[TodaysAction]

This is where we'll be having our 2009-2010 National Hockey League thread.

Everyone is welcome in here until they prove, they don't. Keep the thread clean, meaning we don't and won't bash in here (this thread). If you feel the need to, do it outside of the thread and there's no problem. How things are done here, like M.L.B. will not be fore everyone - no issues or problems with that as everyone needs to find a way that works best for them. Previous success or failure does not mean this year will be like last season.

If you become a regular poster to this thread, I ask that you keep a record, updated before the next days/nights selections, so that others can see how everyone is doing. It doesn't have to be in your siggy but it's easiest when it's their. One does NOT need to list why they are on a team/play if they don't want to. One does not have to use "money" for listing their wagers opting for "units" instead. Either "money" or "units" are fine. Listing of the line and from you got it is optional.

People will prove to be human and as such may make a math error now and then. Contact that person directly and inquire about it in the manner you'd like to be asked if you made a mistake.

Above all, the thread will remain POSITIVE towards others who post in it. Let's have another successful season.

[TodaysAction]

Just something I need for the season.

PHI ...
PIT ...
NJ ...
NYI ...
NYR ...

BOS ...
BUF ...
MON ...
OTT ...
TOR ...

ATL ...
CAR ...
FL ...
TAM ...
WA ...

CHI ...
CBUS ...
DET ...
NASH ...
STL ...

CAL ...
CO ...
EDM ...
MN ...
VAN ...

ANA ...
DAL ...
LA ...
PHX ...
SJ ...

[TodaysAction]

As of 2:00 pm on August 17, 2009.

PHI ... 0-0-0, even ... 0-0-0
PIT ... 0-0-0, even ... 0-0-0
NJ ... 0-0-0, even ... 0-0-0
NYI ... 0-0-0, even ... 0-0-0
NYR ... 0-0-0, even ... 0-0-0

BOS ... 0-0-0, even ... 0-0-0
BUF ... 0-0-0, even ... 0-0-0
MON ... 0-0-0, even ... 0-0-0
OTT ... 0-0-0, even ... 0-0-0
TOR ... 0-0-0, even ... 0-0-0

ATL ... 0-0-0, even ... 0-0-0
CAR ... 0-0-0, even ... 0-0-0
FL ... 0-0-0, even ... 0-0-0
TAM ... 0-0-0, even ... 0-0-0
WA ... 0-0-0, even ... 0-0-0

CHI ... 0-0-0, even ... 0-0-0
CBUS ... 0-0-0, even ... 0-0-0
DET ... 0-0-0, even ... 0-0-0
NASH ... 0-0-0, even ... 0-0-0
STL ... 0-0-0, even ... 0-0-0

CAL ... 0-0-0, even ... 0-0-0
CO ... 0-0-0, even ... 0-0-0
EDM ... 0-0-0, even ... 0-0-0
MN ... 0-0-0, even ... 0-0-0
VAN ... 0-0-0, even ... 0-0-0

ANA ... 0-0-0, even ... 0-0-0
DAL ... 0-0-0, even ... 0-0-0
LA ... 0-0-0, even ... 0-0-0
PHX ... 0-0-0, even ... 0-0-0
SJ ... 0-0-0, even ... 0-0-0

[Leverage]

Good luck TA! I love hockey.

[TodaysAction]

Originally Posted by Leverage

Good luck TA! I love hockey.

Thank you Leverage. As do I.

[MexicanStallion]

Look forward to this thread bringing in this season.

[TodaysAction]

Originally Posted by MexicanStallion

Look forward to this thread bringing in this season.

As am I but, things start slowly but quick at the same time. Soon. Very soon.

[therber2]

TA, smooth sailing to you, and everyone else here. G'Day.

[TodaysAction]

Originally Posted by therber2

TA, smooth sailing to you, and everyone else here. G'Day.

Thank you and looking forward to what you'll be bringing to the rink as well.

[TodaysAction]

As of 1:00 am on August 21, 2009.

PHI ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
PIT ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
NJ ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
NYI ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
NYR ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)

BOS ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
BUF ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
MON ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
OTT ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
TOR ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)

ATL ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
CAR ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
FL ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
TAM ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
WA ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)

CHI ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
CBUS ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
DET ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
NASH ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
STL ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)

CAL ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
CO ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
EDM ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
MN ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
VAN ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)

ANA ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
DAL ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
LA ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
PHX ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
SJ ... 0-0-0, even ...0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)

[therber2]

Did you come up with anything for us while we were doing that RAL TA?

[TodaysAction]

Originally Posted by therber2

Did you come up with anything for us while we were doing that RAL TA?

I did and look forward to posting them along with some other tidbits that were discovered while working the mine.

[therber2]

Originally Posted by TodaysAction

I did and look forward to posting them along with some other tidbits that were discovered while working the mine.

Really looking forward to seeing you in action.

TA, what are your favorite resources to use for stats, and what are you favorite NHL stats to look at? (statfox?, covers?, player stats etc). I know the list is most likely very long (and I know you do collect your own data), but what would you suggest as a good starting point for me? For MLB for example I looked at Cleanup Hitter, statfox, and various sharp bettors' opinions mostly. For stats, we talked about this today in the MLB thread.

Thanks for the help man.

[Marvinj]

Does any1 know how much it cost to get all the games on nhl gamecenter, like a season pass for all the games.

[TodaysAction]

Originally Posted by Marvinj

Does any1 know how much it cost to get all the games on nhl gamecenter, like a season pass for all the games.

Good evening Marvinj,

Cost , let me see if I can find last year's free link for on-line viewing. In the mean time, contact your cable/satellite provider. I'm somewhat because I can pull in a Canadian station that has games often, that plus the other sports based stations I can get most of the games (dish).

[TodaysAction]

Originally Posted by therber2

Really looking forward to seeing you in action.

TA, what are your favorite resources to use for stats, and what are you favorite NHL stats to look at? (statfox?, covers?, player stats etc). I know the list is most likely very long (and I know you do collect your own data), but what would you suggest as a good starting point for me? For MLB for example I looked at Cleanup Hitter, statfox, and various sharp bettors' opinions mostly. For stats, we talked about this today in the MLB thread.

Thanks for the help man.

Let's not disappoint then.

I take the stats I use from the official site for the league (nhl.com) - this way there is ZERO chance of not having the same numbers 'they' (who ever that might be ) do. Absolutely correct, I use the data I personally pull - not my wife's, nor my son's; not that they aren't capable of doing it but it must be 100% accurate everyday. Like M.L.B. lines are made off the most important player in the field (pitcher for diamond games) and the goalie for ice breakers. Obviously a high save percentage is important but don't be 'tricked' thinking a team who's been using a pair of goalies with each at 94% is better than the one with say 90% to 93% - if either of the splitters were good enough on their own, they'd have won the job. Another way to think about it is the team that uses two quarterbacks to survive. Power plays & Penalty killing are also high on my watch list both offensive and defensive (short handed). Days off factor in as well, as do injuries, home ice advantage, road skills (can you win on the road?) and many others that I will not list but from what was, you should have a good starting point. I'd also highly recommend that you watch as many games as you can and pull stats from the official box score and see what the winning & losing teams are doing. There are no short cuts, you have to put the time in. Find those things that work for you in picking winners/losers and use that as your base. Back test it and I don't mean for 1 or 2 seasons - do like the project you helped with in terms of seasons. That should get you started.

[Marvinj]

Originally Posted by TodaysAction

Good evening Marvinj,

Cost , let me see if I can find last year's free link for on-line viewing. In the mean time, contact your cable/satellite provider. I'm somewhat because I can pull in a Canadian station that has games often, that plus the other sports based stations I can get most of the games (dish).

The thing is that i live in sweden and they do show the games here but only 1 or 2 games a night , and the streams are often of bad quality. Sometimes (rarely) on atdhe they show with very good.

[TodaysAction]

Originally Posted by Marvinj

The thing is that i live in sweden and they do show the games here but only 1 or 2 games a night , and the streams are often of bad quality. Sometimes (rarely) on atdhe they show with very good.

Good evening Marvinj,

That's the link (atdhe) I was looking for - I was on page 11 from last year's thread going post/page at a time looking for it. Contact your satellite provider would most likely be your next option.

[TodaysAction]

Originally Posted by therber2

Really looking forward to seeing you in action.

TA, what are your favorite resources to use for stats, and what are you favorite NHL stats to look at? (statfox?, covers?, player stats etc). I know the list is most likely very long (and I know you do collect your own data), but what would you suggest as a good starting point for me? For MLB for example I looked at Cleanup Hitter, statfox, and various sharp bettors' opinions mostly. For stats, we talked about this today in the MLB thread.

Thanks for the help man.

Here's some more: "Each person has to make a "formula" that accomplishes the task at hand. Different people use different information and at different rates (in terms of percentages).

Here are some of the basic things I look at for each game:

depth chart: sounds simple enough but if the 1st line LW and 2nd line C are out for the game, your team will not be as strong

player stats: average time played, shots taken, shots on goal, their +/- rating, penalty minutes, motivational factor (contract year, playing against former team first few times, etc), how they fare verses the opponent and goalie, injury status, and others

goalie stats: home/road record, save percentage, average goals allowed, goalie verses vs opponent, how they do in overtime & shoot-outs and others

Watch as many games as you can - record them if you can't see it "now" and pay attention to what the commentators are saying. I know most times they flap their trap but now and then they hand out a tidbit for an upcoming game.

Put them all together and you'll find a way that works for you.

There are other factors but this should get you (and others) pointed in the right direction. Good luck the remainder of the season. " ~ TA 01-13-09 NHL Forum ~

[Marvinj]

TA, I found it, just cost 120 dollars for the whole season thats pretty cheap. Thanks for the help thought. Will be talking to you soon when the season starts. Good night.

[TodaysAction]

Originally Posted by Marvinj

The thing is that i live in sweden and they do show the games here but only 1 or 2 games a night , and the streams are often of bad quality. Sometimes (rarely) on atdhe they show with very good.

"to watch all games I use the nhl.com website, its about 20 bucks a month and you can watch all games live as they happen. The delay is minimal between live tv and the stream being about 1-2 seconds so its basically live." ~ kman1420

Here is an on-line site that is good (a & v).

Here's the other site, http://atdhe.net/

[TodaysAction]

Originally Posted by Marvinj

TA, I found it, just cost 120 dollars for the whole season thats pretty cheap. Thanks for the help thought. Will be talking to you soon when the season starts. Good night.

Marvinj,

That's a GREAT price if you ask me. Take, tell them thank you and hope they don't chnge the price mid way through the season.

[TodaysAction]

All selections are based on the formula's process. Here is an overly simplistic overview of it. Each portion of them have a certain weight/percentage. After putting each variable into the works, a number is derived, take that number and put it aside (while doing the other computations), run the final numbers through to get a result, repeat with other team, compare and contrast the results to determine if (any) action, what type and for how much action is for the game.

[therber2]

Originally Posted by TodaysAction

Let's not disappoint then.

I take the stats I use from the official site for the league (nhl.com) - this way there is ZERO chance of not having the same numbers 'they' (who ever that might be ) do. Absolutely correct, I use the data I personally pull - not my wife's, nor my son's; not that they aren't capable of doing it but it must be 100% accurate everyday. Like M.L.B. lines are made off the most important player in the field (pitcher for diamond games) and the goalie for ice breakers. Obviously a high save percentage is important but don't be 'tricked' thinking a team who's been using a pair of goalies with each at 94% is better than the one with say 90% to 93% - if either of the splitters were good enough on their own, they'd have won the job. Another way to think about it is the team that uses two quarterbacks to survive. Power plays & Penalty killing are also high on my watch list both offensive and defensive (short handed). Days off factor in as well, as do injuries, home ice advantage, road skills (can you win on the road?) and many others that I will not list but from what was, you should have a good starting point. I'd also highly recommend that you watch as many games as you can and pull stats from the official box score and see what the winning & losing teams are doing. There are no short cuts, you have to put the time in. Find those things that work for you in picking winners/losers and use that as your base. Back test it and I don't mean for 1 or 2 seasons - do like the project you helped with in terms of seasons. That should get you started.

Originally Posted by TodaysAction

Here's some more: "Each person has to make a "formula" that accomplishes the task at hand. Different people use different information and at different rates (in terms of percentages).

Here are some of the basic things I look at for each game:

depth chart: sounds simple enough but if the 1st line LW and 2nd line C are out for the game, your team will not be as strong

player stats: average time played, shots taken, shots on goal, their +/- rating, penalty minutes, motivational factor (contract year, playing against former team first few times, etc), how they fare verses the opponent and goalie, injury status, and others

goalie stats: home/road record, save percentage, average goals allowed, goalie verses vs opponent, how they do in overtime & shoot-outs and others

Watch as many games as you can - record them if you can't see it "now" and pay attention to what the commentators are saying. I know most times they flap their trap but now and then they hand out a tidbit for an upcoming game.

Put them all together and you'll find a way that works for you.

There are other factors but this should get you (and others) pointed in the right direction. Good luck the remainder of the season. " ~ TA 01-13-09 NHL Forum ~

Originally Posted by TodaysAction

"to watch all games I use the nhl.com website, its about 20 bucks a month and you can watch all games live as they happen. The delay is minimal between live tv and the stream being about 1-2 seconds so its basically live." ~ kman1420

Here is an on-line site that is good (a & v).

Here's the other site, http://atdhe.net/

There it iss! TA, I might be paper playing the first month or so. Wouldn't make sense for me to stick my head in right off the bat. Got another question, and this has to do with something I was doing in MLB:

You said this: "Each person has to make a "formula" that accomplishes the task at hand.

**Absolutely correct there. For MLB, I'd have criteria that I personally found to have importance of a scale 1-10. 7-10 would be situations based on backtracking studies; ones that have a very high rate of success. If I had reason to believe the play wouldn't hit for example, a moderately bad bullpen WHIP or a bad win after loss vis versa; I'd subtract, and vis versa again. Something around 10 would be about a .5 unit play, and then I'd work it up or down from there. And no emotions sir; except from the players.

How do you determine unit size?

And for the TV uplink brutha.

[TodaysAction]

Originally Posted by therber2

There it iss! TA, I might be paper playing the first month or so. Wouldn't make sense for me to stick my head in right off the bat. Got another question, and this has to do with something I was doing in MLB:

You said this: "Each person has to make a "formula" that accomplishes the task at hand.

**Absolutely correct there. For MLB, I'd have criteria that I personally found to have importance of a scale 1-10. 7-10 would be situations based on backtracking studies; ones that have a very high rate of success. If I had reason to believe the play wouldn't hit for example, a moderately bad bullpen WHIP or a bad win after loss vis versa; I'd subtract, and vis versa again. Something around 10 would be about a .5 unit play, and then I'd work it up or down from there. And no emotions sir; except from the players.

How do you determine unit size?

And for the TV uplink brutha.

Formula/system/process/your term determines a/the teams total which is checked against who they play. The difference is taken to a chart that indicates the amount.

You're welcome. You needs to see as many games as you can.

[Marvinj]

TA how did it go for you last season?

[TodaysAction]

Originally Posted by Marvinj

TA how did it go for you last season?

Good morning Marvinj,

Short and sweet answer, cash positive. From the past ten seasons, it ranked 7th. This season there have been a couple adjustments and I'll be playing a couple more 'things' that have been back tested to my satisfaction. It should be a fun season.

[Marvinj]

Originally Posted by TodaysAction

Good morning Marvinj,

Short and sweet answer, cash positive. From the past ten seasons, it ranked 7th. This season there have been a couple adjustments and I'll be playing a couple more 'things' that have been back tested to my satisfaction. It should be a fun season.

Sweet dude. Hopefully it will be a fun season

[lwantcu]

gonna make big bucks i hope

[POTVINSUX]

Going to be a another thrilling hockey season. Can't wait!

[TodaysAction]

Originally Posted by Marvinj

Sweet dude. Hopefully it will be a fun season

It'll be fun and everyone will contribute.

Originally Posted by lwantcu

gonna make big bucks i hope

Yes, it's nice to make some money from the season, but, to me, it's more important to show you/others how to achieve desired season results (feed a person for a day or teach them to fish type of deal). Trust me we won't win or lose them all.

Originally Posted by POTVINSUX

Going to be a another thrilling hockey season. Can't wait!

Just think, in a couple weeks they'll be lacing `em up. Looking forward toward your daily contribution in here. I plan on having a couple extra things this season in thread for those who are regular posters to it but more on that once we get closer.

[Panekkkk]

Damn all of you starting this hype so early and getting me all wet for hockey. It's still a whole month away ! Looking forward to a great season and thread TA. GL to all

[therber2]

Originally Posted by TodaysAction

Formula/system/process/your term determines a/the teams total which is checked against who they play. The difference is taken to a chart that indicates the amount.

You're welcome. You needs to see as many games as you can.

I am really not sure which sport is my favorite to watch, but did you know TA I used to be the all star goalie and defenseman for my street hockey team when I was a bit younger? Not all that long ago really (still in condition to play again, and would be all for it).

Do you/did you play at all? This is by far my favorite sport to play. Maybe I can pull some thing from my experience.

The family is doing better TA. I should be up and running again within a week I hope. The only thing is....I can't read anything right now. Just ing.

[IcE]

Hello good sir TA ,

First off, let me congratulate you on an astonishing MLB season.
I want to wish you on this upcoming NHL season.

I will most likely become a regular here considering I 'lost' my license and won't be going anywhere for the next 3 or so months.

I'm not sure if i will be picking my own games or be tailing you.

GL and I wish you for this upcoming season.

[Trojan]

As of 1:24 am on Sept 4th, 2009.

PHI ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
PIT ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
NJ ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
NYI ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
NYR ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)

BOS ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
BUF ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
MON ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
OTT ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
TOR ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)

ATL ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
CAR ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
FL ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
TAM ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
WA ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)

CHI ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
CBUS ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
DET ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
NASH ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
STL ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)

CAL ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
CO ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
EDM ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
MN ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
VAN ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)

ANA ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
DAL ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
LA ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
PHX ... 0-0-0, even ... 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)
SJ ... 0-0-0, even ...0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0) - 0 (0.0)