[8550937]

does anyone know if lay104 is a good sportsbook?

[JohnAnthony]

Where are all these books popping out from? never heard of it, and that's usually a VERY bad sign.

[Justin7]

They are related to BetFirstClass. I haven't gotten a payout yet, but my limited experiences with CS have been negative - they do not know their own rules when dealing with deposit fees.

[katstale]

Didn't notice any banking options on their website, besides *******. Look forward to a report from you Justin on this.

[JohnAnthony]

They are related to BetFirstClass. I haven't gotten a payout yet, but my limited experiences with CS have been negative - they do not know their own rules when dealing with deposit fees.

Justin are you given money to deposit at ALL of the books that exist out there in order to get and know them?

[Peep]

I got a $1000 payout in six minutes through Moneybookers.

So no complaints there.

But I have stopped playing there, as they have me on a 30 second delay and move lines on me, even when it is a line available elsewhere. This is deadly when trying to play halftimes, I really don't need that. When you only have ten or tweleve minutes to get a bet in, delays can be costly, and cost you a number you could have had someplace else a minute sooner.

[katstale]

Pip, do you have to sign up to see deposit/withdraw options? They have Moneybookers? Neteller?

How long before they delayed you?

[Peep]

Katstale, they are basically same as BFC with reduced juice on full games. I use moneybookers with them, same name as with BFC. I would PM Judge for further details. I don't think it is on their website.

They have been whining about me beating them to numbers for months, you can see some of the old BFC threads about that. They think I am "sharp" lol, most books don't. They put me on delay after agreeing to move my limits up to a $1000 from the $200 they had me at previously.

I am not really mad about this, they have a right to run their book the way they want. Delays are part of the game. I was just explaining why I am not presently playing there, that is all.

[katstale]

thanks

[Peep]

As a followup, no delays on my account last night or today (so far). All this without a barrage of IM's, phone calls, or even a single e-mail.

So I am back happily playing there. They do have some good numbers at times, they always have.

[katstale]

Good news for you. I am with you, in that if they give you 104 and throw in some opinion, who needs a bonus. For smaller shops with good lines, I have np with a gentleman's agreement as to my max bet.

As a linesman told me just two weeks ago, if a guy stays at 500 or less per game and is sharp. He becomes your unpaid employee---not an enemy. Some places just don't really get that.

[The Judge]

Peep's accessment of Lay104 is right on target; "basically same as BFC with reduced juice on full games". While I can receive PM's here at SBR, my ability to respond to them has been limited so please contact the BFC office for my email address and I would be happy to answer any further questions that anyone has.

[katstale]

No API feed? I really hate the software that doesn't allow all the sports you want to look at to be on the same page. cumbersome for sure. any way around all the clicking and moving abt peep? Judge?

[katstale]

As far as betting goes, I like the ASI software which allows you to look at your chosen sports all on the same page without having to move around to different frames. You refresh once and the whole page refreshes. It seems their software you have to go to each sport individually. Takes alot more time and effort to look for good numbers especially during prime betting times. I did not see how to accomplish that feat on their software. But if there is a way..... be glad to know that.

As for API, thats a streaming feed of lines like you can receive at Matchbook or Pinny.

[blix177]

Anyone know what books lay104 does book to book transfer with, and anyone know the fees for outgoing book to book transfer?

[blix177]

Docta what are the transfer fees?