[tullamore21]

Real challenge this game. very difficult to predict.

i just wanna remind that in Euro 2004 the two teams fixed their game in a 2:2 result, not even a draw, coz that was the only way to pass both, through the group stage and leave the Italians eliminated. So there is PAST.

On the other hand there is their last meeting in Copenghagen which never ended...
I do not know which is their relations this time. I just know that the two countries cooperate outside sports and they are more than "friends" generally.

Sweden wants the win to keep distance from Portugal. The draw is not enough coz they will need to score many goals against Albania last game.This could happen too...

I think Portugal will score as much as they can in the two coming games in front of their fans.Portugal is the third in this group and the unluckiest ever, they have not won a home game yet(0-2-1). Portugal is the best team, but the bad luck, the stupid manager and a naive approach of the past games brought them in this situation.

Denmark needs 3 points to qualify. They are facing Hungary (Hungary visititing Portugal this Saturday) in their last fixture, so they will face a team without
incentive...

1st Scenario
Denmark loses and after that win Hungary and qualify
that is the best for Sweden too. 2 victories and 2ndplace.
Portugal out.

2nd Scenario
Denmark-Sweden Draw. That gives the ticket to Denmark whataever happens and keeps Swedish hope for the 2nd place, by winning the last easy game and beating Portugal at the goal average( if Portugal wins the last two).

3rd Scenario
Denmark wins and knocks down swedish hope of qualification.

i think the 1st scenario more likely to happen, but didn't decide yet.
I m gonna post any info i recieve till the kick off.

the thing is if we see a game in or out the field.
then it is easier to pick.

Denmark 18
Sweden 15
Portugal 13
Hungary 13

Any thoughts?

[Hybris]

No its not fixed, belive me Denmark wants to win this one but I think they are a bit offensive (4-3-3) and they cant keep that up in 90 mins so take Under 2.5 and Sweden DnB. (I´m Swedish btw ) Correct score 0-1 Sweden scored in the 78th minute..

[TurkzZ]

even that 2-2 wasnt fixed in my oppinion, i doubt this will be

[LinWin]

It's not true that they fixed the result of the 2004 game.
Also, it's not true that they are more than friends..
Both teams will want to win this.

I'm danish so I do have some knowledge of this :-)

[FooFighters]

fixed? lol

[Smogs]

The draw definitely holds the value call, from a situational standpoint

[Hybris]

Originally Posted by FooFighters

fixed? lol

Just mad Italians that dont want to blame their team so they seek out something else to blame..

[tullamore21]

Originally Posted by LinWin

It's not true that they fixed the result of the 2004 game.
Also, it's not true that they are more than friends..
Both teams will want to win this.

I'm danish so I do have some knowledge of this :-)

If you say that the 2004 game was not fixed, then you just didn' t so that game, you might didn't watch that competition too. it makes me sicl when i hear this side talking of a clear result... come on guys, everybody knew that. Italy was angry, but you have to admit that Trapatoni didn't wanted further research of that game, so they left the competition without complaining.

you are danish and you cannot admit that thing, m8? sorry to hear that, we talk about football, i am Greek but i know that the Greeks were more than lucky that year and won the tournament (Athens '04 was coming)... understand what i m saying, right?

and dont tell me that you are not cooperating in a socio-economic...

[LinWin]

Tullamore, in this country we don't fix games. The game in 2004 ended 2-2 with
both sides playing attacking football. How do you fix such a game ? They all agreed
beforehand on 2 goals each ? Come on now.. Is that how you do it in Greece ? :-)

[InThisMoment]

Seems a bit different scenario this time around with neither team guaranteed of anything based on the points. Obviously neither team can lay down and a draw doesn't guarantee them anything based on goal differential.

The kickoff is 45 minutes before the Portugal-Hungary game as well so they will not have that info.

The one I would watch for is the Portugal-Malta game at the end. Assuming Portugal is sitting on 16 points, and quite possibly Sweden at 16 as well if they draw, then it comes down to goal differential.

Malta is already pretty bad and seeing how small a country they are the powerful Portuguese federations could make some "arrangements", cough cough, to see that they win by a pretty wide margin (enough to make the difference in the tiebreaker).

Of course all of this is moot if Sweden wins and/or Portugal loses/draws.

Then again, Hungary still controls their own destiny as well.

[tullamore21]

Originally Posted by LinWin

Tullamore, in this country we don't fix games. The game in 2004 ended 2-2 with
both sides playing attacking football. How do you fix such a game ? They all agreed
beforehand on 2 goals each ? Come on now.. Is that how you do it in Greece ? :-)

so you say it was a devilish coincidence
Fisrt of all these things happen here in Greece, these things happen in Italy, as i know, these things happen everywhere.
Have you just land earth my friend?
(from Wikipedia)
Prior to the June 22, 2004-game, the group C standings were as shown in the table to the right. Simultaneously with the game, Bulgaria faced Italy.
With the tiebreaker after points being the matches between the tied teams, and Sweden playing 1-1 and Denmark 0-0 with Italy, a 2-2 tie or higher would send both Sweden and Denmark through to the quarter finals, putting both Denmark and Sweden at five points, and leaving Italy with one goal from the tied matches versus Denmark's two and Sweden's three, regardless of the Italian side's efforts. In any other case - a non-draw or a draw with fewer than four goals between the Scandinavian sides, Italy would qualify with a victory over Bulgaria.
After a 28th-minute-opener by Jon Dahl Tomasson, Henrik Larsson equalised on a penalty shortly after the break. Tomasson brought Denmark one up again in the 66th minute, but just minutes before the final whistle Mattias Jonson equalised for Sweden to make up the final score of 2-2.
The Italian side, meanwhile, had beaten Bulgaria by 2-1 on a goal in the fourth minute of stoppage time, which would have sent them through, had Denmark and Sweden not drawn. This caused an uproar within the Italian team, with goalkeeper Gianluigi Buffon and Italian football federation president Franco Carraro both accusing the Danish and Swedish team for match fixing.[1] However then-Italian manager Giovanni Trapattoni said that he nor the federation would protest against the result. UEFA did not investigate the case.

[tullamore21]

Originally Posted by InThisMoment

Seems a bit different scenario this time around with neither team guaranteed of anything based on the points. Obviously neither team can lay down and a draw doesn't guarantee them anything based on goal differential.

The kickoff is 45 minutes before the Portugal-Hungary game as well so they will not have that info.

The one I would watch for is the Portugal-Malta game at the end. Assuming Portugal is sitting on 16 points, and quite possibly Sweden at 16 as well if they draw, then it comes down to goal differential.

Malta is already pretty bad and seeing how small a country they are the powerful Portuguese federations could make some "arrangements", cough cough, to see that they win by a pretty wide margin (enough to make the difference in the tiebreaker).

Of course all of this is moot if Sweden wins and/or Portugal loses/draws.

Then again, Hungary still controls their own destiny as well.

well Hungary has no luck to proceed and my analysis is on Portugal 2 wins and not only victories, scoring many goals. This is the spot i start thinking...

[tullamore21]

Well the matter goes somewhere else and we are here to discuss about the comin fixture, so i just wanted to say that these two countries fixed a game some years before, so they can do it again. The thing is that none of them is secured with any result. So the "fixing" might be only bad faith perceptions. I am a one of those who believe that they will finish that game satisfied, whatever that means.
it is only my opinion, i do not dislike scandinavians, i love Sweden, i have spent more than 5 summers in Hallonberg and Solna, in Stockholm.

[Dark Horse]

I really don't see the friends angle. If anything this would be a Scandinavian rivalry. Qualifying for the world cup is the only thing that matters to Denmark here. They'll be focused on winning. Things may change during the game. If the game is tied late then both teams may settle for the draw. So if I was going to bet the draw, I would at least wait until halftime.

[cro]

draw

[Smogs]

Originally Posted by cro

draw

Yup