Brazil at 3 to 1

dave11486 · 05-07-2006, 07:38 PM

Would you take Brazil to win the World Cup at 3 to 1?

Dark Horse · 05-07-2006, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dave11486

Would you take Brazil to win the World Cup at 3 to 1?

Only time a non-European country won the World Cup in Europe was in 1958. And that took Pele. Pretty steep slope to climb.

After 1958:
1966 (England), 1974 (Germany), 1982 (Spain), 1990 (Italy), 1998 (France). Brazil only reached the final once (and that took penalty kicks in the semis against Holland).

Three out of five times the home team won. I believe the home team is too weak this time, which opens the door to the second 'home' team: Naranja Mechanica...

FWIW, in 1982 everybody thought Brazil - with Socrates - would win it all. Not even close.

dave11486 · 05-07-2006, 10:05 PM

Thanks for your opinion DH. I love watching soccer, but I just don't get enough exposure to it. I thought Brazil was close to a sure pick, but history says that this one isn't going to be easy for them.

adriano · 05-07-2006, 11:03 PM

yes, i would. Ancient history doesn't matter this time, and Brazil has the talent, maybe the best talent in history, so Pele teams not so steep to emulate. I have more on this in the Welcome to Soccer forum thread.

Dark Horse · 05-08-2006, 09:15 AM

My angle towards these futures is that of a trader, moving in and out of positions. Buy low, sell high.

Check out the values under 'World Cup Outright Winner' at Tradesports.com. They will stay up, and change, during the tournament.

Brazil would have to win the entire tournament to quadruple in value. Even if Brazil reached the final they wouldn't triple in value. Compare that to Holland or Italy.

natrass · 05-09-2006, 05:19 PM

Or England (or ... the argies)

Baphomet · 05-25-2006, 12:55 PM

Brazil had a great team and was the favorite at France 98.
Still, they didn't win.
I agree with DH, European WC's are won by europeans.
My favorite is Germany.

Jonathan · 05-31-2006, 06:58 PM

Brazil is going to win this one

Dark Horse · 05-31-2006, 10:24 PM

Brazil has about a 50% chance of running into Italy in the 2nd round. That could turn into a painful repeat of 1982, when Brazil was THE tournament favorite, beaten by Italy (not a serious contender, but the later world champs).

I will be very surprised if Brazil manages to come up with the right mix of players. And I don't expect an overly 'hungry' squad either. Without any of those two, the world championship will remain a distant dream.

mad · 06-01-2006, 03:54 AM

Anyone know of and/or feel like providing a breakdown of each team. Strengths/weaknesses, recent form etc...

Baphomet · 06-01-2006, 03:04 PM

The first round of matches will give a clearer perspective of each team. For now, we've only watched friendly ones, and they are like bluffing in poker you know, not their real bet.
Like Germany 2 - Japan 2, when last week it was Germany 7 - Luxembourg 0.

VivaBarca · 06-02-2006, 07:43 AM

Brazil or England will take down the WC this year. Of course everything can happen, just look at the EC where lousy Greece won 2 years ago, but I doubt something like that will happen this year. I believe these two teams are far better than anyone elso in this tournament. Germany has a fair shot with home-adv. butbutbut, they're team is in a different class. I've placed my bets on these two teams, and I would recommend it to anybody else - those are the worlds bets teams right now! No doubt! Maybe brazil hasnt won a european WC in many years, but this team is the strongest in Many decades! Ronalinho is better than any other player the world has ever seen and he will lead the way to victory - if England doesn't surprise us

Dark Horse · 06-02-2006, 10:21 AM

LOL England.

Terris · 06-02-2006, 12:51 PM

Brazil is the big fav this time, there are 2 reasons imo:

1. Ronaldinho

2. There is no other excellent team this time. Argentina not, Italy not (specially after the Juventus scandal), Germany not (defense is a joke), and England is only average too.

+300 is good value for this WC imo.

Baphomet · 06-07-2006, 10:12 AM

Germany is strong enough to win this cup.

Ronaldinho hasn't scored lately on the friendly games.
Germany is playing local.
300.000 euros will given to each player if they win the cup.

Terris · 06-09-2006, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Baphomet

Germany is strong enough to win this cup.

no way...they wont stand a chance against top teams with this defense. Even Costa Rica scored 2 goals...

The 4 german goals mean nothing either, 2 lucky shots + CR defense doesnt have international class as everyone was able to see, lol.

Baphomet · 06-10-2006, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Terris

The 4 german goals mean nothing either, 2 lucky shots + CR defense doesnt have international class as everyone was able to see, lol.

Lahm's and Frings' goals were top class, maybe the best two goals for now.

Porras (CR goalkeeper) did great, remember that CR only had to shoots, and both were goals, Germany had about 10.
CR is no favorite, of course, but I don't think our defense sucks. What we don't have is a clear offense, and another Wanchope to back up.

I agree Germany's defense looks weak, but Brazil's even weaker. Lahm, Podolski, Frings, Ballack they are all goal machines, they kick the ball incredibly on targert and strong enough to beat any goalkeeper.