[rickjames]

Allright, this will sound crazy but it actually happened.....

This NFL season, betting on a prominent offshore site...

I found a bug which gave me inflated odds on teasers.

It's real tricky.....but here's the deal.

*Only* when using the mobile (cell phone) version of the site......when a teaser wager is/was placed on a football game where the odds were something other than (-110 -110).......the odds became dramatically inflated.

It's funny how I first noticed this.....I found a 10 team 7 pt teaser, and after it had hit I noticed my odds were for some reason 23:1, as opposed to the normal 15:1.

After much investigation and trial and error, I found that to be the odds i got with 9 teams at (-110) and any 10th team with a (+100/-120 or +105/-125).

2 teams in the teaser at 100, 105, -120, or -125 gave 30:1 odds or so.

3 teams, 45:1 or so.

4 teams, 60:1 or so.

5 teams, 80:1 or so

etc etc etc.

They also offered a 13 point super teaser, which gives odds of 0.77:1 normally.

When all 4 sides of a given 13 pt superteaser were off the (-110)....the odds given were about 12.50:1.

Everything about placing the bet was normal. When i went to the wager confirm screen and entered my password, I'd see something like "risking $50.00 to win $36.38" or whatever.

Put in the password, hit submit, go to "open wagers"....

"Risking $50.00 to win $655.55"

etc

Only happened when bet was placed on the mobile cell.

Make the same bet on the CPU, get normal odds.

Can't explain it.

Anyway long story short, I'm a guy who puts a couple hundred bucks in to start the year and I hope i can pull a grand out by Super Bowl.

Found out about this in October, had $500 or so onhand.

Turned it into $13-16k.

Pulled it out $1000 at a time.......

Until they suspended my account with 9k in it

So yeah, what does one assume would be the best angle of approach here?

I have no dillusions about getting the remaining money. I wasn't doing anything other than wagering as I might normally to make the money....error in *their* system.

Should I offer to clue them in as to where their problem is, for a price? Because the problem still persists, or did as of the last NFL games which had a 3 point line (wildcard round, i think).

Or should I just be happy with my blind luck and never contact the help for an explanation at all?

[Doug]

WOW !

They probably figured it out by now, but you pulled the scam in an effective manner.

Would you trust them to pay you for the info ?

[CrazyL]

This guy is pretty smart for not attempting to cash it all out at once.

[ChuteBoxe]

Anyone else think they screwed up and should pay the guy?

[CrazyL]

Originally Posted by ChuteBoxe

Anyone else think they screwed up and should pay the guy?

No I don't feel that way. It was an obvious and blatant error. Having already cashed out way more than he would have won at the correct odds, I think he already has (and should) have a big smile on his face. Even Bill Dozer couldn't make a case for this guy getting another penny, while you can say he deserves to be paid in accordance to what the correct odds should be on any leftover winnings in his account, that's pretty much nullified by his already cashing out well past what he was due over his entire range of bets.

[isetcap]

The information is of little value to them as they have undoubtedly already discovered their error. This is why your account was suspended with a significant balance.

There should really be no argument about whether or not they should pay. Obviously they should. The question will be whether they can afford to pay. I would immediately put the matter in Justin's hands if they balk at sending you the full amount of your remaining balance.

[CrazyL]

Originally Posted by isetcap

There should really be no argument about whether or not they should pay. Obviously they should.

If this were a situation where he hadn't cashed out a penny, one could make a stronger case for him getting a little extra but not all of the $13k+. As it stands, I think this player is happy to have cashed in well off this exploit and I didn't get the impression he felt shorted.

[Iwinyourmoney]

Sounds like an employee put in a "back door" but the wrong person found it first

[isetcap]

Originally Posted by crazyl

If this were a situation where he hadn't cashed out a penny, one could make a stronger case for him getting a little extra but not all of the $13k+. As it stands, I think this player is happy to have cashed in well off this exploit and I didn't get the impression he felt shorted.

His feelings and ethics aside, it is imperative that the book pay the full amount if they wish to avert a situation that would classify them as unprofessional. No need for the book to resort to lowlife tactics just because the player did. Just fix the problem, pay him his money, delete his account and chalk it up to a hard-learned lesson on the merits of testing and quality control.

[Willie Bee]

Well I would like to ask Mr James to go ahead and fill out one of our complaint forms just to verify his accounts. No offense, Mr. James, but I'm a crotchety old man, full of cynicism and simply don't really trust out of the blue forum posts like this. Plus I just don't like to waste energy forming an opinion on something like this if one doesn't need to be formed in the first place.

[thebigguy]

Originally Posted by isetcap

His feelings and ethics aside, it is imperative that the book pay the full amount if they wish to avert a situation that would classify them as unprofessional. No need for the book to resort to lowlife tactics just because the player did. Just fix the problem, pay him his money, delete his account and chalk it up to a hard-learned lesson on the merits of testing and quality control.

I agree.

[isetcap]

Originally Posted by Willie Bee

Well I would like to ask Mr James to go ahead and fill out one of our complaint forms just to verify his accounts. No offense, Mr. James, but I'm a crotchety old man, full of cynicism and simply don't really trust out of the blue forum posts like this. Plus I just don't like to waste energy forming an opinion on something like this if one doesn't need to be formed in the first place.

I give Mr. James credit for coming out with the whole story from the beginning in this case. He's not trying to convince us that he was placing bets for his girlfriend who told him what to pick and that he had no idea the payouts he was getting were outrageous. He knew he was taking shots and the book kept grading the bets.

[jackpot269]

Originally Posted by Iwinyourmoney

Sounds like an employee put in a "back door" but the wrong person found it first

Somebody manipulated the system!!! Don't think it was just a glitch!

[MadCapper]

wow. interesting.

thanx for sharing!

[Doug]

I'm surprised so many think he is due the rest of the money !

[louisvillekid]

i don't think he should get anymore money, he took a shot at them cause they obviously had a glitch in their system. he already has banked in on them, so he has no case.

reminds me of a time i worked for a temp service being contracted through another temp service. i was working for Temp A, but Temp B had the contract for the company i was working at, i had previously worked at Temp B so my files where in there system for issuing payroll, but now i was working for Temp A, what it was, is Temp B didn't have enough temps to cover a job and was using temps from Temp A, which i was working with, anyway i had to turn my timecard into Temp B each week and they would forward my time to Temp A, well since i was in both Temp companies payroll system, i was getting checks from both, and i didn't tell them, cause i was only getting 9 bucks an hour from Temp A and people who i could work circles around and had to train new ones that came in from Temp B were making 10 bucks an hour.
It took them awhile to figure it out, and then of course i got let go, and Temp B kept calling me, saying they are calling the police if i don't pay and just kept harassing me and leaving threatening messages saying i stole checks that didn't belong to me. I j