Service Plays - READ this before posting

SBR Lou · 06-10-10 03:31 PM

Hi guys,

For legal reasons must update our forum policy for Service Plays.

What is allowed: [Capper Name] + play & odds.

What is not allowed. *amount, write ups, $ amount, unit amount etc.

You can rank the plays, or say so and so really likes this play or that play, but please do not repost copyrighted written material.

You are not allowed to attempt to distribute SBR points in exchange for any posts made in the Service Plays forum. Sending points, nominating posts, or other actions determined to circumvent SBRforum policy may cause both the sender and receiver to lose SBRpoints access.

elguapomark · 06-10-10 04:08 PM

so if we follow this rules, we are clear of any wrong doing?

starfire · 06-10-10 04:26 PM

all man. no units sux.

ps
no units defeats the prepose of a service plays.

elguapomark · 06-10-10 04:28 PM

we should be able to just put the highest plays on the top of list and do a little work to find out the units.

elguapomark · 06-10-10 04:29 PM

can we put " capper yankees -120 highest bet : would that be legal?

KonaZonie · 06-10-10 04:29 PM

Am I the only one who doesn't understand how this helps anything?

Deuce II · 06-10-10 04:33 PM

well u should be able to put down the oppisite of what the cappers use or just us a different word for example

cappers name- 5 coins on yanks -120.....instead of using the word units....as long its not the same as there are putting out on the web-site u will be fine....trust me

06-10-10 04:35 PM

Good idea !

Deuce II · 06-10-10 04:35 PM

I don't understand y this place has so many problems and rules any other forums puts what ever they want when ever they want

SBR Lou · 06-10-10 04:50 PM

Please do not attempt to circumvent this policy by making use of code words as they will be removed.

06-10-10 05:06 PM

The purpose guys of not listing the ratings is then if there are three Ben Burns plays that day (usually there are 4-6) then you see his plays but you don't know which is his Game of the Week or 10*. Thereby for those that REALLY want to bet his top play, you need to purchase it to find out which of his six games is the big one.

Gee · 06-10-10 05:07 PM

edit: nevermind. rant.

beanbag · 06-10-10 05:08 PM

Deuce II · 06-10-10 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Lou

Please do not attempt to circumvent this policy by making use of code words as they will be removed.

So this is ur doing and saying its a copyright issue is a lie....Otherwise u would let guys use code words or what ever...I don't care but the purpose of these forums is to talk and chatter and help out other members....U guys see it different as every week there is a new policy....All they guys behind the scenes here always take stuff away from members and u forget they are the reason u guys are here...U guys should just sit the back and enjoy what u have here....not sure if u have a lawyer who tells u these things but if so he sucks and needs to go back to school

KonaZonie · 06-10-10 05:38 PM

OK, so it helps the cappers that employ a ratings scale somewhat. If I was a capping service, it would be the pick I wanted protected, not the rating I gave it. And what about the ones who don't have a ratings system? One of the biggest complaintants in the recent past has been Baseball Prophet and/or his subscribers regarding the posting of his plays. He uses a POD style, so this does not help him at all. Nor does it help the many other cappers who employ such a style.

tbaer · 06-10-10 05:42 PM

just shut the service plays forum down if the plays cant be listed accurately. Just listing plays randomly will do more harm than good. JMT

Spungalo · 06-10-10 05:46 PM

See you all at the other forums! Bye bye SBR

RodneyJones · 06-10-10 05:53 PM

guess you could always post on the private zone

Deuce II · 06-10-10 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by Spungalo

See you all at the other forums! Bye bye SBR

Honestly i think this is what they are trying to do....I don't understand because what Lou is trying to sell to us is such a crock of

Deuce II · 06-10-10 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by tbaer

just shut the service plays forum down if the plays cant be listed accurately. Just listing plays randomly will do more harm than good. JMT

06-10-10 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by KonaZonie

OK, so it helps the cappers that employ a ratings scale somewhat. If I was a capping service, it would be the pick I wanted protected, not the rating I gave it. And what about the ones who don't have a ratings system? One of the biggest complaintants in the recent past has been Baseball Prophet and/or his subscribers regarding the posting of his plays. He uses a POD style, so this does not help him at all. Nor does it help the many other cappers who employ such a style.

I am sure not every handicapper complained. I noticed a lot of the posts edited to remove ratings today and on Ben Burn's it said "removed by handicapper written request". So perhaps to just avoid any further issues they made it a blanket rule.

Also, the copyrighting of a selection is a very gray area in law since a copyright is intended to protect an original work. Saying Milwaukee Brewers is not an original work (someone already made up that name) but saying I have a 5* on Milwaukee Brewers is original as you added the 5* rating to make it your own. Trust me guys, it is a VERY GRAY area and I challenge anyone to find a legal suit where this was upheld because I can tell you there are none. Regardless, the rating adds the "creativity" by the creator. Now theoretically each selection would need to be copyrighted for the law to apply HOWEVER I am sure SBR just rather not deal with it any longer. A lot of people unfamiliar with the law (or those that don't want to be bothered fighting against something) just figure it is easier to change in the face of a threat than to fight it. I get that. It's unfortunate for what we will lose in the forums though but such is life!

06-10-10 06:00 PM

I am posting this as someone with a legal background.

I want to make a few key points.

1. A handicapper's plays are NOT copyrighted. His write-ups might be, but his plays are NOT.

2. A handicapper's unit designations are NOT copyrighted. Hypothetically, if a handicapper has a 2* play and a poster writes something like "2x", there is zero liability.

Most of us have accounts at the other place. Until this point, I was pro-SBR. This is just ridiculous. It'd just be nice to know the real reason they're making this policy.

Deuce II · 06-10-10 06:02 PM

That was exactly my point in my first post marshall....They must think we are all idiots around here

elguapomark · 06-10-10 06:02 PM

so what gives? can you get sued or what? i was threaten and i stopped posting picks my friends were giving me. what is the deal, can i post without the (values)? can i post just the cappers name and pick and would that make me criminal?

06-10-10 06:03 PM

By the way when I said...Now theoretically each selection would need to be copyrighted for the law to apply.

What I mean is every day to have copyright law hold up for you, you need to file your 5* Milwaukee Brewers play with the US copyright office for you to have a valid copyright on it. A lot of handicappers or even website owners put a copyright mark on their site but that copyright mark (unless a new copyright is filed every time they either put up a selection or change their website) is about as useful as me putting a Dora The Explorer picture on my website and saying Don't Copy Me or Dora will get you!

A lot of these handicappers try to use the copyright excuse but it's a lot of BS. There is no handicapper that would take the time to file a copyright on their selections. First because by the time they were granted the copyright it would be three months or more later and second it wouldn't be worth the filing fees even if it could be done daily. Anyway, enough of my yapping.

06-10-10 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by elguapomark

so what gives? can you get sued or what? i was threaten and i stopped posting picks my friends were giving me. what is the deal, can i post without the (values)? can i post just the cappers name and pick and would that make me criminal?

My friend - none of this makes you a criminal.

06-10-10 06:05 PM

Elguapo - There is nothing that you are doing that would even come close to any sort of civil law breach. It is definitely not criminal in ANY way either. You are fine.

elguapomark · 06-10-10 06:06 PM

marshall if i had your email i would send you a pretty little email that has been floating around the internet that i saw that list SBR at the end of a lawsuit

06-10-10 06:07 PM

Besides the other place, are there any other good places to go to exchange picks?

jdmarshall · 06-10-10 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by marshall bovee

I am posting this as someone with a legal background.

I want to make a few key points.

1. A handicapper's plays are NOT copyrighted. His write-ups might be, but his plays are NOT.

2. A handicapper's unit designations are NOT copyrighted. Hypothetically, if a handicapper has a 2* play and a poster writes something like "2x", there is zero liability.

Most of us have accounts at the other place. Until this point, I was pro-SBR. This is just ridiculous. It'd just be nice to know the real reason they're making this policy.

What are touts going to say in court.
They suggest how much a person should wager on sports betting which is illegal in most states

I had a battle with a couple of those clowns last year.
I guess you can either do that, shut down your service section...Or
Make so many rules it will just go away on it's own

06-10-10 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by elguapomark

marshall if i had your email i would send you a pretty little email that has been floating around the internet that i saw that list SBR at the end of a lawsuit

PM me the frivolous lawsuit. I'd love to look at it and laugh.

06-10-10 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by elguapomark

marshall if i had your email i would send you a pretty little email that has been floating around the internet that i saw that list SBR at the end of a lawsuit

On Marshall's behalf I am not sure what you are referencing but I can say people can sue over anything...literally!

Whether you have an actual case is a different story. Many lawsuits are either dismissed when the defending party files their Answer with the court (and moves for dismissal) and many others simply fade away because they don't have the merits. Often people will sue even if they don't have a case just to scare people to action. Which I can tell you works more often than not especially to newbies to the legal world.

elguapomark · 06-10-10 06:13 PM

cant PM i'm banned from p.m check your SBR BOARD

06-10-10 06:15 PM

Sophmore....

By the way...SBR is HOSTED abroad so us law is not applicable.

elguapomark · 06-10-10 06:16 PM

EITHEr way it scared my friend from giving me plays so i no longer post them

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