Outright theft by SBG and Royal confirmed by SBR! New victims appearing daily

SBR_John · 10-21-2007, 01:22 AM

Curious - I changed the title due to this thing mushrooming. I hope you don't mind.

With the recent scams by sportsbook.com and cascade this scam is not getting the attention it desereves. I'm going to stick it to the top for a while.

increasedodds · 10-21-2007, 10:56 AM

SBR, why are these guys not an F? Why is sportsbook not an F?

I used to feel comfortable putting some money at your D books. Not anymore.

Enough of these

heads. They are both Fs and should be ranked as such.

It is one thing to slow pay, make mistakes, lose money, etc.

Once you outright steal you will almost always do it again.

These should absolutely be F books. And yes, thatwould get their attention. Downgrading from D to D- is meaningless.

They should be Fs with a big note on the front page not to play there.

Sean

SBR_John · 10-21-2007, 11:25 AM

They are both D- and we will review that rating.

You really should never be comfortable putting money in a D book. They are D books because they will pull these stunts.

curious · 10-21-2007, 11:40 AM

curious · 10-21-2007, 11:41 AM

SBR_John · 10-21-2007, 11:53 AM

Did the handicapper get robbed too? I think we would like to talk to him or have we?

increasedodds · 10-21-2007, 12:13 PM

John - the problem is a lot of the D books for years were OK. THey would pay almost always, maybe take a few weeks, maybe a whine a bit, but they would pay 99%+ of the time.

We are seeing more of them ok with pure thefts at this point. I think any pure theft where there is no doubt in SBR's mind should automatically become and F.

curious · 10-21-2007, 12:22 PM

Doug · 10-21-2007, 12:48 PM

I know of this Sebastian person. I don't think he can be expected to win at this rate. I think he got HOT.

I see no kind of record-keeping on his site...sebastiansports

JBC77 · 10-21-2007, 01:10 PM

Curious-good luck with these guys man. Hopefully the attention this gets will help put some pressure on them.

The manner in which SBG and Sportsbook.com conduct business absolutely makes me sick.

I wouldn't even call what they do business. It's like an organized crime racket.

curious · 10-21-2007, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug

I know of this Sebastian person. I don't think he can be expected to win at this rate. I think he got HOT.

I see no kind of record-keeping on his site...sebastiansports

What does this have to do with the topic of this thread?

If you want to bash Sebastian, then start your own thread. You don't know anything about Sebastian. All you know is you don't like his web site.

curious · 10-21-2007, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug

I know of this Sebastian person. I don't think he can be expected to win at this rate. I think he got HOT.

I see no kind of record-keeping on his site...sebastiansports

You know nothing about Sebastian. When you wrote to me your big complaint is that you don't like his website. You know nothing about his track record.

Doug · 10-21-2007, 01:56 PM

I've listened to him on the radio, talked to him on radio.I've met him in person at Rookies Sportsbar.

He used to put his picks out free, then went tout. He doesn't even use lines, he says stuff like "under the total".

There is no record keeping.

He is just a tout, but probably one of the better ones, esp. in football.

He steered you into a bad book for profit. Beware of touts that don't keep records.

curious · 10-21-2007, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug

I've listened to him on the radio, talked to him on radio.I've met him in person at Rookies Sportsbar.

He used to put his picks out free, then went tout. He doesn't even use lines, he says stuff like "under the total".

There is no record keeping.

He is just a tout, but probably one of the better ones, esp. in football.

He steered you into a bad book for profit. Beware of touts that don't keep records.

Well, I get his paid picks every day, he always gives very detailed instructions on what lines he wants you to get and what to do if you can't get them (either bet less or buy the points). Perhaps in his free picks he doesn't give lines, I don't know.

I told you how you could validate your accusations. Get his picks for a month, play them for small wagers every day and see for yourself. You wrote me back saying you were a professional and you didn't like his web site so you would not do that. I don't know what else to tell you except I turned $2000 into $34,000 following his picks from the All Star break till the 4th week of football when my account was frozen.

Doug · 10-21-2007, 02:41 PM

It's a great run for certain, but I question his ability to maintain it.

Would anyone else have more long-term records ( of their own) for Sebastian ?

I know he's been around about 5 years. I'm not a fan of touts, most are losers.

Directing you to a SHIT book should show you something about tout ethics.

You are doing the right thing by getting RX involved, since they advertise there. Your case sounds like absolute theft, I hope you get paid.

curious · 10-21-2007, 02:46 PM