[Thremp]

We still do take it...and the fact that NCAA Hoops lines as a whole are not stable enough to offer -105 without negative hold scenarios has nothing to do with your claims. But take your verbal shots anyways, because like you said it is a forum, and you are free to say whatever you want here.

You've blocked most of the world from placing a decent bet. The juice on soccer is 50c. If you think that these type of actions are consistent with your previous statement, you are mistaken. There is nothing wrong with being a rec book. There is something wrong with being a rec book trying to portray themselves as a book that takes professional action. There will be nothing but trouble if this is the case.

[betphoenix]

Many high profile UK books take far less of a bet than we do and charge more juice as well. 50 cents on Phoenix soccer?

[pjesnik24]

betphoenix please check your PMs

[Thremp]

Many high profile UK books take far less of a bet than we do and charge more juice as well. 50 cents on Phoenix soccer?

So you're comparing yourself to the lowest order of known rec books and... trying to argue you're a professional book because of that?

[blix177]

I am sure BP know what they are doing. There are only two possible outcome from this move.
A. They will make more money than before the changes...
B. They will make less money than before the changes...

If it is the latter I am sure they will revert back to the -105; hence the idea of "maximizing profit". If they do make more money now, who are we to tell them that they are making a mistake?

[blix177]

As for those looking to replace your -105 lines, go with 5dimes. They have both -105 on both side and total for NCAAB; but limit is really low $250, but I am sure that is suffice for 90% of the players.

[RaisyDaisy]

why do u have to deposit 100 or more to get a bonus? Awful

r u serious, can't do 100?

[blix177]

Mr. Betphoenix: Whatever happen to getting an sportsbook exchange up? Is it still in development or was the project scrapped?

[Doug]

good ? about the exchange !

[hhsilver]

anybody here now ? 5:50 pm during saints game.

If you play 105 at phoenix, check and see if you still have 105 on nfl and nba --- at present I don't even though I had it earlier in the day.


edit: 6:20 now .... went into chat ... it's been fixid. he didn't know why I was getting 100...

[jebe99]

I bet mostly college baskets. So when I found out they cancelled reduced juice WITHOUT giving heads up, I called, and here's how it went.

Me; What happened to reduced line? That was the only reason I opened an account with you guys.
Bp; sir, we are temporarily not offering reduced lines on coll. baskets until March madness?
ME; What do you mean temporary? are you going to offer them when next season opens?
Bp; No
Me; Then that's permanent, not temporary. You're just offering reduced line when march madness comes around?
Bp; Yes sir, like I said it's temporary until march madness.
ME; Don't insult my intelligence. If you're offering reduced line only at march madness time , then it's not temporary, it's permanent.
Bp; well sir, that's what we were told to say.

I wonder how financially strong this book is, if they are sweating the coll. baskets.
They promised a lot of good things, but have not backed them up. I would not trust this book.
What's to say that they won't stop offering reduced juice on other sports in the future? If they deceive you once, then.....
I dealt with a lot of books last 15 years, and I feel uneasy about this book. And yes, I have closed my account.

[Thremp]

The thing that annoys me the most is how Richard conducts himself.

[BubbleBobble]

The thing that annoys me the most is how Richard conducts himself.

Exactly, i trusted him...well as much as you can trust someone on a forum in that situation...i told him straight away iam a professional player, and sent a 8k deposit to start off. I didn't take the bonus he offered me, but i asked: will he take that kind of action without all the bullshit counter measures recreational books will fire at you faster than you can say A?

He said it's ok, just don't chase vapor across the board...i didn't...i got cut, delayed and put to -110 anyway. That is why i called him a loudmouth, and he deserves every bit of it imo.
Anyway, just two more b2b and iam out. Besides a few soft lines, major waste of time.

[jebe99]

Exactly, i trusted him...well as much as you can trust someone on a forum in that situation...i told him straight away iam a professional player, and sent a 8k deposit to start off. I didn't take the bonus he offered me, but i asked: will he take that kind of action without all the bullshit counter measures recreational books will fire at you faster than you can say A?

He said it's ok, just don't chase vapor across the board...i didn't...i got cut, delayed and put to -110 anyway. That is why i called him a loudmouth, and he deserves every bit of it imo.
Anyway, just two more b2b and iam out. Besides a few soft lines, major waste of time.

I totally agree.
This book is looking and sounding more like a small time operation, they just talk big time.
I do not trust them!

[Dark Horse]

The thing that annoys me the most is how Richard conducts himself.

I can understand it. He used to be very receptive to what was said here because the comments that were made were mostly constructive, even when they were critical.

But lately, mostly because of newbies here with little or no understanding of the industry, the tone has changed. So the conversation between the book and the forum has been cut short.

I would have done the same thing. What's the point of making yourself available for a two way communication, when little kids use that to stink up the joint?

To the point being discussed. March Madness is only six weeks away. So to change the vig for just that period sends a little bit of a strange message. Is it really so hard to make things work that you can't bridge these six weeks?

[JohnAnthony]

Never liked BP. Never will.

[blix177]

I think the best way to bring back -105 is to make the current decision a poor choice. Best way, stop playing the NCAAB lines till they bring back -105 or at least a degree of concession i.e. -107. If they have to have someone maintain the lines, that no one bet on, I am sure they will bring back -105.

What I am guessing is that -105 isn't nonprofitable, but they (BP) are assuming that it might be more profitable to go -110.

[Dark Horse]

Lines can move quite a bit. So -110 keeps out scalpers.

[exstatman]

Not to mention the weird bonus rules. I hit a +190 on the freeplay, which made my rollover more than $300 higher than someone who hit their freeplay at +100. The rollover should be based on the bonus, not what you win from it.

[Thremp]

I can understand it. He used to be very receptive to what was said here because the comments that were made were mostly constructive, even when they were critical. But lately, mostly because of newbies here with little or no understanding of the industry, the tone has changed. So the conversation between the book and the forum has been cut short. I would have done the same thing. What's the point of making yourself available for a two way communication, when little kids use that to stink up the joint? To the point being discussed. March Madness is only six weeks away. So to change the vig for just that period sends a little bit of a strange message. Is it really so hard to make things work that you can't bridge these six weeks?

Are they trying to hang with the big boys or play will the little rec books? There are plenty of books out there that won't take a big bet, and want to get a specific clientele. Nothing wrong with it. But you're gonna have problems when you make no headway on that front. Delays/Cut Limits/Restrictions on Signups/etc

The ridiculous 4k weekly withdrawal rule.

The list of issues goes on with this book which is actively taking steps to ensure profitability, but not to be a big kid. Most of the complaints are quite legitimate that I hear. Which ones do you think are "noob"? The fact that your username and password are in the URL when you login? That their web designer is busy loading his fave new drum and bass tunes onto the main page rather than practice basic security? GMAFB

[Dark Horse]

Thremp,

I hardly play there at all, so it doesn't affect me. lol I might be less nonchalant if it were different. I prefer books with a more stable, long term outlook, who know who they are and what they stand for. It seems that Betphoenix is still trying to figure that out. Short term fixes, little band aids here and there. On the other hand, they've been generous with bonuses, and they have taken on a lot, backing a number of other books, so I don't mind that they're preferring to play it safe.

[Thremp]

I agree. Then again the other books are all under their umbrella and how integrated they are... no one knows other than sharing CS and processing (likely much more integrated than that). Well obv they know, but lol.

Its the continual masquerading a pig as a horse that is irritating.

[Glitch]

phoenix jacked me for like 850 bucks then i called up carlos in the casino department and that guy was fkn smooth. he gave me back 150 of it and i went away because my problem was too hard to prove. i dont really have a problem with them but-lotsa good prop options. but im not depositing there again.

[bookie]

I see this as no PR nightmare...and no need to classify me as a loudmouth or monkey etc when I am just here to communicate. If you think insulting BP employees and my self is warranted, then fine, but again I am simply trying to communicate with you. Also, these notices were broadcasted before any changes were made. At the end of the day, NCAA hoops lines are just not stable enough at this time regardless of information provided. It is a negative hold scenario. I feel this is the appropriate risk management move for this business at this time. As stated before all other sports where lines are competent -105 is still available.

Seems reasonable to me.

[bookie]

lotsa good prop options...

In what sport? I haven't checked lately, but there NBA prop options sucked as of a month ago.

[Dark Horse]

What's the vig at BP for MLB?

[Stumpage]

What's the vig at BP for MLB?

Don't know the numbers offhand DH, but I can tell you that for Live betting it was pathetic to put it mildly. Makes Intertops look good, which should be all the comparison needed.....

[blix177]

What's the vig at BP for MLB?

Max: $3,000
ML: Full juice (20¢) Max: $2,000
Totals: -105 style
Max: $2,000

RL: Full juice (20¢)
Max: $3,000
ML: Full juice (-110)
Max: $3,000
Totals: Full juice
(-120)
Max: $1,000