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    Macgyver
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    Wagerunit bounces checks, refuses to pay

    Well, I was hoping that I could settle this with Wagerunit privately, but since it's been almost 8 months, I guess not. And it looks like SBR can't really help me either, as Wagerunit (or BTG Gaming, their cashier) won't reply to their inquiries ...

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    On October 18, 2009, I deposited $500 with Wagerunit and received a 100% bonus. The terms were that the bonus and deposit be wagered 15x in the Sportsbook or 20x in the Casino.

    I wagered until the bonus money was cleared, erroneously thinking that meant I could make a withdrawal. On October 21st, I made a withdrawal in the amount of $850 after wagering $12,500. A few days later, I noticed that $850 had been returned to my account, even though the cashier showed that the $850 withdrawal had been processed.

    I initiated a Live Chat with Wagerunit, whose representative informed me that I had only wagered $12,500 so far and needed to wager an additional $7500 before I could make a withdrawal. Admitting my error in wagering, I wagered the additional $7500 and initiated a withdrawal for the amount of $1350 on October 25, 2009.

    On October 29, 2009, I received an email from Wagerunit (I won't name the person just yet) who stated that a check had already been issued to me in the amount of $850 and processed on October 26, 2009 (the day after the $1350 withdrawal was made). The person claimed in the email that I "did not report the false credit and kept playing" and he was therefore cancelling the $1350 withdrawal in its entirety. The "false credit" he is referring to is the $850 I found in my account before talking with Live Chat, who advised it was the return of my withdrawal.

    I informed him that I based my additional play on what his Live Chat representative had told me and that I was simply trying to follow the terms and conditions of his sportsbook. His response was that, "In any case when you see funds that are not belong to you, you need to contact us so that the problem can be resolved." Obviously, I did contact Wagerunit through their Live Chat representative.

    The timing of the issuance of the $850 check (a day after the $1350 withdrawal) also lends me to believe that Wagerunit is wrongly confiscating these additional winnings. Obviously, I have a problem with this, but I have an even bigger problem with how Wagerunit and BTG Gaming "paid" me ...

    I received a check for $850 dated 11-2-2009 and deposited it; however, it bounced on December 8, 2009 with the stamp "Payment Stopped". Therefore, I've lost not only any and all winnings, but my original deposit ... not to mention the fees incurred because the check bounced.

    I've tried numerous times to contact Wagerunit, BTG Gaming, or even the Safari Casino group (which SBR lists as a parent company for Wagerunit) to issue another check to me. I've even gone so far as to offer to provide a bank account number and routing number so that the money can be wired instead of sent in a check.

    Wagerunit has twice emailed me, telling me "The check is in the mail." Both times, I have not received any check, even giving them a lengthy time frame to send the check to me. Given that it's been almost 8 months since the initial withdrawal (much less the bounced check), I have serious doubts about receiving any money at all.

    SBR can't seem to get any response and I get nowhere ... so beware playing at Wagerunit (and sister sites like DimeLine and Daily Dime, not to mention anything associated with BTG Gaming) and I will continue to speak out against them until they finally deem it necessary to pay me.

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    Scam sportsboks always offer great bonus (100% or better) to trap those greedy players.. Good luck..

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    that site is rated D+ at SBR, should be able to pay. Just file a complaint at http://www.sportsbookreview.com/Spor...Complaint.aspx

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    Macgyver
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackkkk2009 View Post
    that site is rated D+ at SBR, should be able to pay. Just file a complaint at http://www.sportsbookreview.com/Spor...Complaint.aspx
    Done and done ... they're not responding to SBR either.

    Quote Originally Posted by chunnnn2010
    Scam sportsboks always offer great bonus (100% or better) to trap those greedy players.. Good luck..
    Don't necessarily agree with that ... I've taken some 100% or better bonuses before with no problem. Before this, I had no problem with BTG Gaming or Wagerunit and getting paid, but I guess it only takes once.

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    never buy into these sort of bonuses...ur dealing with crooks here

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    Macgyver
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    Anybody at SBR have any contact information for BTG Gaming?

    I'm wondering since they're who the check came from, maybe I should be contacting them. As usual, no word from Wagerunit or Safari Casino group.

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    I wish that SBR would do a report on their home page about this issue.

    I see a lot of reports where the slow-pay (or no-pay, in my case) is maybe a month old. This issue with Wagerunit is over 8 months old!

    It would be great to also know if there is any contact information for not only BTG Gaming, but also the Safari group, since Wagerunit is listed as being in that group.

    Still patiently waiting and toiling away ...

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    10 months now and still nothing ... daily emails are ignored and I receive a suspiciously higher amount of spam email now.

    Just keep plugging away ...

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    jackkkk2009
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    Good luck to you on your payout.

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    Macgyver
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    Looks like I'm dead in the water ...

    The website wagerunit.com doesn't even exist any more ... even tried using SBR's link to it, but no luck.

    FML.

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    tommygun
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    dont worry mate it wasnt much money in the scheme of things, keep ur head up and play at an A rated book. If you are in USA you're a bit limited otherwise I highly recommend Betfair.

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    Did you deposit with a CC? Then you can do a **********.

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    Find out who you're dealing with first. This may not be accurate, but there are plenty of other online tools: http://whois.domaintools.com/wagerunit.com

    Once you know the person you're dealing with, and where to contact him, as well as some details about his personal life, you have more leverage. Right now you have none. He's anonymous, thinking he will never hear from you again. Just the act of identifying him may shift his perspective. I collected money once by simply asking how the wife and kids were. At the beginning of the phone call the guy wasn't going to pay me, but after that question I got paid, because I had the advantage of anonymity. He didn't know if I was serious or not, and it wasn't worth the risk to him. Probability theory has many applications.
    Last edited by Dark Horse; 11-02-10 at 04:01 AM.

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    Macgyver,

    I apologize for missing this post in June.

    We spoke to WagerUnit's hosting provider today (BTG Gaming) at length over what happened with WagerUnit, and published a report on our homepage. I also see no e-mails from you, you can always write to SBR directly at help@sportsbookreview.com or file a sportsbook complaint form to alert staff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lou View Post
    Macgyver,

    I apologize for missing this post in June.

    We spoke to WagerUnit's hosting provider today (BTG Gaming) at length over what happened with WagerUnit, and published a report on our homepage. I also see no e-mails from you, you can always write to SBR directly at help@sportsbookreview.com or file a sportsbook complaint form to alert staff.
    Lou,

    I received a few emails from Josh back in June of this year after filing two separate complaint forms. He stated that he had emailed Wagerunit, but had not received any response (similar to their lack of response to me).

    I also chatted with someone from BTG in September of this year as well who informed me that they were not responsible for the bounced check. I quote from my chat with them:

    The licensee is responsible for payments. If the check bounced, then the licensee did not cover the funds to BTG. BTG is simply a check payment processor.

    Whoever you were betting with owes you the money
    Unless there's some way (like the whois site mentioned in an earlier post), I think I'm pretty much SOL. If there's anything more SBR thinks they could do, I'd be happy to hear it and love for y'all to do it.

    Mac

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    Both the hosting provider and players were stiffed in this case. BTG told us today that they've been checking the WagerUnit domain periodically to see if the site comes back online. From what we were told WagerUnit had a small customer base, mostly Vietnamese, and that they were cut after they could no longer afford to or were unwilling to pay for hosting.

    If WagerUnit comes back online, they are at the mark of F until they make good on your bounced check and any other outstanding debts we can confirm.

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    Another crap book goes under.

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    gangeriver
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    and probably betsportsweb is next...over 3½ months now and still nothing

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    Macgyver
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lou View Post
    Both the hosting provider and players were stiffed in this case. BTG told us today that they've been checking the WagerUnit domain periodically to see if the site comes back online. From what we were told WagerUnit had a small customer base, mostly Vietnamese, and that they were cut after they could no longer afford to or were unwilling to pay for hosting.

    If WagerUnit comes back online, they are at the mark of F until they make good on your bounced check and any other outstanding debts we can confirm.
    Lou,

    Given your 11/22/2010 report about DailyDime and how BTG Gaming is willing to refund player's deposits, is it worth approaching them about something similar with Wagerunit?

    Now, I admit that I did not deposit via credit card for this particular problem ... I deposited through PayPal. PayPal's dispute resolution time-frame had elapsed a few days before the check bounced (surprise, right?), so I don't have that avenue open to me.

    However, I thought it might be worth a shot ... if I got the original $500 deposit back, I'd count myself lucky. In fact, if BTG Gaming wants to give me $500 in one of their more reputable operators, I'd even be willing to complete wagering requirements (as long as they're reasonable and something similar to what I had to do at Wagerunit).

    Anyway, let me know ...

    Mac
    Last edited by Macgyver; 11-22-10 at 08:05 PM.

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