Ferringo NCAAB 1/29/10 IVY GOY

1st and Ten · 01-29-10 11:04 AM

Columbia +8.5 4 units
1st half +4.5 1/2 units

Teaser Columbia and Valapraiso 1 units

ratnerjl · 01-29-10 11:07 AM

Let continue it on from yesterday!

1st and Ten · 01-29-10 11:08 AM

Thanks Rat...bol today

THE PROFIT · 01-29-10 11:09 AM

Last night in yesterdays thread Robert said he was gonna have a IL GOY today I was hoping it would be Columbia. A sharp I know yesterday said that was the only play he was making today

1st and Ten · 01-29-10 11:09 AM

And before anyone asks for the write-up....Ferringo has send numerous emails to the site requesting they be removed. Willie Bee has made it clear it won't be tolerated (as least from this poster).

Ball Picker · 01-29-10 11:13 AM

Wow. Columbia, huh?

01-29-10 11:15 AM

Let's do this!!!

Ball Picker · 01-29-10 11:19 AM

Harvard: Lost to UConn by 6, Boston College by 7, Georgetown by 16 (all away games). They are battle tested and battle tested on the road, even. I'm surprised to see Columbia as the play. Then again, I see 86% of the public on Harvard (only 1,000 or so wagers placed) and the line is still at 8. Good luck. I suggest some 180 Proof for tonight.

cmatth1326 · 01-29-10 11:21 AM

Harvard is a good team, but who am I to say.

Ball Picker · 01-29-10 11:25 AM

Harvard is a good team. Without reading his write up, I'm going to have to think he's banking on a let down play on the road and the fact that the public is riding Harvard HARD right now, with no line movement.

01-29-10 11:39 AM

For the record, I never e-mailed anyone saying anything about the writeups. My boss may have, but not I. If the mods asked for them to not be posted I'm sure it's in they way of limiting their liability. But that's neither here nor there.

Here are my thoughts:

Note: This is our Ivy League Game of the Year. It’s a little smaller than our normal GOTY pick. But then again, it IS the Ivy League.

You want to talk about Look Ahead Games, how about this one for Harvard. The Crimson takes on Cornell tomorrow in Ithaca in a game that will give one of them the early inside track to the Ivy League title. That game means all that much more considering that with no conference tourney the regular season champ secures the league’s automatic berth. On top of that, this Cornell-Harvard game is being billed as one of the biggest games in Ivy League history.

But before Harvard can play that game they have to go on the road against one of the “worst” teams in the Ivy League. Now, Columbia is tied for last place in the Ivy with an 0-2 record. The reason they are 0-2? They have played Cornell twice. And two blowout losses have really painted an unclear picture of who this team is. Most prognosticators had Columbia as the No. 4 team in the Ivy, which means that while they are not great they are no pushover and certainly not the worst team in the league. But, again, their value is actually high because of blowout losses to the best team in the conference. This team has lost four straight games, however their No. 2 and No. 3 scorers – their point guard and their best forward, respectively – missed multiple games and weeks of practice. Both are healthy and ready to run this week. With a full squad, Columbia was only down nine in The Dome at Syracuse earlier in the year and played with the Orange for about 25 minutes.

Conversely, Harvard is off two wins over Dartmouth – the most recent of which was only a four-point win at Dartmouth after beating them by 29 in the previous meeting – which really is the worst team in the conference. That has inflated their own ego. They have some nice performances in their nonconference schedule but I still think that they could be in trouble tonight.

Four of Harvard’s top five scorers are freshmen or sophomores and their average experience of just 1.20 years makes them one of the least experienced teams in college basketball (No. 310 of 342). That tells me that they are completely susceptible to The Look Ahead Game. Also, when you consider that Harvard has to play Cornell on such a quick turnaround (Friday at Columbia, Saturday at Cornell) you know that means that they had to work on their game plan against Cornell this week. And which do you think the players were more worried about, getting ready for Columbia or their huge game with Cornell?

You can’t overlook the New York vs. Boston angle here, as it doesn’t matter which sport: players from these cities don’t like one another. On top of that, Columbia has had a lot of success against Harvard recently. They have actually won five of the last six meetings and are 4-1 SU in the last five games at Columbia in this series. Columbia is 5-2 ATS in the last seven meetings and other than a 20-point Columbia blowout in 2007 the average margin of the last nine meetings is just 6.7 points. The road team is just 3-7 SU in the last 10.

Another good sign: there isn’t much action on this game but 80 percent of it is on Harvard. Yet the line is dipping. That’s a straight reverse line movement. And on such a small amount of bets (around 400 by my tracking site) that is significant to me.

Finally, Columbia may be the last team that Harvard wants to face for another reason. Columbia is No. 5 in the country in 3-point shooting. They are a team that loves to attack from deep and three of their top four scorers are guards that shoot 54.2, 42.1 and 42.6 percent from 3-point land. If those guys are knocking down shots from the outside then things could get tough for Harvard. The Crimson are a team that wants to pound the ball inside. They are No. 302 in the nation in 3-point shooting and all they do is pound it on the interior. That will make them more consistent. But if Columbia is getting 3 and Harvard is getting 2 then this becomes an issue. Columbia has been playing well on the defensive end lately and they have three big men in their top six players (four averaging 13 minutes or more) so they have some bodies to throw at Harvard. They won’t stop the Crimson on the inside but they should compete.

Harvard may just win by a blowout here and that’s the only way I don’t see these points holding up. But if they get up big early I think the Crimson start to look ahead even more while Columbia can fire its way back into it. If Columbia gets hot early then they could get some confidence and really put the squeeze on. There is a sellout crowd and I think that the home crowd will be a little fired up to face a team knocking on the door of the Top 25. (Harvard has received a vote in three straight weeks.)

Regardless, considering the incredible look ahead angle and the fact that this is a boatload of points for a young conference road favorite to lay I will roll the dice here and go with the Lions to not only cover but to threaten the outright victory while Tommy Amaker gives us another vintage Amaker collapse. If we lose, I’ll be right back against Harvard on Saturday in Cornell, as well as playing Columbia against the Crimson on Feb. 20 – the day after Harvard hosts Cornell and a great letdown/revenge situation. So it’s either a win today or setting ourselves up for some scores down the road. I’ll take a win today, 64-58, Harvard.

Ball Picker · 01-29-10 11:44 AM

How in the hell did the Harvard AD screw up their schedule so badly?! A back to back day situation? That is just dumb.

01-29-10 11:49 AM

The AD's don't make the league schedule. Also, the Ivy has done that (Friday-Saturday games) for all teams for years and years.

My guess is that it saves them loads of money on travel.

dulm1204 · 01-29-10 11:56 AM

he robert ferringo .... why are u in the forum talking? arent u mad that peeps are posting ur picks for free here? ur not gonna do something about it? ur bizz is not gonna do well if everybody get ur plays for free? what am i missing here?

respond back if u can

Ball Picker · 01-29-10 11:56 AM

Wow. Guess I don't pay close enough attention the Ivy League to know that's how they roll. I know 19 year old kids can go and go and go, but if some games goes a few OTs or a guy tweaks an ankle, they are screwed for the 2nd game of a back to back for the most part. In this situation, definitely could be a huge let down. A coach really does have to game plan for the more pivotal game in this situation and just hope his kids' overall talent gets the win on night one.

dulm, are you new? He has posted in here for awhile. There is really nothing a tout can do in this situation. Once a person purchases somebody's picks, they can do whatever they want with them. Just like if you buy my car....once it's yours, I can't stop you from sharing it with your friends because you own it. I suppose he figures he might as well make the best of it.

01-29-10 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by dulm1204

he robert ferringo .... why are u in the forum talking? arent u mad that peeps are posting ur picks for free here? ur not gonna do something about it? ur bizz is not gonna do well if everybody get ur plays for free? what am i missing here?

respond back if u can

You've been here long enough to know how to use the search button. Look up old threads and stop asking that age old question. In other words to start stirring up old shit... K Thanks

01-29-10 12:11 PM

"Once a person purchases somebody's picks, they can do whatever they want with them. Just like if you buy my car....once it's yours, I can't stop you from sharing it with your friends because you own it."

That is not accurate. (You're 0-for-2!) I'm not going to go into it because the mods will come in and I don't want to waste half of my day arguing with someone who isn't a judge or have any legal background. But the bottom line is that posting picks in forums is a violation of our (and I'm sure other cappers') terms of service. It is also theft of Intellectual Property. The site has limited liability, but recently government action has shifted the focus to holding the people who post things on sites accountable. But right now it's just not a fight that anyone (the sites, the cappers, etc.) really want to get into because it's just a pain in the ass for everyone. And since our little subculture (gambling) is more or less frowned upon by The Mainstream I just don't think people want to deal with it. But that day is coming.

Again, the mods are going to say it's OK, the people posting are going to say it's OK, the people being stolen from are going to say it's not OK and the law and a judge would say something more definitive.

But you are right that I'm trying to make the best of it.

01-29-10 12:12 PM

Thank you Superman. You are correct, I don't want to go into it either. I just don't want people passing off bad information as "fact".

Glitch · 01-29-10 12:21 PM

respectable ferringo.

great now i feel like an asshole for reading it hahaah

Ball Picker · 01-29-10 12:24 PM

So that would make me 0-1. Where is my 2nd miss? *joking* -- I would actually like to see somebody challenge that in a court because I don't see how it would hold up. Does this mean it's illegal to makes copies of a part of a text book and hand them out to students for reading and/or studying purposes? Once I purchase that text book, it's mine. I guess if their is a 'terms of service' that you agree to when you purchase the plays, I can understand that as a violation, however. --- Ok, maybe I just talked/typed myself through that one.

RodneyJones · 01-29-10 12:27 PM

Wow what a dumb question dulm, clearly just trying to cause problems. Good luck with Columbia RF

01-29-10 12:33 PM

0-2, I was kidding. About the Ivy thing. Just joking.

"Once I purchase that text book, it's mine."

Again, that's not true. For instance, if you copied the textbook and posted it online for download that's very, very illegal. It's piracy.

There are very few things that you buy that you actually "own". That includes things like your house, your cell phone service, etc. People may think that just because they paid for them they own them and can do whatever they want with them but that's just not the case. It sucks, but it's reality.

01-29-10 12:35 PM

Rodney, thanks again for the support.

Just hoping Columbia shoots the ball well. If they are at 35 percent or above I think we are going to cash and could win outright. I'm sick of not going after spots, and I think that this is one. Obviously not as strong as the BC play this week, but this one has some really strong elements and a good number (8 is always an underdog number) so I think it's worth the gamble. May win, may lose, but I think it's a really good situation.

01-29-10 12:38 PM

By "35 percent" I meant from deep. Not from the field. Need to hang around 40 or so to have a shot.

Gotta put the ball in the hole. It's a simple game. I hope.

Ball Picker · 01-29-10 12:39 PM

So to avoid piracy, you just change a word here or there, right? There are loopholes to just about everything. Like you said, this stuff happens all the time but it is a waste to fight it, as it would probably cost a person more money and time than they would want to spend and for what it would be worth.

dulm1204 · 01-29-10 12:46 PM

jeezzeee. dam .... just i a question ... wow... peeps get so mad

julio_cat · 01-29-10 12:48 PM

Robert Ferringo:
thanks for the write up. Just a comment about the Ivy League.
I have the personal opinion the league plays ALWAYS Friday and Saturday, so the students going into the game don't loss study time.
I visited Cornell, and they are serious about their Hoops, but they have also very high academic standards. I know a couple of teachers in there, and the students really need to be hardworkers.

Ball Picker · 01-29-10 12:48 PM

One more question like that, and you can expect this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgOXf...eature=related

(been looking for a reason to post that)

vanitas · 01-29-10 12:55 PM

"But the bottom line is that posting picks in forums is a violation of our (and I'm sure other cappers') terms of service. It is also theft of Intellectual Property."

- i'll wade in just for giggles, as i have experience in this area.

the TOS solution is obviously the best, figure out who is posting and cut them off.

the problem is there is no legal claim you can assert for said "theft of Intellectual Property." there is no remedy available to you, as this type of intellectual property is (unfortunately for handicappers) not protected, so posters may continue to post selections with impunity. at least i'd be hard-pressed to come up with the cause of action you'd assert. i could probably come up with something if i really tried, but it wouldn't stick in court.

while you are correct that there are cases that stand for the proposition that a website operator may not be liable for posts on a message board (this may also be codified to a certain extent by the communications decency act at 47 U.S.C. 230, though i cannot recall whether this only applies to ISPs or also websites, been a long time since i looked into section 230), knowingly allowing posters to post copyrighted information -- your analysis, for instance -- could well open the website operator up to liability, which is of course why this site and others go to some lengths to stop the dissemination of analysis -- there is no copyright claim in posting "knicks -3.5," but of course there would be if a subscriber posted the written analysis.

i am not really posting this for RF, but more for posters in case they find it informative. the bottom-line is that while a handicapper may consider it "theft of Intellectual Property" to post their picks, there is no legal remedy avaialble to them, and you are of course free to do it. posting copyrighted work violates the one of the rights of the copyright holder (several of the rights, actually)

anyone reading this, what i post is never legal advice. ;-)

Originally Posted by Robert Ferringo

"Once a person purchases somebody's picks, they can do whatever they want with them. Just like if you buy my car....once it's yours, I can't stop you from sharing it with your friends because you own it."

That is not accurate. (You're 0-for-2!) I'm not going to go into it because the mods will come in and I don't want to waste half of my day arguing with someone who isn't a judge or have any legal background. But the bottom line is that posting picks in forums is a violation of our (and I'm sure other cappers') terms of service. It is also theft of Intellectual Property. The site has limited liability, but recently government action has shifted the focus to holding the people who post things on sites accountable. But right now it's just not a fight that anyone (the sites, the cappers, etc.) really want to get into because it's just a pain in the ass for everyone. And since our little subculture (gambling) is more or less frowned upon by The Mainstream I just don't think people want to deal with it. But that day is coming.

Again, the mods are going to say it's OK, the people posting are going to say it's OK, the people being stolen from are going to say it's not OK and the law and a judge would say something more definitive.

But you are right that I'm trying to make the best of it.

vanitas · 01-29-10 01:00 PM

- that is textbook copyright infringement (pun intended, naturally). you may make what is known as a "fair use" argument, but copying a textbook and distributing to students would undoubtedly result in a colorable copyright infringement claim. Copyright holders receive a bundle of rights, including the right to control 1) reproduction of the work, 2) preparation of derivative works, 3) distribution of copies of the work, 4) public performances of the work and 5) public display of the work. You would be infringing several of the rights.

Originally Posted by Ball Picker

So that would make me 0-1. Where is my 2nd miss? *joking* -- I would actually like to see somebody challenge that in a court because I don't see how it would hold up. Does this mean it's illegal to makes copies of a part of a text book and hand them out to students for reading and/or studying purposes? Once I purchase that text book, it's mine. I guess if their is a 'terms of service' that you agree to when you purchase the plays, I can understand that as a violation, however. --- Ok, maybe I just talked/typed myself through that one.

NicksPicks · 01-29-10 01:20 PM

So today's pick is on harvard? Why did the poster say columbia?

goldengreek · 01-29-10 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by Robert Ferringo

"Once a person purchases somebody's picks, they can do whatever they want with them. Just like if you buy my car....once it's yours, I can't stop you from sharing it with your friends because you own it."

That is not accurate. (You're 0-for-2!) I'm not going to go into it because the mods will come in and I don't want to waste half of my day arguing with someone who isn't a judge or have any legal background. But the bottom line is that posting picks in forums is a violation of our (and I'm sure other cappers') terms of service. It is also theft of Intellectual Property. The site has limited liability, but recently government action has shifted the focus to holding the people who post things on sites accountable. But right now it's just not a fight that anyone (the sites, the cappers, etc.) really want to get into because it's just a pain in the ass for everyone. And since our little subculture (gambling) is more or less frowned upon by The Mainstream I just don't think people want to deal with it. But that day is coming.

Again, the mods are going to say it's OK, the people posting are going to say it's OK, the people being stolen from are going to say it's not OK and the law and a judge would say something more definitive.

But you are right that I'm trying to make the best of it.

BULLSHIT !!!

ROOT WENT TO COURT ABOUT THIS AND WAS LAUGHED OUT OFTHE COURTHOUSE

YOU GUYS GIVE AN OPINION ON PROFESSIONAL AND COLLEGE SPORTS TEAMS

THE NFL HAS A COPYRIGHT ON THE NAMES NY JETS , NEW ORLEANS SAINTS ETC. SAME FOR ALL SPORTS LEAGUES.

FOR SERVICES TO CLAIM COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT YOU WOULDNT BE ABLE TO USE ANY OF THE SPORTS TEAMS NAMES

Intellectual Property ??

THESE ARE YOUR OPINIONS ( WE KNOW WHAT PEOPLE SAY ABOUT OPINIONS) ... GUESSES - YOU ARE NOT DOING RESEARCH ON A CURE FOR CANCER OR BUILDING A CLEAN AIR NUCLEAR POWER PLANT

P.S.
I SEE YOU RAN AWAY FROM THE OTHER THREAD AND MY CHALLENGE FOR A CHARITY CAPPING CONTEST

LUCKY FOR U AS IM A DOCUMENTED( SBR CONTEST ) 20-7 IN COLLEGE HOOPS THIS WEEK

Ball Picker · 01-29-10 01:41 PM

I was going to basically say the same thing as Vanitas and goldengreek but didn't want it to look like I was trying to start another argument. Like said above: People are paying and posting your opinion i.e. "Knicks -3.5" and not your intellectual property, which would be the write ups. This is why write ups are no longer allowed. Like stated in my original post, I'd like to see somebody challenge this as I doubt it would hold up. That being said, I have no knowledge of Wayne Root taking anybody to court.

Goldengreek -- why taunt? Somebody tried to set me up vs. RF and while it would be fun and I have not always gotten along with the guy, it's pretty obvious as to why he wouldn't do it. He sells his picks, so why would he want to give them away in a contest? It's his job. How successful would your business be if they gave their services away for free? Know what I'm sayin'?

goldengreek · 01-29-10 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by ball picker

i was going to basically say the same thing as vanitas and goldengreek but didn't want it to look like i was trying to start another argument. Like said above: People are paying and posting your opinion i.e. "knicks -3.5" and not your intellectual property, which would be the write ups. This is why write ups are no longer allowed. Like stated in my original post, i'd like to see somebody challenge this as i doubt it would hold up. That being said, i have no knowledge of wayne root taking anybody to court.

Goldengreek -- why taunt? Somebody tried to set me up vs. Rf and while it would be fun and i have not always gotten along with the guy, it's pretty obvious as to why he wouldn't do it. He sells his picks, so why would he want to give them away in a contest? It's his job. How successful would your business be if they gave their services away for free? Know what i'm sayin'?

in the contest section the picks are hidden until the games start

no one would see his plays

1st and Ten · 01-29-10 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by Robert Ferringo

"Once a person purchases somebody's picks, they can do whatever they want with them. Just like if you buy my car....once it's yours, I can't stop you from sharing it with your friends because you own it."

That is not accurate. (You're 0-for-2!) I'm not going to go into it because the mods will come in and I don't want to waste half of my day arguing with someone who isn't a judge or have any legal background. But the bottom line is that posting picks in forums is a violation of our (and I'm sure other cappers') terms of service. It is also theft of Intellectual Property. The site has limited liability, but recently government action has shifted the focus to holding the people who post things on sites accountable. But right now it's just not a fight that anyone (the sites, the cappers, etc.) really want to get into because it's just a pain in the ass for everyone. And since our little subculture (gambling) is more or less frowned upon by The Mainstream I just don't think people want to deal with it. But that day is coming.

Again, the mods are going to say it's OK, the people posting are going to say it's OK, the people being stolen from are going to say it's not OK and the law and a judge would say something more definitive.

But you are right that I'm trying to make the best of it.

Come and get me. Would love to see all the subscribers from outside the US from DocSports...Ya know youre selling picks...I guess for entertainment purposes. I recommend Doc gets rid of his listed of recommended sportsbooks and while he is at it refuse business from U.S customers outside of Nevada.

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