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    Default BB Follow/Fade Stats and Update

    Here are the stats thus far. I am using numbers from sports insights and have moved some "plays" around because of the change in the number of bets...

    >70%, >9500 ... 4-16 (80%)
    >80%, >9500 ... 0-6. (100%)
    <70%, >9500 ... 16-7 (69.6%)
    <70%, <9500 ... 16-13 (55.2%)
    >70%, <9500 ... 9-3. (75%)**

    **-this includes 3 wins and 2 losses with between 9000-9500 bets (including st marys from Sat) that were previously in the fade catagory up top.

    I am not going to paint the games we lost under the system as wins but for tracking purposes it is important to be truthful on the results. Those numbers above represent the results. You can all do what you want but based on these numbers here is how I will play them ...

    >80,>9500 fade for 3*
    >72,>9500 fade for 2*
    <68,>9500 follow for 1*
    >72,<9500 follow for 1*

    had i bet this way, in the 3+ weeks i have been tracking i would be +46.9 units (give or take a little extra juice because i always buy off the hook in basketball)

    NBA and totals are a little different. NBA is 6-5-2. The weird thing is that games with over 15000 bets are 3-0-2 when followed, no matter what the percentage. This goes against the public perception ideal that started this whole thing as these are the games with the most action. With such a small sample size, this may be an anomaly--so at the least more tracking is required.

    BB has only tweeted 4 totals thus far in the short time I have been tracking him. Those are 4-0. I mentioned to bhunter at the outset that I thought we could likely fade the overs and follow the unders he tweets. I based this on the fact that the public never bets the under--so it must be a syndicate play. I now think this may apply to all totals: because of the unlikihood of lots of action on totals, if BB posts that "squares" are on a total it is likely a syndicate play or tout play that carries some clout. I think this needs to be followed more closely but the rarity of these plays seems to support this idea.

    Also, remember, during the week, bill tweets his square plays close to the tip of the 700 est games so you have to be quick with the analysis (I think VR tweets them earlier on Mon and when BB is out of the office).

    I am going to continue to track both insights and pregame but I am wary of some of pregame's numbers as they have been a little whacky AND they will not release from whom those %s come (insights is open about their infrmation and from where it comes). Additionally, I think the 20 minute delay on insights may also act as a buffer (even though I use the final information for tracking purposes). Again, do what you want but for these reasons I am going to base my plays on insights numbers.

    Happy hunting

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    Thanks for the work you've put into this, I really appreciate it.

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    Great stuff, nailbiter last night, but the salukis came through!

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    Close to 7k bets on Texas game tonight. 63% on Texas, wonder what Bill will give us tonight.

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    not that many games tonight, so you have to figure the bigger name teams should have plenty of action. Early action seems to be on Uconn and Texas as the bigger games. Should have plenty of bets in these if Bill gives something.

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    Just saw this stat.

    Texas is 0-7 last 7 games as a favorite. Good be a real good spot to fade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jscol View Post
    Just saw this stat.

    Texas is 0-7 last 7 games as a favorite. Good be a real good spot to fade.
    I woud be real surprised if bb tweets today most likely we get info from vr. Texas looks like a good fade according to that stat, but we see what we get.

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    skannedog.. sorry if you already answered this question.. but what have you noticed using this forumla.. but taking BB out of the forumla??
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    i forgot to put this in the stats recap last night...

    for those of you who inquired about a "floor" to the follow bets: according to the numbers, percentages under 60% (over 9500 bets) are 3-2. two ways to look at that number -- if it stays at 60% we will be ok. if it is going to hover around .500 we will have to stay away or get eaten by juice.

    also, with the BB squares fades/plays that i post from this point on, i am going to post what i was tracking when i stumbled onto BB's square plays. basically, this will be for tracking/ confirmation purposes, but after the weekend this little gem had (12-3-2 SAT, 9-0-1 SUN) it is time that we start tracking it officially.

    right now, 9 plays to follow tonight... i am going to do a "fun-time" parlay so you can all root for me. of course, after that weekend, it might go o-fer riht now, the 9 games would pay 3061 to 10. just for fun and to show you guys i believe in the numbers

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    i have been tracking these numbers for two years now. until i started following BB on twitter, i was chasing my tail. despite the number of bets that pregame and insights show, BB knows REAL public action (or thinks he does, thus the follows). his info is key.

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    when it gets closer to tip i will post them as "tracking" ... this will work (in theory) for all sports, not just college hoops -- the 9-0-1 yesterday included NBA, NCAB and NHL

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    yeah i was looking at nhl.. but in nhl i don't see anything close to 9500 bets.. which means for the most part just follow the money??
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    this thing i have been tracking is not associated with BB at all nor with those percentages. it's something i have tinkering with for awhile and finally made some headway into breaking it down. for those stats guys out there, it is based on the relationship between the line of the game and the over/under as measued through several stats theories, including the standard deviation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmarinouofm View Post
    yeah i was looking at nhl.. but in nhl i don't see anything close to 9500 bets.. which means for the most part just follow the money??
    LOL nhl really? i didnt know they still played that

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    actually been doing this for a few months, this how I weed out my non plays...typically Root is on this type of play as well...tonight he he has Ok State and so do I!

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    this should be interesting, as the system says (most likely as uconn gets over 9.5k) that we play uconn, while vr has made his pick on louisville

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    Bookie Bill or VR hasn't tweeted the teams the book needs.

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    ok... i am not sure what those clowns are doing. but the image of all of us clicking refresh on twitter makes me laugh.

    here are the plays i am tracking tonight...

    W Mich
    E Mich
    N Ill
    Was Wizards
    Sac Kings
    Sabres

    i changed the plays above because i was trying to catch VR's text and i didnt want to miss the plays (there weren't any). these are the official tracks -- the others have line movement that screwed up the relationships i was working with.

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    no, based on the sole NBA stats, if you were going to do anything you should play BOS, not fade it... NBA with >15000 bets was 3-0 with the action. i think that number of bets and that action is more than just squares.

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    ok i know for this we have the BB, VR factor and I really wish we had some of that info right now. but on my own little thing, I am putting this into play just by the #'s with a 60% floor and a RedZone between 68-72, which basically tilts fade but will be a decision on my part. By these #'s I am already in on the Wizards and Conneticut for 1 unit. All NBA is 1 unit until I get a better fix on how the system works with that. I am waiting out Texas and the Lakers, both are looking like RedZone plays but I will wait as long as I can. Heat and Blazers look like the only others that could meet bet total and 60+ action on a side. But even without BB or VR I gotta imagine they would be fading Texas, hope we hear something. And where does that info come from? Twitter? what is the account name?

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    How Boston is at 82 percent with 19,000 bets you said anything over 15,000 and 75 percent or higher fade so Washington would be the play!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hugh4310 View Post
    How Boston is at 82 percent with 19,000 bets you said anything over 15,000 and 75 percent or higher fade so Washington would be the play!
    that is for CBB only!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skanedogg View Post
    no, based on the sole NBA stats, if you were going to do anything you should play BOS, not fade it... NBA with >15000 bets was 3-0 with the action. i think that number of bets and that action is more than just squares.
    skane, well its too late now I'm in on the Wiz, but you need to post the #'s for when the bets reach a point where we go the other way. is it 15k? so its over 9.5k up to what? i guess that is why the numbers on NBA and NFL are so different so you almost have to have different #'s in the system.

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    No he said 75 percent and higher in NBA with over 15,000 bets

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    Quote Originally Posted by press coverage View Post
    that is for CBB only!
    but wouldn't that logic apply to CBB too, if its 19k bets wouldn't it be more than squares on anything.

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    NBA was flat 15000 bets, follow the action.

    the numbers i have are:

    20,124 79% Win
    18541 79% Win
    17008 67% Push
    15734 72% Win
    15156 89% Push

    those are follows. so fading boston @
    17691 82% is not the right play based on this system, regardless of the outcome.

    let me say this again... there is no NBA version of this system. the only headway i can make of it is what i wrote above.

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    vegas runner tweeted Texas yes or no? thanks

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