[ZetaPsi808]

This is what a BetPhoenix Customer Service Rep said to me in an e-mail.

Looks like we wont be doing Matchbook transfers anymore, at least for a while. I asked accounting when Matchbook transfers will be able to made again, and they told me only management knows, I asked management and they told me not for a while. We are only doing book to book transfers with Betfirstclass and FirstFidelity at the moment.
I do have a pretty good deal for you. For the superbowl, for 2500 or more, we will be offering 10% in freeplay with a 8x rollover and -102 juice for the superbowl game. Keep in mind, due to recent changes, we are no longer offering bonuses on reduced juice.

wow, this is bad. if these changes are permanent, that will severely hurt my flexibility as far as moving money around. i used to routinely transfer money back and forth b/w matchy and betphoenix. and 10% free play is fairly weak. even bookmaker, which is not known for their reload bonuses, is offering 20% for the superbowl

[ZetaPsi808]

fukk i didnt see there was already a thread on this

[blix177]

The no book to book transfer is old news, about 3 weeks now. But I think this hurts betphoenix too. They went from $40k a week handle from me to $10k, because I lost my flexibility of getting money in and out of BP.

[BigOrangeTitans]

matchy sucks nuts anyhow

[Fishhead]

Originally Posted by BigOrangeTitans

matchy sucks nuts anyhow

........a no.

BetPhoenix sucks nuts.


I have taken all my money out of BP

[Bill Dozer]

BP was working on adding another mainstream b2b sportsbook. We'll find out the status.

[John Dough]

Originally Posted by Bill Dozer

BP was working on adding another mainstream b2b sportsbook. We'll find out the status.

Thanks Bill, eagerly awaiting an update on this.

[Climate]

Originally Posted by Bill Dozer

BP was working on adding another mainstream b2b sportsbook. We'll find out the status.

Yeah, but Matchbook is the nuts for most gamblers. Hard to beat 1 cent juice.

An A-rated sportsbook to transfer to will help, but it's kinda like Tito Jackson trying to replace Michael Jackson. We need a moonwalking smiley btw.

[JoeVig]

Originally Posted by Bill Dozer

BP was working on adding another mainstream b2b sportsbook. We'll find out the status.

Let's just hope that it is not the CRIS family of books. $200-300 to B2B out is just way too much.

[katstale]

Pinny? Oly? por favor Even cris would/could be helpful

[Doug]

FF is a good book, but not so well known. BFC I have less confidence in.

BP needs transfers with a solid book, and not a one-way place like Bookmaker.

I can't seriously consider playing there again until they have one of these for transfers....

5Dimes
Greek
Jamaica

and their $20 or $25 fee should be eliminated, or at least waived for the 1st transfer of the month.

they have dropped quite a bit, IMO.

[Chuck Sims]

Originally Posted by BigOrangeTitans

matchy sucks nuts anyhow

Hello McFly???? Anybody home? Get serious. 1 cent juice or 10 cent juice. Sharp or square.

To prevent a mass exodus to Matchbook, Bet Phoenix stopped doing transfers with them. When they announced their decision, they told SBR they "will soon begin transfers with other major sportsbooks". Sounds like blowing smoke up our ass.

[bigboyfosho]

Originally Posted by chuck sims

hello mcfly???? Anybody home? Get serious. 1 cent juice or 10 cent juice. Sharp or square.

To prevent a mass exodus to matchbook, bet phoenix stopped doing transfers with them. When they announced their decision, they told sbr they "will soon begin transfers with other major sportsbooks". Sounds like blowing smoke up our ass.

this

[trumpdown]

Originally Posted by Chuck Sims

To prevent a mass exodus to Matchbook, Bet Phoenix stopped doing transfers with them.

There could be some credence to this, as this was about the same time they changed their structuring to not allow certain "sharps" the reduced juice. A possible scenario is they panicked once they had all the transfer requests to MB. I don't have a BP account so I am merely guessing this could be part of it.

[Doug]

agree with Chuck, usually do.

Phoenix has an odd choice of transferring books. FF is good, but they don't transfer with many books. It's a very good baseball book with a -190 dimeline ( last I knew).

It's also odd that BP seems to only want North American clients.

[Patrick McIrish]

The scary part isn't they don't transfer with Matchy, they don't (can't) with CRIS, Greek, Jamaica, 5Dimes and other industry leaders. That's what alarms me. Newer book none of the big boys want anything to do with. This forum is a revenue generating thing, please remember that and form your own opinions when it comes to your own money.

John said they own DSI or parts of it, I flat out don't believe it.

[MBENZ]

Originally Posted by Patrick McIrish

The scary part isn't they don't transfer with Matchy, they don't (can't) with CRIS, Greek, Jamaica, 5Dimes and other industry leaders. That's what alarms me. Newer book none of the big boys want anything to do with. This forum is a revenue generating thing, please remember that and form your own opinions when it comes to your own money.

John said they own DSI or parts of it, I flat out don't believe it.

I would have to see proof positive that they have any connection with DSI,common sense dictates if they did,why not transfer within the family?

[Patrick McIrish]

Sharp post. Asked John in another thread but he hasn't replied yet.

[Fishhead]

Originally Posted by MBENZ

I would have to see proof positive that they have any connection with DSI,common sense dictates if they did,why not transfer within the family?

If so, why can't DSI just openly admit to this?

If they did, BP deposits would increase in all liklihood.

[HedgeHog]

So what Books do BP currently transfer with?

1) First Fidelity

2) BetFirstClass

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????

????

[MBENZ]

Originally Posted by Fishhead

If so, why can't DSI just openly admit to this?

If they did, BP deposits would increase in all liklihood.

DSI has no affiliation with BP.BP has its own family:

Bet-1
BetMania
Bet Over Time
BetPhoenix
Sports-1
WagerChief

[MBENZ]

Originally Posted by HedgeHog

So what Books do BP currently transfer with?

1) First Fidelity

2) BetFirstClass

????

????

????

First Fidelity family

888 Viet
Grand Slam Sports Bettor
Payoffs Plus
Shengyidc
Wager7
YouWager

[katstale]

I think there is more "connectedness" between some of the top books than anyone will admit openly. I was talking to Big Mike (yes he is big and that's what they call him) of VIP Sportsbook in Panama last weekend and he said or alluded to the same thing. Maybe someone has a 5% or 10% interest in another shop. So they are friendly, but still competing. Then you have places which seek out niche markets. Phoenix group obviously has targeted North America with BetPhoenix. They have asian facing shops/skins as well.

I am not an insider, but sometimes I have a friendly chat with people who are. Phoenix has had it's share of ups and downs, but ability to pay has not been one of them. If John wants to disagree he can, but their bankroll is more than sufficient.

I am still gonna be one of the first to try their exchange. Not worried ever abt getting paid by these guys.

[gman2114]

exchange - will it fly as it is the only way to wager in a market - but need lots of volume.

[Fishhead]

Originally Posted by MBENZ

DSI has no affiliation with BP.BP has its own family:

Bet-1
BetMania
Bet Over Time
BetPhoenix
Sports-1
WagerChief

SBRJOHN says DSI has a stake in them.

[MBENZ]

Originally Posted by Fishhead

SBRJOHN says DSI has a stake in them.

Let John prove it,this info I gave is from a very legitimate source which I can't post because of a conflict of interest with SBR.

[Chuck Sims]

I remember reading how safe Bet Cascade was and that Lenny would never stiff anyone. People in Costa Rica claiming to know said Cascade was financially sound.

Do your homework. Is the sportsbook giving away the store? Examples would be large bonuses, reduced juice, large limits, slow moving lines. Any payout complaints? Have they stopped doing b2b transfers with a well respected sportsbook?

[Patrick McIrish]

Originally Posted by MBENZ

DSI has no affiliation with BP. BP has its own family:

Bet-1
BetMania
Bet Over Time
BetPhoenix
Sports-1
WagerChief

Bingo. One thing to understand when you hear this book is connected with this one and so on - the books are not stupid, they KNOW being new is a warning signal for players, if they can be "connected" to another major book the easier it is for them to earn respect quickly. Not to mention earn higher marks here at SBR very fast with the right connections. That's why at times a 2nd cousin from his mother's side sweeps the floors at Greek suddenly translates to we've got an ownership stake in that place! We're practically the same joint. Do your own homework, I respect the hell out of John and Bill but they are human and running a business. Use common sense.

[bettilimbroke999]

BetFirstClass and FirstFidelity? Good to know

Can they transfer my money to Cascade as well

[bigboyfosho]

geeezeee