[Justin7]

You would let me play unhindered. When I used to play at your site daily, I watched your management improvements closely. I could see improvements in CS, risk management, and other areas.

Sadly, I have had the "sharp axe" drop on my neck. Lower limits, -110 pricing, delays. I understand the need to do this from a profitability point of view. The secondary consequence though is that I no longer shop at BP. It's not worth my time to probe for weaknesses, and identify improvements or shortcomings.

BP's business model is a mixed bag. It allows high limits for new players with low juice. This is the equivalent of an RSVP invitation to pro players to join. When BP identifies these players, BP eventually takes countermeasures to discourage these players. If BP wants to be a recreational book, why does it do things to draw professionals? If it wants to be a professional book, why does it toss its core playeres?

I hope I can play at BP again. Any reliable shop (and I have no worries about my money here) offering -105 lines is a huge asset for pro players. But why, or why have you forsaken me when other pros come back again and again?

[magynuck]

Nice to know not just me.

[Johnpoints]

Originally Posted by Justin7

You would let me play unhindered. When I used to play at your site daily, I watched your management improvements closely. I could see improvements in CS, risk management, and other areas.

Sadly, I have had the "sharp axe" drop on my neck. Lower limits, -110 pricing, delays. I understand the need to do this from a profitability point of view. The secondary consequence though is that I no longer shop at BP. It's not worth my time to probe for weaknesses, and identify improvements or shortcomings.

BP's business model is a mixed bag. It allows high limits for new players with low juice. This is the equivalent of an RSVP invitation to pro players to join. When BP identifies these players, BP eventually takes countermeasures to discourage these players. If BP wants to be a recreational book, why does it do things to draw professionals? If it wants to be a professional book, why does it toss its core playeres?

I hope I can play at BP again. Any reliable shop (and I have no worries about my money here) offering -105 lines is a huge asset for pro players. But why, or why have you forsaken me when other pros come back again and again?

Brilliantly said Justin. It almost seems like BP is still "learning" the nuisances of bringing in and retaining all types of customers, not just the squares.

[JoshW]

Thought they could make money booking everyone, learned they can't? Risk management, kicking out winning players, has kept a lot of books very profitable that otherwise would have no chance of staying in business.

[Dark Horse]

Originally Posted by Justin7

...why have you forsaken me ...?

I think it goes on like this:

"forgive them, for they know not what they do..."

[20Four7]

Justin complaining when he helped create the current situation........ you reap what you sow justin.

[Thremp]

Pretty much. There is so delicious irony in this. But the answer is pretty clear. They're not a book catering to professionals/everyone/Europeans/etc. They're a recreational book that SBR has been pumping hard who started with an absurd number of flaws and now just has a ton of flaws.

[Frank]

I think its clear that they are a recreational book. I don't understand why people need them to admit it publicly.

Justin, maybe you need to decide if you going to be a player or a book consultant.

MY BOOKIE IS NOT MY FRIEND

Repeat that 20 times a day until you understand.

[BigDaddy]

this is one funny thread.

LOL!

[OSUCOWBOYS]

I have found them quite accommodating. They were doing the "air moves" on me until I called and complained. They stopped doing that after my call.

I have found they dont mind me "fixing" their numbers for a nickel or so. You try to bet more and you are charging them too much to help them get the number "right".

Allowing players to have 2-3% +EV, for a nickel or so, seems to be a fair price for sharps acting as lines managers. Limit bets charge them too much.

My .02

[moonbeam]

my limits are also lowered from 5.000 to 500 plus a time delay. but they are still good for me as long as they don´t start to void bets for no reason

[katstale]

Originally Posted by OSUCOWBOYS

I have found them quite accommodating. They were doing the "air moves" on me until I called and complained. They stopped doing that after my call.

I have found they dont mind me "fixing" their numbers for a nickel or so. You try to bet more and you are charging them too much to help them get the number "right".

Allowing players to have 2-3% +EV, for a nickel or so, seems to be a fair price for sharps acting as lines managers. Limit bets charge them too much.

My .02

this

[moonbeam]

Originally Posted by Justin7

(and I have no worries about my money here)

Why do you have no worries Justin? I have a lot of money there and I´m getting a bit nervous about this. max 4.000 per week?

[durito]

I dont bet more than $500 there often and as such have kept normal limits (except props which im at $50) and -105. My delay seems longer than before but whayever.

[hhsilver]

what are "air moves" as mentioned by osucowbpys?

[Fishhead]

Originally Posted by Justin7

You would let me play unhindered. When I used to play at your site daily, I watched your management improvements closely. I could see improvements in CS, risk management, and other areas.

Sadly, I have had the "sharp axe" drop on my neck. Lower limits, -110 pricing, delays. I understand the need to do this from a profitability point of view. The secondary consequence though is that I no longer shop at BP. It's not worth my time to probe for weaknesses, and identify improvements or shortcomings.

BP's business model is a mixed bag. It allows high limits for new players with low juice. This is the equivalent of an RSVP invitation to pro players to join. When BP identifies these players, BP eventually takes countermeasures to discourage these players. If BP wants to be a recreational book, why does it do things to draw professionals? If it wants to be a professional book, why does it toss its core playeres?

I hope I can play at BP again. Any reliable shop (and I have no worries about my money here) offering -105 lines is a huge asset for pro players. But why, or why have you forsaken me when other pros come back again and again?

Why is this??

[moonbeam]

Originally Posted by durito

I dont bet more than $500 there often and as such have kept normal limits (except props which im at $50) and -105. My delay seems longer than before but whayever.

I think time delay is not the problem (I guess for me it´s roundabout 8-10 seconds)

[John Dough]

Originally Posted by hhsilver

what are "air moves" as mentioned by osucowbpys?

Moving lines just b/c the screen (i.e. other books) is moving, not waiting for actual bets to come in to move the line.

[OSUCOWBOYS]

Originally Posted by hhsilver

what are "air moves" as mentioned by osucowbpys?

Moving the line/vig against me without the market moving. Essentially taking 2-3% of EV off the table on those "air moves". They got the picture after I declined every "adjusted price" and called and complained.

Example: It is a Wednesday afternoon, I would play an NFL game that that goes Sunday, Team X +4 -110 and the line would move to +3.5 or +4 -120 before the confirmation screen. The market isnt moving the line, they are, with the intention of trying to improve their position on that event.

[hhsilver]

Thanks , so they single you out because they fear you? despicable .... I'm glad you never take the new line and complained.

[Dr.Gonzo]

Originally Posted by Fishhead

Why is this??

He has $ there and doesn't want to cause a stampede

[Fishhead]

Originally Posted by Dr.Gonzo

He has $ there and doesn't want to cause a stampede

[Dank_Fire]

Originally Posted by hhsilver

Thanks , so they single you out because they fear you? despicable .... I'm glad you never take the new line and complained.

Just one of many tactics books use to clamp down on sharper players

[wisky]

How long is the delay for bets when you are put on delay. Seconds or more ?

[tltaylor89]

Average delay is about 6 seconds

[BET THE HOOK]

I normally come to the rescue when people bash BP but I am so pissed right now at Phil that I almost closed my accounts at BP,BetMania, and WagerChief. Richard tries hard to build relationships and Phil pisses on them.

[BigDaddy]

Originally Posted by wisky

How long is the delay for bets when you are put on delay. Seconds or more ?

ask fishhead i'm sure he can tell you

[tltaylor89]

Ohh how fast the money leaks get plugged

[Tomato]

So you're saying you wish a recreational book would conduct it's business like a professional book?

Tomato doesn't understand the point of this thread.

[warriorfan707]

BP Wraps itself around my dick

[tltaylor89]

Originally Posted by Tomato

So you're saying you wish a recreational book would conduct it's business like a professional book?

Tomato doesn't understand the point of this thread.

He uses Pinny I dont get why he is trying to play at all the books

[Vince Lombardi]

Originally Posted by moonbeam

I think time delay is not the problem (I guess for me it´s roundabout 8-10 seconds)

What delay? The betting software a problem?

[Johnny 55]

Vince, time to enter the 21st century.

[moonbeam]

Originally Posted by Vince Lombardi

What delay? The betting software a problem?

I have no problem with this 10 seconds delay Vince.

But I doubt about their payouts.

4000 max payout per week isn´t that much, and phoenix counts one week as 11 days

[RogueScholar]

Originally Posted by Fishhead

Why is this??

Because unlike your beloved Matchbook, Fishbrains, BetPho has shown an uncompromising commitment to profitability as a business model. They scrimp on almost every aspect but making sure that the dollars flow in the door faster than they fly out. That's the definition of a safe book to play at, provided that they deal fair with you.