[bigboydan]

SBR poster Mr.Frank brings up an interesting debate here, and I thought I'd create a completely separate topic on the subject for debate.

Both things are bad for players. Limits could be cut to pennies or time delays could make a certain book rendered useless if the time delay is too long.

Which problem would you rather have happen to you?

[Peep]

I can contribute a 3rd Royal did to me one time when I was on a bit of a roll.

They put me on time then posted that the line had moved against me a half a point.

Happened seven times in a row, and I wasn't even chasing steam. When I complained, they just laughed at me. It was as they say time to move on....

[shipitkthx]

Originally Posted by Peep

I can contribute a 3rd Royal did to me one time when I was on a bit of a roll.

They put me on time then posted that the line had moved against me a half a point.

Happened seven times in a row, and I wasn't even chasing steam. When I complained, they just laughed at me. It was as they say time to move on....

Why does everyone act surprised when this happens on a delay? THE ENTIRE POINT of a delay is so they can do this to you.

[tomcowley]

Some books only delay you passively. BetJam is also a huge bitch about moving non-steam lines just because you want to bet them.

[Bluehorseshoe]

How are these things not a factor in SBR's grading system of a book???

[HedgeHog]

Cut Limits are far worse. What good is a zero time delay when your limits are reduced to $50 or less?

[bigboydan]

Originally Posted by HedgeHog

Cut Limits are far worse. What good is a zero time delay when your limits are reduced to $50 or less?

Some have argued that $50 made is better than nothing though. I can see their point IF they were forced to meet a rollover requirement of some type.

[Mudcat]

Yeah it depends. For someone who isn't looking to play steam, a time delay is no issue at all if they give you your bet in the end.

But some books use the delay as increased juice and they give you worse odds virtually every time. Bet Jamaica is like that when they put you on delay.

From what I have heard BetOnLine still accepts about half your bets after the delay.

If they are going to accept half your bets I'd rather have the delay than than the collar. But with the BetJam system where the question is really extra-high juice versus cut limits, I'd rather have the cut limits.

[bigboydan]

Lets not forget the fact that a lot of Euro books won't bother with time delays at all. Instead they will just cut your limits to $1. I feel that's worse because a lot of those books use stale lines in where a time delay still would make them useful to a degree.

[20Four7]

Interwetten cut me to $5 last year so I left, they just sent me an e mail asking me to come back. Willing to give me a $200 bonus for a deposit of $500, but won't increase my limits. So why bother. I would go back there for a delay but can't do there limits. Same thing with SIA, I would take a delay with them rather than a $10 limit.

[genz]

I know that there isn't going to be a definitive answer to this question but what factors would cause a professional A+ book like wsex to collar someone to a $200 limit. i'm curious to know how large a players total winnings or size of wagers would trigger this. would they leave a 50k/year winning player (who doesn't bet steam) alone?

[Justin7]

The biggest reason players get collared is chasing steam. I have almost never been collared when originating.

[topcat]

Originally Posted by Mudcat

Yeah it depends. For someone who isn't looking to play steam, a time delay is no issue at all if they give you your bet in the end.

But some books use the delay as increased juice and they give you worse odds virtually every time. Bet Jamaica is like that when they put you on delay.

From what I have heard BetOnLine still accepts about half your bets after the delay.

If they are going to accept half your bets I'd rather have the delay than than the collar. But with the BetJam system where the question is really extra-high juice versus cut limits, I'd rather have the cut limits.

what you describe has happen to me at 5dimes with propbets.

[Bobby]

For me it's limits, $50 may be better than nothing but it's really not worth my time if that's all they can give me.

A more frustrating situation for me (which is why I no longer wager online) came from when I was trying to cashout of one of the recommended books. I had won around $11K over a period of months and wanted to cash it out. As per the book there was a max of $3k allowed to be taken out per day, which is fine with me. I had requested the first check of $3K on a Monday, on Tuesday I would attempt to request the next $3K check but they would not allow it because the first request had not been processed yet... Ok I can understand this and have no problem waiting two or three days in between check requests. Thursday rolls around and when I attempt 2nd $3K check I am told my first check has not been processed yet because " there is a problem with our processor, but we will keep the money in your account so you can continue to wager...", all in an effort to try and have me give them their money back I'm sure. When I would decline and say I do not plan on making anymore wagers they would tell me to check back in a few days, in the meantime a friend of mine had requested a check and received it from the same book during this time so I know they were giving me the run around and wanted me to keep playing so they could try and win their money back. This game of cat and mouse continued for 3 weeks and then I had finally got the entire $11K.

Someone reading that is probably going to say "well don't play at that book again", but the thing is that is the only book I know of that will take the amount of action I want to play with for CFL. Wouldn't it be nice if you could deposit money, win at whatever limits their book offers, and then cashout without having to play games?

[Peep]

in the meantime a friend of mine had requested a check and received it from the same book during this time so I know they were giving me the run around and wanted me to keep playing so they could try and win their money back.

Yeah, that is a funny one books some do. Rather than boot you or soft boot you (cut limits) they chose to slow pay you to annoy you. Royal used to do this all the time when I was guaranteeing accounts for them.

[Karla]

CUTTING LIMITS would be the worse!

[Frank]

I agree cutting limits is worse if its drastic.

Waiting for lineup information and betting multiple games 2 minutes before they start or trying to bet a halftime line on a delay is a horrendous experience.

WSEX takes the cake as the only book to ever impose both on me.

[Frank]

Originally Posted by Justin7

The biggest reason players get collared is chasing steam. I have almost never been collared when originating.

It all depends if your originating plays create steam.

Not everyone on here chases it.

[purecarnagge]

I love betting...but time delays piss me off more so than anything else. Cut limits thats fine I'll find another book that will take my money and pay me. Chasing steam is easy to do just parlay a ML fav and you shouldn't get collared

[Trinidad]

I would prefer a cut limit. At least that way I know where I stand and I can look to do something about it.

I think time delays are an absolutely cowardly way to bookmake.

Why don't those lazy books put as much effort into changing prices as they do into creating time delays, identifying and limiting steam players etc...

[MilfDriller]

Bobby, I know the book you're talking about.

[Arilou]

There are a lot of different types of delay. The 'honest' delay, where they will approve your wager so long as the line wouldn't otherwise move and where you get 90%+ of your wagers when you're not trying for a pick off of some kind is relatively fine, basically forcing you to 'play nice' with the book. The pariah delay, however, where they only accept your bet when they feel like it or when they usually move the line and reject your wager when you try to bet is bad enough that it's time to take your money and go home. You've been kicked out, deal with it.

Limit cuts are similar. A cut to a reasonable limit that is still worth your time hurts but you live with it. Other limit cuts are big enough that you are effectively tossed.

[bigpun]

Cutting limits no doubt. RIght now I have to change my bookie cause and A+ rated betjamaica bookie has limited the options for my bets, so I can not use it anymore, is this normal?? that when you use to win a lot of your bets why limit your bets? I dont know why betjamaica is rated as A+ if they do this...

[durito]

Originally Posted by bigpun

Cutting limits no doubt. RIght now I have to change my bookie cause and A+ rated betjamaica bookie has limited the options for my bets, so I can not use it anymore, is this normal?? that when you use to win a lot of your bets why limit your bets? I dont know why betjamaica is rated as A+ if they do this...

Most every bookie limits some people at some point. The professional books (pinnacle, bookmaker, greek) generally don't.

Any book rated recreational like BetJM will limit you if you are beating them consistently. It's just a business decision. Take it and move on.

[RonPaul2008]

Wrong on Greek, they do limit people (online).

Originally Posted by durito

Most every bookie limits some people at some point. The professional books (pinnacle, bookmaker, greek) generally don't.

Any book rated recreational like BetJM will limit you if you are beating them consistently. It's just a business decision. Take it and move on.

[durito]

Originally Posted by RonPaul2008

Wrong on Greek, they do limit people (online).

generally

[bigpun]

Originally Posted by RonPaul2008

Wrong on Greek, they do limit people (online).

Did they limit to you RonPaul2008? and by phone they dont?

[DIF]

If this continues its just one thing to do.

Stay with pinnacle or the exchanges. You can beat them and you can bet high.

Sad sad but true.

Im still hoping