[hhsilver]

It's now 6:40 am and I am getting 105 for NBA and NFL , but 110 for NCAAB. Is this normal for them or a mistake? I've only been playing 105 a short time there and played ncaab at 105, but not this early in morning I guess. At what time will the 110 become 105 for ncaab if it is the case that they don't have 105 overnight?

[MBENZ]

Originally Posted by hhsilver

It's now 6:40 am and I am getting 105 for NBA and NFL , but 110 for NCAAB. Is this normal for them or a mistake? I've only been playing 105 a short time there and played ncaab at 105, but not this early in morning I guess. At what time will the 110 become 105 for ncaab if it is the case that they don't have 105 overnight?

Who knows anymore,nothing makes sense over there.I did see this at another site,so heads up again.

FYI - BetPhoenix users, more possible downtime
BP just posted this I see, more possible down time Sunday.

Important notice
January 17th, 2010

Engineers will be performing software upgrade for improved network reliability.
Our Services could experiment some instability January 17th, 2010 between 12:00mn(EST) and 02:00am(EST).

[bluefish]

no i didn't see it

[John Dough]

They told me they are no longer offering reduced vig for college hoops.

[durito]

Deposit $ 100 or more and you are elegible for our discount juice.

That's right -105 juice actually translates to recieving a cash bonus everytime you place a wager.

*Discount juice only applies to clients in the americas or where authorized per account basis.

Reduced juice does not apply to regular season NCAA Basketball sides or totals.

For March Madness and conference tournaments reduced juice will be -105 on sides and -108 on totals.

[hhsilver]

I just got out of chat and was told they changed it to 110 for ncaab until march mad. Two days ago they still had 105. This is bad. 105 is what led me to try them.

[LLXC]

Sad and mad...

[MBENZ]

Originally Posted by hhsilver

I just got out of chat and was told they changed it to 110 for ncaab until march mad. Two days ago they still had 105. This is bad. 105 is what led me to try them.

Alot of things were said when I signed up,since then alot of things that were said aren't true.I was told because I asked that the once a month free check was as fast if not faster than Jamaica.Well hardyfukkinharhar to that.

[JoeVig]

Seems like they are really trying to tighten things down and stop the bleeding.

[dark star]

Time to bail on this once promising book.

[BubbleBobble]

I hope they will process my b2b transfers fast, this book is a fail...

[katstale]

If they can stay "up" i will be happy to play what reduced they offer.

[HedgeHog]

I won't be giving them much action on their -110 lines. This really sucks for college hoop bettors.

[The Bishop]

Was wondering what the hell was going on...

[TobiasFunke]

Yeah Im getting out of that shit shop today

[Mthorn]

more downtime... whats going on

[betphoenix]

All other available products are still offered at reduced prices. Due to current instabilities associated to NCAA hoops (especially totals) lines, we feel this is a necessary and prudent move for us at this time. Due to line movement game offerings are impractical to maintain positive hold at -105 pricing (as an example -3 and +4.5 at -105 is pushes the investment into negative hold ranges).

We will be offering -105 on college hoops during the conference tournaments and March Madness.

[blix177]

Just use betmania their sister company, at least it is still -108 juice rather than -110

[blix177]

I do agree with total going off -105, even pinny has it at -108;
As for sides pinny has -105 and 5dimes has -105 for since forever. Might just need to improve the R&D to beable to play the -105 on those lines.

Needless to say, BP will not be seeing any NCAAB action from me for awhile seeing there are better alternatives. But I will still use it heavy on NFL, NBA, NCAAB, NHL.

[gamble4heisman]

Yeah, what a thing to wake up to on one of the biggest days of the year.... thanks for the warning BetPhoenix.... you are well within your rights to do any of this.... however, keeping customers is not a right....

[blix177]

So here is an list of alternatives: For NCAAB

5dimes: reduce juice line -105 on sides and Total $500 limit
betmania: -108 on sides
Pinnaclesports: -105 on sides -108 on total.

[blix177]

Lol this must be a PR nightmare for MR. Betphoenix

[BubbleBobble]

[quote=blix177;2958878]As for sides pinny has -105 and 5dimes has -105 for since forever. quote]

Who are we kidding, BP gets killed on everything. Pinny has -105, right, but they have an automated software and a linesman...
the BP monkeys accused me of chasing steam, they are making clowns of themselves. I passed on so many scalps that been there for 10 minutes (or even more), noone has to *chase* steam at this clown shop.
Still pisses me off that i bothered with BetPhx, just because they have/had a forum loudmouth here.

[blix177]

Well I guess, they should drop the over-all limit and bring back the -105. Bodog has lines where you can stream bet to because they lean on fav/over. But they risk manage by lowering limits on all players. I am guess square average bet is around sub $100 while sharp play $3k

[betphoenix]

I see this as no PR nightmare...and no need to classify me as a loudmouth or monkey etc when I am just here to communicate. If you think insulting BP employees and my self is warranted, then fine, but again I am simply trying to communicate with you. Also, these notices were broadcasted before any changes were made. At the end of the day, NCAA hoops lines are just not stable enough at this time regardless of information provided. It is a negative hold scenario. I feel this is the appropriate risk management move for this business at this time. As stated before all other sports where lines are competent -105 is still available.

[Doug]

Wow !

[Thremp]

BP becoming more rec like day by day.

[blix177]

Hell, even with this short coming I can see BP meeting 80% of my total wagering amount. I mean where else you going to find a place to lay $10k on NCAAF and NCAAB at -105, for people in the states.

[blix177]

And yea it sucks for all of us that they not hosting -105 NCAAB, but I rather they have -110 then one day going into slow pay mode, then no pay mode. Not being able to play sure beats being stiffed.

[BubbleBobble]

Yes, forum loudmouth Richard.
Just to quote a few gems: "bet what you want, as long as you dont chase vapor all across the board. Sure, we take sharp action".

And the reality? I took some soft lines, and had a delay/-110 lines/1k limits very fast.
And those been lines where i gave the book some time to adjust them, just to make sure it isn't steam chasing...

Next time don't come here and praise your book as the new superbook, when in reality the management treats customers like shit. And yes, being cutted in such a way after making larger deposits is exactly THAT. Stay with the truth, and i'd show some more respect here.

[dmtrader]

Richard, I'm not going to call you a loudmouth or anything else like some of the 20 yr olds on this forum.Generally speaking, I have been satisfied with Bet Phoenix as a book. I don't think your book "sucks" because you want to charge market rates.

But I don't remember any anouncement of 110 lines for NCAAB sides. I do remember an anouncement of -108 lines for NCAAB totals.

It would have been nice to have a heads up on this.

[BubbleBobble]

Originally Posted by dmtrader

Richard, I'm not going to call you a loudmouth or anything else like some of the 20 yr olds on this forum.Generally speaking, I have been satisfied with Bet Phoenix as a book.

lol screw you, prolly a square. This is a forum, if i want to write like a 20 year old i will do it. Hell, i have every right to do so after i had some money stuck in this so called book that takes sharp action.

[BubbleBobble]

I requested a b2b transfer 2 days ago. It STILL hasnt been done, and today is NFL weekend.
But ofc i could use their 10c lines, awesome $500 limits and a delay to bet.
Not saying i need the money, but it *could* be possible i need it.

If that isn't bad customer service, i don't know what is.
Richard why don't you transfer me my balance right now, after cutting all europeans off like that.
Wait, you are the book, you can do whatever you want grrrr.

[betphoenix]

We still do take it...and the fact that NCAA Hoops lines as a whole are not stable enough to offer -105 without negative hold scenarios has nothing to do with your claims. But take your verbal shots anyways, because like you said it is a forum, and you are free to say whatever you want here.

[Jrod124]

why do u have to deposit 100 or more to get a bonus? Awful