[KateG.]

Yes I'm a lady... I Registered from my houseland, I used internet caffe and my private laptop to placed a bet . few times, and thats a reason GV conefiscated my winnings. I had 671e it is not fair due I used another computer to place a bet GV take my winnings. I'm very disappointed and sad that GV treat their customers like me...so no chance to get back my money?:-( very sad story..:-(

[noyb]

why would you want to bet at an internetcafe in the first place, when you apparently have an internet-connection at home.

using your password in a public pc is risky from a security point of view and, since every double identity bonus scamming person out there who is caught out with same ip claims he or she was logging in from an "internetcafe", it also makes you suspicious to the book. also, it seems to me to be quite a coincedence someone else in the same internetcafe also happened to be a goldvictory-member, which i assume must have happened for your account to get suspended.

i'm sure you are telling the truth and everything, and hope it works out for you, but i can't blame goldvictory being suspicious about it, especially if you are not able to provide any further proof to back up your story.

[APK]

Originally Posted by noyb

why would you want to bet at an internetcafe in the first place, when you apparently have an internet-connection at home.

According to GVstaff2 in a post above you the internetcafe activity is not the issue, so I guess they suspect there might be a Mr. G as well...

[fixxer]

"why would you want to bet at an internetcafe in the first place, when you apparently have an internet-connection at home. "

I will answer for this question - without relating to this case - .

There could be many reasons for this...for example, I have a friend, who only bets from Internet café, because he doesn't want his family, to find out he is betting at bookmakers.

Also - at least here - there are some sportsbetting internet cafés, used for mainly sportsbetting only (also in many other countries in Europe), and the IC. guarantees the safety of your personal informations...so this way a bettor can safely make bets from an IC.

That fact that "multiaccount" cheaters nowadays mainly try to argue with that fact, that they are using an internet café...
.....
I guess this is true. But come on, you can't think, that a usual bettor have any clue about this!?...Many of the bettors never even heard about SBR, using only 1-2 (often low rated) bookmakers, etc....yes, a professional bettor could have heard about this, but you cannot expect an usual user to know this fact....


Good luck in solving this problem too....

Fixxer

[noyb]

Originally Posted by fixxer

I guess this is true. But come on, you can't think, that a usual bettor have any clue about this!?...Many of the bettors never even heard about SBR, using only 1-2 (often low rated) bookmakers, etc....yes, a professional bettor could have heard about this, but you cannot expect an usual user to know this fact....

it was in their faq, and even a casual user could be expected to read the rules of the place he signed up with.

but ok, apart from this, if you switch sides, and look at it from the perspective of the bookmaker and not the bettor. you have all these people with ip's similar to others, claiming: i always bet at an internetcafe, look, here's an id to prove who i am.

a large majority will be lying, creating id after id, taking bonus after bonus and move on to the next account. if a bookmaker should not be allowed to act on matching ip's , what can he still do to protect himself?

anyway, apk was right this case is apparently not about the internetcafe, but about something else, so this entire discussion might be irrelevant.

[fixxer]

As I wrote, my post was NOT about this case....I just answered for a few things you wrote.

...simply, it IS possible for somebody to bet from an internet café, and not to be a bonus hunter/cheater, just a honest bettor...actually, I was only betting from an internet café for more than a month 2 years ago, during I moved to another flat, and I had some issue with the net provider, which took a few weeks to solve...I just say, that if someone plays from an internet café - this fact alone only means nothing. Nor "pro", nor "contra".

Yes, it can, and it must be expected from a user to read the FAQ and rules. (though many "newbie" bettors forget about it)
Yes, there are many "ID-after-ID-creating" bonus hunters.
Yes, a bookie has to protect their own interests...BUT they have to take care, to not to "shoot at" anybody suspicious without clear evidences...as this wouldn't bring good reputation for the bookmaker (just as the case of Admiralbet, abt. 5 years ago...)....and NO, this is STILL not about GV....as you wrote, and GvStaff wrote, there is possibly something other behind this case

[noyb]

Originally Posted by fixxer

BUT they have to take care, to not to "shoot at" anybody suspicious without clear evidences...

ok, but what kind of evidence should the bookmaker have to rightfully close an account. say: you have a customer, who has the same ip as another customer. you confront him and he says: i play at an internetcafe, the other guy must also play there.

then what? what more evidence is the book supposed to deliver? the book can't prove 100% certain the bettor is lying, and the bettor can't prove to the book he is telling the truth.

[HeeeHAWWWW]

Difficult for a book - they offer bonuses, and a flood of fake ID people try doing the same offer ten, twenty times until they get caught, then complain on SBR when they got their money confiscated.

What level of certainty should they have to take action? To have any level of effectiveness against the scammers, it's going to have to be balance of probabilities rather than proof.

[KateG.]

I registered from my home ip. I used ÍC only few times in city where I work and I could only bet in IC in these days, rest of them in my home,weekends usually. due fact I place a bet in ÍC I lost my money because someone there logged in in gv also.. I dont know how can I proof my identity and fact I'm a honest player. I can send all document scans, credit cards, bank statement, id, bills .everything what gv want to be convince I'm clear..

[KateG.]

gv rules said we can't open account in internet caffe, and it is evidence for multiple account. guys ! I AGREE I registered and placed a bets at my home from my OWN ip, only few times when I wanted to bet something and in that time I was in another city I used IC to placed a bet . and due this gv took my winnings . it's unfair. I did not registered from IC. but they don't care:-(

[APK]

Kate, did you actually read the reply the Goldvictory staff member posted above you?

The fact that you every now and then place a bet from an Internet cafe is NOT the issue.

I hope he will post here again to try and clarify the matter.

[TruckerJoe]

Originally Posted by HeeeHAWWWW

Difficult for a book - they offer bonuses, and a flood of fake ID people try doing the same offer ten, twenty times until they get caught, then complain on SBR when they got their money confiscated.

What level of certainty should they have to take action? To have any level of effectiveness against the scammers, it's going to have to be balance of probabilities rather than proof.

But that's just not fair against honest players such as myself and some of the earlier posters on this thread. There must be more effective ways of catching people than their ip address. For example, IE Snare?

[noyb]

Originally Posted by TruckerJoe

But that's just not fair against honest players such as myself and some of the earlier posters on this thread. There must be more effective ways of catching people than their ip address. For example, IE Snare?

there are a number of threads on bonushunter-websites providing a step-for-step guide how to prevent iesnare working (which isn't that difficult at all). i'm sure the guys who come up with twenty id's, are the same people who read those threads, so that will problably do very little good.
ofcourse, same ip is also not that difficult to dodge, but it still seems to me the most effective way of detecting fraud. i'm no expert, but i don't see any other more effective ways.

[fixxer]

Those who can avoid IE Snare, can easily avoid the IP problem...there are many ways to cheat this (I know a few things about computers, as this was my previous job - informatician -)...."professional bonus hunters" , - not the amateur ones - are very hard to catch for the bookies...

But it would seem a little unjust for me, if somebody opens an account from a "never used" IP, and than a few times plays from an IP , which was used by another account a few hours - days ago, and this leads to losing all his balance...

...tho GVStaff wrote, that multiple events have to occur for an account to be called a multi acc, not just this "once" story....

...as GVStaff wrote, this case about Kate is about something else...

[APK]

Originally Posted by TruckerJoe

But that's just not fair against honest players such as myself and some of the earlier posters on this thread. There must be more effective ways of catching people than their ip address. For example, IE Snare?

As far as I remember from reading this thread, and other threads concerning goldvictory, you seem to me to be the only genuine victim of their detection system.

Women gambling / betting, give me a break.
Edit: Okay, in the UK there seem to be a few Bingo-addicts.

Sorry, but I give goldvictory the benefit of the doubt here.
I just hope they will log in and shine their light on the cases that have erupted lately.

If you do a google search on 'goldvictory', threads on SBR are the 2nd hit, so it would be useful for them as well to clear this matter.

And yes, I have an account there as well and I've never had problems with (small) withdrawals.
I've still got money there, but I'm not an active player because their odds are way below average.