[lsusports]

My words are highlighted in BLUE


AS POSTED BY SBR LOU (An SBR Administrator)

http://forum.sbrforum.com/service-pl...e-posting.html (post #1)


Hi guys,

For legal reasons must update our forum policy for Service Plays.

What is allowed: [Capper Name] + play & odds.

What is not allowed. *amount, write ups, $ amount, unit amount etc.

You can rank the plays, or say so and so really likes this play or that play, but please do not repost copyrighted written material.

You are not allowed to attempt to distribute SBR points in exchange for any posts made in the Service Plays forum. Sending points, nominating posts, or other actions determined to circumvent SBRforum policy may cause both the sender and receiver to lose SBRpoints access.

IT SPECIFICALLY STATES I CAN RANK THE PLAYS

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(post #10 he states)

Please do not attempt to circumvent this policy by making use of code words as they will be removed.


Fair enough to me.

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(post #52 by Bill Dozer ) an SBR Administrator.

You guys can rank the plays, add color, sizes, or say so and so really likes this play or that play but taking their "content" as in quoting the third party and what they say about the play is similar to copying an article by an author. Some cappers like their picks reposted and others do not but we don't want to take away poster's freedom of speech because people who use their sites repeat opinions.

You won't find a medium to large forum out there that lets people copy pick material word for word. I don't think there is a bigger group of posters sharing picks out there either.

No word for word copying...simple enough. Also we CAN rank the plays, add color, ect....it's right there.

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Other than that you also can't post any links to sites, you can't give points for post - neither of which i'm concerned about. I only care about posting plays and rating them myself as small, medium, and large.

It is NOT specified that i can not do that. It does however state I CAN RANK the play. Some of my 1st posts had the ratings in them - big screw up on my part and i got a couple warnings from Sheri. I corrected the problem and thought i was doing what is considered acceptable. Small, Medium, Large, Huge seems to be acceptable words. Or so i thought.

My editing rights and PM rights were removed a few days back so i had to send in a request via email to the SBR help desk. I have not received a response. Today i was issued yet another violation warning from Blondie - Reason: No play sizes allowed.

Now i'm not trying to blame Sheri, Blondie, SBR Lou, or anyone else...they're only full-filling their obligations to management - But if i CAN rate the plays i posted what is wrong with small, medium, and large? And why did i lose my editing and PM rights?


Hopefully i wont getted banned/deleted/or terminated for this post. It is not meant as an argument tool. I will also copy/paste this in the Service Plays - READ THIS BEFORE POSTING thread.

[shari91]

My words are highlighted in BLUE


AS POSTED BY SBR LOU (An SBR Administrator)

http://forum.sbrforum.com/service-pl...e-posting.html (post #1)


Hi guys,

For legal reasons must update our forum policy for Service Plays.

What is allowed: [Capper Name] + play & odds.

What is not allowed. *amount, write ups, $ amount, unit amount etc.

You can rank the plays, or say so and so really likes this play or that play, but please do not repost copyrighted written material.

You are not allowed to attempt to distribute SBR points in exchange for any posts made in the Service Plays forum. Sending points, nominating posts, or other actions determined to circumvent SBRforum policy may cause both the sender and receiver to lose SBRpoints access.

IT SPECIFICALLY STATES I CAN RANK THE PLAYS

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(post #10 he states)

Please do not attempt to circumvent this policy by making use of code words as they will be removed.


Fair enough to me.

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(post #52 by Bill Dozer ) an SBR Administrator.

You guys can rank the plays, add color, sizes, or say so and so really likes this play or that play but taking their "content" as in quoting the third party and what they say about the play is similar to copying an article by an author. Some cappers like their picks reposted and others do not but we don't want to take away poster's freedom of speech because people who use their sites repeat opinions.

You won't find a medium to large forum out there that lets people copy pick material word for word. I don't think there is a bigger group of posters sharing picks out there either.

No word for word copying...simple enough. Also we CAN rank the plays, add color, ect....it's right there.

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Other than that you also can't post any links to sites, you can't give points for post - neither of which i'm concerned about. I only care about posting plays and rating them myself as small, medium, and large.

It is NOT specified that i can not do that. It does however state I CAN RANK the play. Some of my 1st posts had the ratings in them - big screw up on my part and i got a couple warnings from Sheri. I corrected the problem and thought i was doing what is considered acceptable. Small, Medium, Large, Huge seems to be acceptable words. Or so i thought.

My editing rights and PM rights were removed a few days back so i had to send in a request via email to the SBR help desk. I have not received a response. Today i was issued yet another violation warning from Blondie - Reason: No play sizes allowed.

Now i'm not trying to blame Sheri, Blondie, SBR Lou, or anyone else...they're only full-filling their obligations to management - But if i CAN rate the plays i posted what is wrong with small, medium, and large? And why did i lose my editing and PM rights?


Hopefully i wont getted banned/deleted/or terminated for this post. It is not meant as an argument tool. I will also copy/paste this in the Service Plays - READ THIS BEFORE POSTING thread.

This was clarified today with Admin: The words small, medium and large are not to be used when listing a play as it's too comparable to listing a unit size. The same goes with GOY, GOM, etc... Basically anything other than Lakers +3 cannot be listed when posting plays because there's no way we want to run into the same grief of a handicapper crying foul.

My suggestion would be to follow what Bill said and use colour... I received verification that this was ok to do.

I'll also ask for clarification in the morning when it comes to using asterisks to designate system bets. For tonight, I'm not going to touch those posts but those may have to go as well. Again - a colour based method will most likely be the best way around that.

ETA: I've also asked about using a handicapper's names for his plays ie Assassin, Mutilator or whatever else it is they use.

[lsusports]

Thanks Shari

[ks1137en]

Shari, or any admins reading this, that was dirty what you did to Salvag. He wasn't violating any of the TOC's unless you consider winning one of those...

[ks1137en]

Grow some balls for once, SBR

[Blackroc78]

[Winner10]

80x42...hmmmm, you gonna go far Indian

[Enfuego]

What exactly is the reason we can't post play ratings/sizes? Can a mod answer this question?

It's been established many times over the only thing copyrighted by a tout is the analysis and breakdown of their plays.

What gives?

[Hurls]

What exactly is the reason we can't post play ratings/sizes? Can a mod answer this question?

It's been established many times over the only thing copyrighted by a tout is the analysis and breakdown of their plays.

What gives?

i have asked them this question before and they say they are being sued by a bunch of cappers and we cant post amounts because of the pending lawsuit, dont know why every other forum can. this is what i heard though

[20Four7]

What Hurls said is the official explanation. however most other sites all allow that.

[Enfuego]

i have asked them this question before and they say they are being sued by a bunch of cappers and we cant post amounts because of the pending lawsuit, dont know why every other forum can. this is what i heard though

But you can put a goofy color code down that says the exact same thing?

[Hurls]

But you can put a goofy color code down that says the exact same thing?

well from what I know everyone was trying to do other things such "beers" and other codes and we werent allowed to do that either so the color code came up because it doesnt have an exact amount to it, no number basically

[Enfuego]

I wish a mod would explain why they think a play rating is copyrighted. Do they even know?

The text? Yes I understand that but the play ratings are not and never will be subject to copyright laws. That's ludicrous.

[Hurls]

I wish a mod would explain why they think a play rating is copyrighted. Do they even know?

The text? Yes I understand that but the play ratings are not and never will be subject to copyright laws. That's ludicrous.

i hear you, this is what everyone was saying and they basically just said thats the way it is and thats that. If you want send one of them a PM and I am sure they will give you a response, you will most likely be unsatisfied with the answer though.

[alta]

But you can put a goofy color code down that says the exact same thing?

It's like being in Kindergarten again...

[alta]

What Hurls said is the official explanation. however most other sites all allow that.

That's a good reason for everyone to also post picks with units in the other forums as well.
These games we have to play for units is a joke...

[Enfuego]

What's also interesting is I've been on certain forums since 2005. And since 2005, those forums have service plays posted with ratings listed etc. Don't you think if it was illegal just one of those sites would've been sued by now with the tout winning the lawsuit over the last six years?

[Hurls]

What's also interesting is I've been on certain forums since 2005. And since 2005, those forums have service plays posted with ratings listed etc. Don't you think if it was illegal just one of those sites would've been sued by now with the tout winning the lawsuit over the last six years?

you would think so, I just dont see any tout winning a lawsuit for saying people are stealing their info, most of the touts suck and dont hit 50%, if i was on a jury i would say " you want money from these people who bet money, which is illegal in 49 states and not only that you lost money for them" are you f'n serious? I will say though there is actually a lawsuit against SBR i looked it up once i didnt get much info but it does exist.

[Guru77]

I'm just glad we can see what plays are being put out there. Begger can't be a chooser. Plus most cappers sites will indicate what the units are. I don't mind the few min to dig it up.

[Randanky23]

this site is great...thank you whoever made it

[Randanky23]

its great that you can look on here for peoples plays then go to their sites in order to find the units they rank them

[BetAdvisor]

To come from the other side of this, we have clients that are paying for selections and to see them reposted on a forum like this affects business, you may think you're doing no harm but you are affecting the odds available to clients who have paid for the service.

Also because of this you reduce the number of clients a tipster picks up so you are affecting their livelihood as well, I know what the typical answer to this is going to be but you have to remember that these are people working for a living the same as you and for you to give away the results of their work is exactly the same as them going into your office, taking stuff off your desk and giving it away for free to any interested party.

[BetAdvisor]

BetAdvisor - I'll get a shlackin from others on this....but I agree with you. I'm an investor. Not a bettor, but an investor...in sports. Learning the hard way over the years, I use 'quality' information services. Why? I don't have the time, nor the passion. I have the desire, but not the passion. I grew up playing the stock markets...and apply the same approach to sports. With that said, I have my few handicapper services I use, stuck by them, and have being doing well...very well. Haven't used your Bet Ad. services, but if I find the need I may take a stab. With that said...probably 90% of the players in the market are garbage....with no surprise why this industry has a bad taste. But I know from personal experience, the quality syndicates and services, they work as my investment services for sports. And with that said....if I'm paying good dollars for their services, why the #$#$^$ would I share them anywhere? I know these guys spend ALOT of time invested into research, data, etc. to provide the best plays. They don't all work out...but they do better than most...and that's all it takes to do well from investing in sports.

Thanks for the back-up, to be honest, with the delay in picks being given away on here, the lines often move and the odds certainly do so those using the re-posted tips are getting the short end of the stick.

Not to mention the fact that anyone caught sharing the selections risks getting banned and losing the money they've paid for a subscription.

[lsusports]

Thanks for the back-up, to be honest, with the delay in picks being given away on here, the lines often move and the odds certainly do so those using the re-posted tips are getting the short end of the stick.

Not to mention the fact that anyone caught sharing the selections risks getting banned and losing the money they've paid for a subscription.

What about the "exposure factor". If the capper does well people will flock to their site and purchase the products so they dont have to come on here and listen to all the drama. I can name a dozen guys who don't come on here anymore for the exact reason.

Yes, it works.

[BetAdvisor]

If a tipster is doing well, people will talk about it, if they're doing badly, people will talk about it, doesn't mean that the work done by the tipsters should be given away for nothing on here.

Where is the tipsters reward?

[lsusports]

If a tipster is doing well, people will talk about it, if they're doing badly, people will talk about it, doesn't mean that the work done by the tipsters should be given away for nothing on here.

Where is the tipsters reward?

I'm sorry, i thought i explained that in my post.

[BetAdvisor]

Talk, not share information they have agreed to keep confidential.

[megwa2001]

what will happen if tips r posted without cappers name just to avoid blacklisting

[Blackroc78]

I don't understand y this place has so many problems and rules any other forums puts what ever they want when ever they want

Maybe there buddies with the touts? the highest rank plays seem to have losing records! I know Blondie doesnt mind racial slurs but won't stand for rating after the games are done.

[iceman02]

I dont understand. How can you get into legal trouble when sports betting is illigal in the states? thats like calling the cops because your coke dealer store your money.

[WILLIE]

To come from the other side of this, we have clients that are paying for selections and to see them reposted on a forum like this affects business, you may think you're doing no harm but you are affecting the odds available to clients who have paid for the service.

Also because of this you reduce the number of clients a tipster picks up so you are affecting their livelihood as well, I know what the typical answer to this is going to be but you have to remember that these are people working for a living the same as you and for you to give away the results of their work is exactly the same as them going into your office, taking stuff off your desk and giving it away for free to any interested party.

Thanks for the back-up, to be honest, with the delay in picks being given away on here, the lines often move and the odds certainly do so those using the re-posted tips are getting the short end of the stick.

Not to mention the fact that anyone caught sharing the selections risks getting banned and losing the money they've paid for a subscription.

If a tipster is doing well, people will talk about it, if they're doing badly, people will talk about it, doesn't mean that the work done by the tipsters should be given away for nothing on here.

Where is the tipsters reward?

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I agree wholehearted with the sentiments expressed here. I would hate to know that someone came into my office and took copies of my paperwork and past it on to my competitors and customers for FREE!! Kinda kills the American Dream, doesn't it??