[acegilz]

Hi There

I am looking for a sportbeting trustfull website that can give me a nicebonus everytime i deposit, with a relative low rollover condition to withdraw. (althought is not my objective to withdraw)
My objective with this is to aleays lose on the betting house and always win in BetFair making always the lay bet as what i putted on the betting house at high odd. (force the lose)

Example:

Team A vs Team B

Team A - 6.0 odd

Tie - 4.0 odd

Team B - 2.0 odd



Lets suppose i had 100% bonus. I would deposit 100€, and bet my 200€ on Team A at odd 6.0 (forcing the lose)

On BetFair I would bet "NO A" (Tie or Team B) and for sure it would happen and both me company would profit, i would win my money in Betfair and they will win my deposit plus the bonus (virtual) that was used to make margin to bet in betfair.



After this i will deposit again and the same story would be repeated



I just need the bonus to use it as a margin for the Betfair (thats my profit here), but the goal is to lose everything with them.

Please inform me about the best reload bonus cause im full of create new accounts on betting houses :P

Thanks

[mbynwa]

Really couldn't be bothered reading all that, however give Betpheonix a go. They give 100% freeplays each time you reload.

[Chopsticks]

If you really want a trusted bookie then have a look at the recommended books (also click on the european sports button) at the top of this page. After you have gone through them you can move down the list on the rating guide, but don't go too far. SBR advises players to play at books SBR rating B+ or higher.

You will find a lot of good bonuses with low rollover from the european section, but mostly 10%-25% from the offshore bookies. If they offer more then the rollover is usually pretty steep.

[HeeeHAWWWW]

Originally Posted by acegilz

My objective with this is to aleays lose on the betting house and always win in BetFair making always the lay bet as what i putted on the betting house at high odd. (force the lose)

If you can do that, why bother with the losing side of the bet?

[Marauders]

As mentioned, Betphoenix have great reload bonus with varying amount of rollover required. However, have you thought about what you would do if you win at Betfair instead of the bookie you deposit into? There is no guarantee that you can lose at a bookie every time.

[acegilz]

Originally Posted by HeeeHAWWWW

If you can do that, why bother with the losing side of the bet?

I need to have a good bonus from the bookie cause that will be the margin that i would win on the end of all (my profit ), summing that bonus to betfair laying bet, using it as a virtual cash..

Originally Posted by Marauders

As mentioned, Betphoenix have great reload bonus with varying amount of rollover required. However, have you thought about what you would do if you win at Betfair instead of the bookie you deposit into? There is no guarantee that you can lose at a bookie every time.

Unfortunantly i have already contacted BetPhoenix, but that Promotion is only to US and Canda customers..
Althought your phrase makes no sense as my objective is to ALWAYS win in betfair and ALWAYS lose in the bookie. (i think you mistaked on bold)

If i win at betfair all the money will be free to withdraw there and i wouln't need to complete the roolover to withdraw.. if i win on the bookie, i would continue betting to lose there... if i never lose ther i would complete the roolover conditions and withdraw on the bookie (not the objective)

This is maths, not gambling and...... it works, not only for me but for the bookie.
i just need to find a good reload bonus house....

[HeeeHAWWWW]

Originally Posted by acegilz

If i win at betfair all the money will be free to withdraw there and i wouln't need to complete the roolover to withdraw.. if i win on the bookie, i would continue betting to lose there... if i never lose ther i would complete the roolover conditions and withdraw on the bookie (not the objective)

That was my point - it doesn't matter what your objective is, you can't "try" to lose on the bookie side, unless they have infinite limits, or you're particularly skilled at spotting value.

[acegilz]

if i bet on hig odds bets only aka worse team, i will more probably lose...

dont you agree??

[Stumpage]

Originally Posted by acegilz

if i bet on hig odds bets only aka worse team, i will more probably lose...

dont you agree??

Of course, but always lose (your words) and probably lose (your words again) are two massively different outcomes.....

[Chopsticks]

Originally Posted by acegilz

if i bet on hig odds bets only aka worse team, i will more probably lose...

dont you agree??

Yeah I think most would agree with that. There are no guarantees blablabla, but if you arent good at spotting plays then betting at high odds is the easiest thing you can do.

Re betphoenix, you could try their sister site Sports-1. The rollover is a bit higher I think. Take extra note of that the terms say that the rollover is calculated on your freeplay winnings, not the amount of the freeplay, so your strategy of betting at high odds could come back to haunt you. But I think they only allow odds of +200 (3.00) for freeplay wagers.

You may also want to check out BetJamaica. They have a $100 freeplay bonus for a $100 deposit with a low rollover. They do reload bonuses of 10% (cash bonus), but have had 15% for the past two months. No telling if they will extend it again next month. But the $100 freeplay is a nice and easy bonus from a safe and good book. If you prefer you can deposit $300+ to get a 20% cash bonus and a $50 freeplay bonus. Both options should come with a rollover of 4 times.

[tblues2005]

I like Bet Jamaica is much better on the free plays there ChopSticks. I agree that they would be your best shot with low rollover also. 4 times is not that much at all here.

[Johnpoints]

As people have said BP has the 100%, but since that doesn't apply to you....good luck finding one of the HUNDREDS of books with bonuses out there.

[Monk]

LOL @ this master plan. Mate, don't try this, you have not been thinking about it long enough. You say you don't really want to be a gambler, that it is all math... well think about this... If you are not interested in spotting value, then you will bet AT BEST fair value at betfair in average. And that is really the most optimistic scenario. That means that on BF you will be breaking even. But if you are breaking even on BF and you want to make profit, where is your profit coming from? From the bookie side of course. But - again - if you are breaking even on BF, you will be losing betting on odds bookie is offering, so all profit will be coming from the bonus. Bonus comes from bookmaker's pocket so I can guarantee you that

it works, not only for me but for the bookie.

is far from the truth. The risk&fraud department of the bookmaker will be watching every move you make and take necessary actions to stop your cheating of the company.

I suggest that you take real life example, a match on betfair and the same match offered by one of the bookies and try to simulate what happens. It might be an eyeopener.

[acegilz]

Originally Posted by tblues2005

I like Bet Jamaica is much better on the free plays there ChopSticks. I agree that they would be your best shot with low rollover also. 4 times is not that much at all here.

Thanks for your comment, i will see BetJamaica..

Originally Posted by Monk

LOL @ this master plan. Mate, don't try this, you have not been thinking about it long enough. You say you don't really want to be a gambler, that it is all math... well think about this... If you are not interested in spotting value, then you will bet AT BEST fair value at betfair in average. And that is really the most optimistic scenario. That means that on BF you will be breaking even. But if you are breaking even on BF and you want to make profit, where is your profit coming from? From the bookie side of course. But - again - if you are breaking even on BF, you will be losing betting on odds bookie is offering, so all profit will be coming from the bonus. Bonus comes from bookmaker's pocket so I can guarantee you that is far from the truth. The risk&fraud department of the bookmaker will be watching every move you make and take necessary actions to stop your cheating of the company. I suggest that you take real life example, a match on betfair and the same match offered by one of the bookies and try to simulate what happens. It might be an eyeopener.

Hi have already tried this plan and it works.. with new customer bonus offers only made +- 2000€ till now.
I use this to find the good odds to use http://bet72.com/oddsmatcher/

Now i want not innitial cause im full of create accounts, generate ips, etc but a solid reload one..

Thanks

[mbynwa]

Unfortunantly i have already contacted BetPhoenix, but that Promotion is only to US and Canda customers..

You have been misinformed. I am from the UK and i get 100% freeplay everytime i reload. Where are you from?

[acegilz]

damn that sucks!

im from portugal

[patswin]

bet phoenix has good reloads

[Fishhead]

Originally Posted by patswin

bet phoenix has good reloads

YUP

Just talk to them on live chat or call them......see what they will offer.

They love being kind to their customers.

Heck, if one calls today, they may extend their Halloween offer(100% matchplay bonus).

FH

[acegilz]

contacted them and they told my account is already flagged not to receive bonuses...


would contact the responsable Jeff later today..

[Chopsticks]

That is unfortuate. Have you had an account with any of their other bookies in the past? Like Sports-1, BetMania, WagerChief and the now dead BetOT? If so they would have all your history and they will obviously know what type of player you are.

If you leave the account dead though I am sure someone will eventually phone you up and offer you a bonus.

[Peep]

I find the best books for bonuses are the ones I am losers at. Most seem to have this silly figure they keep track of known as a "makeup".

Silly books. Makeup should be for girls, not sportsbooks.

[Monk]

Originally Posted by acegilz

Hi have already tried this plan and it works..

It does not work the way you are saying it works. By that I mean that bookmaker is NOT happy with what you are doing, bookie is losing money. Your plan is actually sort of bonus whoring and is one of the reasons that risk&fraud departments exist.

The statement about symbiosis between you and bookmakers is the only thing I disagree with. You are their enemy and the fact that you are talking about IP, addresses etc. tells me that you do realize that.

[acegilz]

i can tell you that all these 2000€ that i won in one month came 100% from betfair (other users)

Every single deposit i made on betting houses were losed

[jasont]

Phoenix and Mania are good with reloads.

[tf]

matched betting is getting pretty popular in Portugal. for the bookmakers we are the new Poland... guess what? no bonus for portuguese IPs in a very wide range of european betting sites (like betsson, skybet, sportingbet, sunderlands, william-hill, paddy power, betuk)

acegilz, i'm grandenaboverde from AquaPC (you sold me one LCD some years ago).

[acegilz]

ahaha the world is really small
add me on msn please

anw.. GOOD NEWS

I talked with phoenixbet and now im done to receive the BONUS 100% FREEBET 8x rollover

Just one question to you people.. charging 10% juice isn't a little high :\?

thanks

[acegilz]

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[acegilz]

no more tips?

[20Four7]

Originally Posted by acegilz

ahaha the world is really small
add me on msn please

anw.. GOOD NEWS

I talked with phoenixbet and now im done to receive the BONUS 100% FREEBET 8x rollover

Just one question to you people.. charging 10% juice isn't a little high :\?

thanks

You got a 100% free play and you complain about the juice. While I've never done it, other players have told me once they have completed bonus roll overs etc they have asked for low juice and gotten it. But you can't have both, good bonus's and low juice.

[tltaylor89]

lol Betpohenix is youre best option buddy

[acegilz]

I just can't get almost no profit with this house...

First cause i can only bet the freebet at 3.0 odd max (decimal)
Then if i lose some bet, i would need to risk a huge value just to win +-40€ cause it's the best that i can take from freebet at 3.0 odd

If my bonus conditions could't be renegotiated in next deposits i wil stop using this cause it's too risky to win 30~50€.

At this time i have an opening bet ant B-PH 295€ and the correspondent laying bet at 430€. And all this to win 40€..

I think i will stay in first deposit bonusus jumping from one to another betting house, it's the best.. 100% cash 3x rollover

[Monk]

Renegotiated? Don't worry, they will not renegotiate the bonus conditions for your bonus whoring scam.

[acegilz]

Originally Posted by Monk

Renegotiated? Don't worry, they will not renegotiate the bonus conditions for your bonus whoring scam.

sure ?

they just did it

[yobinad]

what's your new conditions? acegilz

[acegilz]

6x RO