay with Caribsport in the long run, but I will be more cautious with the amount of money in the account, for now.

[treece]

billy dozer puts the fear of god into the books.

[RickySteve]

I recently had a similar, though less heavy-handed, experience at one of Carib's affiliate books. I made a bet on Grand Rapids +7 for the limit. Two days later, I see everybody and six of their cousins betting San Jose, so I decide to lay off. I take SJ -8 for the limit and risk getting middled, laying -110 each way. Not exactly a good spot.

The next morning I get a message saying "NO MORE BETTING BOTH SIDES OF THE SAME GAME!!!!" and all my limits are now microscopic. I thought this was a place willing to take action. It's obvious now they're afraid of their own shadow like every other book these days.

[michael777]

i always loved the book until a few months ago,lowered my limits to 250 and i also got a nasty message from sean,he is a reall ass hole as i did nothing wrong but win,never thought i would say this but when books like carib starts to pull this kind of crap it might be time for me to stop with offshore betting

[2Pac]

Wow all of this over a measley $150 - $275 ?

Carib is a bunch of dirty sanchezes, and I hope Sean gets run over by Sanka and the Jamaican bobsled team.

What a \*\*\*\*\*\* bastard

[beetman]

Shit move on their part, but it's good to know that their bookmakers are so clueless they don't realize a 1 point middle on CBB totals at -110 is something they should be happy to book.

[BigBollocks]

I have a similar experience with Carib. They cheated me over $50 when I was betting substantially more a game, and I've never gone back. I was asked to pursue it further here, but decided any book that chintzy wasn't worth my time in the first place. The funny thing was that I was about to deposit several more thousand with them the very next day. They couldn't have picked a better time to show their asses from where I was sitting. Carib is for the pigeons

[Limpfold]

Thanks a lot Bill, for the record they haven't returned the $150.
They will return it if /quote Having said that wager S-12212484 will remain cancelled and the $150 stake retuned to your balance on the condition you acknowledge the action was justified based on the information you received and later ignored. /end quote

Under no circumstance will I ever acknowledge that it's justified for a book to grade a pending wager an autoloss based on the fact that they accuse you of 'line manipulation' when you bet both sides of a game. If they like Sean for some reason don't want that type of action they honor your pending wagers and tell you to take your business elsewhere.
The only time it is justified to do what he did is when someone scammed them.

[Bill Dozer]

I recently had a similar, though less heavy-handed, experience at one of Carib's affiliate books. I made a bet on Grand Rapids +7 for the limit. Two days later, I see everybody and six of their cousins betting San Jose, so I decide to lay off. I take SJ -8 for the limit and risk getting middled, laying -110 each way. Not exactly a good spot.

The next morning I get a message saying "NO MORE BETTING BOTH SIDES OF THE SAME GAME!!!!" and all my limits are now microscopic. I thought this was a place willing to take action. It's obvious now they're afraid of their own shadow like every other book these days.

There are a lot of new people at the book and a new owner. At least 3 good people left in the past year. This book could have been A- by now if they stayed on track.

[Bill Dozer]

Thanks a lot Bill, for the record they haven't returned the $150.
They will return it if /quote Having said that wager S-12212484 will remain cancelled and the $150 stake retuned to your balance on the condition you acknowledge the action was justified based on the information you received and later ignored. /end quote

Under no circumstance will I ever acknowledge that it's justified for a book to grade a pending wager an autoloss based on the fact that they accuse you of 'line manipulation' when you bet both sides of a game. If they like Sean for some reason don't want that type of action they honor your pending wagers and tell you to take your business elsewhere.
The only time it is justified to do what he did is when someone scammed them.

We all think it's silly that they are asking players not to bet the otherside and can't manage their action with their software but if they already told you not to bet it, and they told you flat out they would cancel, you have to expect them to cancel it. Go ahead and admit to whatever they want, take your money, and then find a new book that will let you bet the way you want.

It’s clear Carib doesn't want day traders but for some reason has chosen to fine you and allow you to keep playing, instead of just parting ways. In their defense, this is the first we have heard about this and my guess is it is a one-off.

I have a similar experience with Carib. They cheated me over $50 when I was betting substantially more a game, and I've never gone back. I was asked to pursue it further here, but decided any book that chintzy wasn't worth my time in the first place. The funny thing was that I was about to deposit several more thousand with them the very next day. They couldn't have picked a better time to show their asses from where I was sitting. Carib is for the pigeons

BigB,
Can you tell us more? Is there a link to a thread?

[Thremp]

Bill D,

I've heard of these warnings happening to several people (Limpfold included), though never personally.

[Bill Dozer]

We communicated with upper management this morning and have been assured that no player should be or will be punished for betting both sides in the future.

Thanks to Limp for sharing with the board and if any other Carib players feels they took a loss in some way please let us know.

[THE HITMAN]

Am really surprised to hear this from Carib as I've been with them for 7 years and have never had even a bad thought about them. They very rarely make anyone's chit list.
About covering both sides, Everyone does it, sometimes it is even unintentional (Absent mindedly punching in the wrong side, checking it later and then going the corrected other way). Sometimes you just back off of some of your action. I don't make a habit of it..................but have done it numerous times, for the above two reasons or occasionally to do a middle.
But, in the player's defense, the game was there at their specified line which, to me, advertised that they want action at that price. What should they care if it is from player A, player C or someone holding prior action? If you don't want action at that price, increase it or take it off the board.
And,I mean, the player is (paying) his vig both ways, right?
I have never received any type of correspondence over this.
I'm no shill, but I would give them another shot, based on their good past reputation.


Just my 2 cents