Bet Jamaica and Heritage are 110% affiliated

08-18-11 02:24 PM

I just got my first check from heritage yesterday since the switch from bet jam

Check came from the EXACT SAME address all my bet jam checks came from and it arrived in less than 48 hours,just like my bet jam payouts.This is a behind the scene scheme by bet jam.They have a deal with heritage.

Lint Pockets · 08-18-11 02:44 PM

everyone on here already knew they had a deal with each other moron

vcj16 · 08-18-11 02:57 PM

sherlock holmes over here

08-18-11 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by bradleysnyder

I just got my first check from heritage yesterday since the switch from bet jam

Check came from the EXACT SAME address all my bet jam checks came from and it arrived in less than 48 hours,just like my bet jam payouts.This is a behind the scene scheme by bet jam.They have a deal with heritage.

why people still deal with the paper trail of checks from banks not based in the USA...in these times with the patriot act allowing the government to watch everything we do

is beyond me

LordVodka · 08-18-11 03:09 PM

So what is the best withdrawal method if not check?

PM me if you can't talk about it in public.

08-18-11 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by LordVodka

So what is the best withdrawal method if not check?

PM me if you can't talk about it in public.

p2p using amount smaller than $800

so far under the radar going that route you'll never be seen

only problem is most of these books skim 10% off the top of your withdraw

BigDaddy · 08-18-11 03:26 PM

they had the same type of checks long before the takeover

people that played with both books and got payouts from both books would know that already.

nothing new here.

erickvivar · 08-18-11 03:53 PM

GrandMasterB is right, funny is how people loves to ask for checks probably to save a few dollars. I think personal safety is worth those few dollars.

08-18-11 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by erickvivar

GrandMasterB is right, funny is how people loves to ask for checks probably to save a few dollars. I think personal safety is worth those few dollars.

thx for the kudos

I get bashed by shills sometimes but if anything I hope my posts can help some of the newer players

offshore knows once they have your money...they need to do everything to make sure you dont get it back

stay informed in this game people

durito · 08-18-11 04:27 PM

They already said in the interview with SBR that Greek/BetJM was providing their processors for Heritage. There are BetJM employees working there.

Other than that I don´t see much connection. Greek would never hang some of these lines.

HedgeHog · 08-18-11 05:20 PM

bookmaker and DSI are 110% affiliated too. Some guy named Cris owns both.

John Dough · 08-18-11 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Grandmaster B

why people still deal with the paper trail of checks from banks not based in the USA...in these times with the patriot act allowing the government to watch everything we do

is beyond me

Maybe b/c there's absolutely nothing illegal about receiving a check from a sportsbook and free checks > paying fees for tiny P2P withdrawals? Just a thought.

KEdge2k · 08-18-11 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by Grandmaster B

p2p using amount smaller than $800

so far under the radar going that route you'll never be seen

only problem is most of these books skim 10% off the top of your withdraw

Translation: Locals licking their chops

Microphone · 08-18-11 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by John Dough

Maybe b/c there's absolutely nothing illegal about receiving a check from a sportsbook and free checks > paying fees for tiny P2P withdrawals? Just a thought.

Correct again. Zero illegal.

ehp6737 · 08-18-11 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by bradleysnyder

I just got my first check from heritage yesterday since the switch from bet jam

Check came from the EXACT SAME address all my bet jam checks came from and it arrived in less than 48 hours,just like my bet jam payouts.This is a behind the scene scheme by bet jam.They have a deal with heritage.

So you start a thread to complain about a "scheme" yet you had your check in hand w/i 48 hours?

Get a life moron.

JDUB07 · 08-18-11 11:06 PM

Everyone knows they are affiliated LMAO. Bet Jam merged to Heritage therefor by default they are affiliated. Who cares if they are?

08-19-11 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by John Dough

Maybe b/c there's absolutely nothing illegal about receiving a check from a sportsbook and free checks > paying fees for tiny P2P withdrawals? Just a thought.

I hope everyone here also understands that on top of what John Dough says (which is 100% correct) people act like P2P companies don't keep records. That somehow nobody will ever know about you and your gambling if you use P2P. If you believe you are not on any radar for using P2P then I am sorry to say you are quite mistaken. As money transfer companies M-G and W-U are under such strict regulations it would make your head spin. They have to monitor against money laundering, illegal activities (drug money and other over the law payments), charity and other scams, among many other things. They have to keep records out their asses to ensure that they are monitoring everything. Their computers monitor ever transaction and scan for various patterns or "flags" that can then cause a person to be "flagged". Some people here may have had that happen if they are larger players and get in or send a lot offshore. If you don't think the P2P companies keep a file for submission to the IRS of SARs "suspicious activity reports" then you haven't been following along. Just because the IRS doesn't come knocking on your door doesn't mean you haven't had SARs submitted on you. Of all the SARs submitted only 2% ever amount to any sort of investigation. The other 98% just sit in a file until audit time or something else you do causes the IRS to look at everything attached to you. Which is when they might pull up your SAR records.

I once sent a transaction offshore using W-U. After sending I called the book and they said the money wasn't available. I called W-U and they said that I was flagged and had to answer a variety of questions. They asked me what business I am in, my income, among many other questions. After the first couple I told them to cancel the transaction and hadn't used them in years. Point of the story, if you think you are anonymous because you use P2P as opposed to a check. You are sorely mistaken.

eyeball · 08-19-11 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by cyberinvestor

I hope everyone here also understands that on top of what John Dough says (which is 100% correct) people act like P2P companies don't keep records. That somehow nobody will ever know about you and your gambling if you use P2P. If you believe you are not on any radar for using P2P then I am sorry to say you are quite mistaken. As money transfer companies M-G and W-U are under such strict regulations it would make your head spin. They have to monitor against money laundering, illegal activities (drug money and other over the law payments), charity and other scams, among many other things. They have to keep records out their asses to ensure that they are monitoring everything. Their computers monitor ever transaction and scan for various patterns or "flags" that can then cause a person to be "flagged". Some people here may have had that happen if they are larger players and get in or send a lot offshore. If you don't think the P2P companies keep a file for submission to the IRS of SARs "suspicious activity reports" then you haven't been following along. Just because the IRS doesn't come knocking on your door doesn't mean you haven't had SARs submitted on you. Of all the SARs submitted only 2% ever amount to any sort of investigation. The other 98% just sit in a file until audit time or something else you do causes the IRS to look at everything attached to you. Which is when they might pull up your SAR records.

I once sent a transaction offshore using W-U. After sending I called the book and they said the money wasn't available. I called W-U and they said that I was flagged and had to answer a variety of questions. They asked me what business I am in, my income, among many other questions. After the first couple I told them to cancel the transaction and hadn't used them in years. Point of the story, if you think you are anonymous because you use P2P as opposed to a check. You are sorely mistaken.

This is a very solid post

08-19-11 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by eyeball

This is a very solid post

Thanks eyeball!

Scooter · 08-19-11 01:46 PM

Grandmaster B = Typical forum know-nothing blowhard.

He also sounds exactly like the other guy who was in here screaming that "You'll never get your money back from offshore", "I told you so" when the Greek closed to the US, etc.
I think his handle was Tree something or Green something?

08-20-11 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by Scooter

Grandmaster B = Typical forum know-nothing blowhard. He also sounds exactly like the other guy who was in here screaming that "You'll never get your money back from offshore", "I told you so" when the Greek closed to the US, etc. I think his handle was Tree something or Green something?

Yep! His name is "TheGreen" and the guy adds nothing to the forum. Everytime there is a thread about the government shutting one down, all he contributes is "the end is near", "get your money out", and a handful of other sound bytes he practically cuts and pastes across the various threads. If there is a thread about a sportsbook complaint then he writes "all books are scams" "I told you that no book can be trusted", etc. He has a massive hard-on against the offshore industry that I would love to know his story. I asked him once and he answered with some fluff like he was a super hero trying to protect people's money. I don't buy that one. Seems to me some book either didn't pay him for something TheGreen did or Tony (5Dimes) ran off with his wife or girlfriend.

Back to the other topic here. Something I just wanted to add is any method you use to get cash from an offshore book is being tracked. Whether check, wire, p2p, direct dep, e-wallets, etc. Every method of payout puts you on "the grid" in some way. Even if a book sent you CASH by FEDEX there is still a record in Fedex of Joe Blow getting a package every week from XXX Processing out of Antigua or Canada or wherever. Fedex has flags just like p2p companies and your local bank. It's meant to monitor smuggling and other trafficking crimes.

The key to this discussion and why nobody on here can report being arrested by the FBI or even local authorities for gambling offshore is simply because there is no law against it. Some people will come on here and say...hey, it's illegal in Washington or whatever state to be a GAMBLER. Yeah, first of all a small minority of states outlaw being a gambler. Second, show me one person prosecuted for being a gambler in all of the US. Doesn't exist. It's not worth law enforcement time and if you ever find a case of someone being charged with being a gambler and breaking that state's law against it then it is usually on top of other charges. So, the point being nobody gets arrested for being a gambler.

The moral of the story is get the payout in whatever method you like and is easiest. At the end of the day everything has a papertrail from the book or processor to you. IT HAS TO OTHERWISE HOW WOULD IT GET TO YOU! The FBI or whomever you are afraid of has many more important things to worry about than GrandmasterB and his $300 or $3,000 check withdrawal from Heritage. Sure you might get flagged by a p2p company, your local bank, whatever for your gambling. You may even get a few SARs filed on you to the IRS. So what? Unless you are laundering money on the side or making hundreds of thousands in gambling and not paying your taxes then you won't notice a thing. These various flags will sit on file forever as 98% of them do. Just make sure your taxes are paid on any NET WINNINGS (which isn't a problem for most gamblers since they are usually on a net loss for the year).

I do understand the whole "Big Brother" concern but it is so over hyped it isn't even funny. Many people on TV or the internet point to concern over wiretap laws by saying "I don't want the government listening in on my conversations"...NEW FLASH....the government doesn't care about your conversations. Since when did you become that important? There are over TWO BILLON, yes 2,000,000,000 phone calls placed just on cell phones every day. Who is going to monitor those? You would need tens of millions of employees just to handle that task of reviewing the calls they tapped every day. Same goes for your offshore gambling. You might get some heat from your local bank (banks are required to monitor for gambling transactions and if they catch you the worst that happens is they end your relationship with them....oh scary!) or flagged by a p2p company but the government is the least of your concerns. So again, I conclude, get the money whatever is easiest for you and relax. The FBI is not going to be busting down your door with the headline in the paper the next day reading..."FBI raids house of man who got $5000 from sports betting offshore."

Brian891 · 08-21-11 12:41 AM

When the Greek left the U.S., they switched U.S. accounts over to heritage. betjam and greek are affiliated. why is this guy acting like this is news?

08-21-11 02:36 AM

nice informative post but me personally Im not worried about the FBI...lol

Im more worried about no pay/slow pay/dont even bother with checks to eliminate the possiblity of a bounce

My #1 thing when picking a book is getting cash in my hand...the same way I send it to them

08-21-11 08:01 AM

Agree, bounces with checks can be an issue. The problem many larger players (say $500 or $1000 per game bettors) is that getting money $800 at a time isn't feasible and then they worry about some tracking with other methods. Some people can only really use checks otherwise they would be on the books payroll for years to clear a balance.

cigar · 08-23-11 02:39 PM

bet jamaicas checks dont bounce

yisman · 08-23-11 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by durito

They already said in the interview with SBR that Greek/BetJM was providing their processors for Heritage. There are BetJM employees working there.

Other than that I don´t see much connection. Greek would never hang some of these lines.

Exactly. Heritage often hangs off-market lines. Not something you'd often see with Greek or BetJamaica.

robertg · 08-23-11 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by HedgeHog

bookmaker and DSI are 110% affiliated too. Some guy named Cris owns both.

lmfao

Microphone · 08-23-11 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by cigar

bet jamaicas checks dont bounce

And they never will.

08-23-11 11:42 PM

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