Why does everyone fall for the bullshit ??

goldengreek · 01-22-10 07:25 PM

DOC AND FERRINGO CANT HIT A BIG PLAY IF THEIR CHILDENS LIVES WERE ON THE LINE

IM NOT EXCLUDING THE OTHER LOSERS LIKE LANG , SPRIETZER , NESS , BURNS, ETC. ETC,

THESE GUYS ALL LOSE

SERVICE GOY PLAYS LOSE AT A 65 - 70 % CLIP

IF U SEE SOMEONE WITH A GOY BANG THE OTHER SIDE HARD !!!

I TOOK THE OVER IN THE BOSTON GAME BECAUSE OF THE GOY TAG

I HONESTLY DONT WANNA COME OFF LIKE AN ASSHOLE

I REALLY FEEL BAD FOR THE ROOKIES AND THE NAIVE GULLIBLE PPL THAT THROW THEIR MONEY AWAY ON THESE LOSERS WHO DONT KNOW ANYMORE THAN U OR ANYONE ELSE

gl

SOCALSCOTT · 01-22-10 07:35 PM

i agree ...when i was doing my own play`s combined with some good analysis on free play`s i was winning ....as much as i enjoy these forum`s these "top capper play`s " have killed me

thebismarck · 01-22-10 07:45 PM

now that I have my next mortgage payment on the under, any advise on how to recoup. I still have the kids education money

goldengreek · 01-22-10 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by thebismarck

now that i have my next mortgage payment on the under, any advise on how to recoup. I still have the kids education money

1) take new orleans on sunday

2) bet every game i post as a 10* or above

3) anytime a star player is hurt and not playing in the nba take the team with the star player out ( this hits 85 % i swear )

t4_ever · 01-22-10 07:56 PM

DOC already giving me profit = $10k.....in Jan 2010...

Just follow DOC POY --->>>> Portland/boston Under 184 and u shall win

scottel · 01-22-10 08:04 PM

freese and Alexander at sportscapperisland.....free picks are 10-3 last 13 for both....20-6 combined

01-22-10 08:06 PM

follow me as well hitting 70 percent (120 plays)

lacesout · 01-22-10 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by thebismarck

now that I have my next mortgage payment on the under, any advise on how to recoup. I still have the kids education money

thebismark, my advice is to follow most of these posters who rip cappers. They come in threads after games have started with their Super Man capes on letting everyone know that we're stupid for following cappers and we should be following them in their thread that they're hitting 60% or higher.

So many Wayne Root wannabees, post your plays in the right threads and leave the Service Plays section alone.

dise-pa · 01-22-10 08:34 PM

goldengreek your right goy gom all hit 2% horrible at best should only have one big play a year not one a week.......

goldengreek · 01-22-10 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by lacesout

thebismark, my advice is to follow most of these posters who rip cappers. They come in threads after games have started with their Super Man capes on letting everyone know that we're stupid for following cappers and we should be following them in their thread that they're hitting 60% or higher.

So many Wayne Root wannabees, post your plays in the right threads and leave the Service Plays section alone.

YEAH... LETS LEAVE IT ALONE FOR THE SCAMMERS AND THEIVES

DUDE PEOPLE GET BURNED AND DESTROYED WITH THESE SERVICES

AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED MY RECORD SPEAKS FOR ITSELF:

http://www.sbrpicks.com/contest/750/

lacesout · 01-22-10 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by dise-pa

goldengreek your right goy gom all hit 2% horrible at best should only have one big play a year not one a week.......

2%? Is that documented for all services in the industry? So if we fade all GOY's, GOM's etc... we'll hit 98%?

Where's Ashton Kutcher, you and goldengreek are clearly punking us.

lacesout · 01-22-10 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by goldengreek

YEAH... LETS LEAVE IT ALONE FOR THE SCAMMERS AND THEIVES DUDE PEOPLE GET BURNED AND DESTROYED WITH THESE SERVICES AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED MY RECORD SPEAKS FOR ITSELF: http://www.sbrpicks.com/contest/750/

So we should leave the services alone and follow you right?

goldengreek · 01-22-10 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by lacesout

so we should leave the services alone and follow you right?

no... I win and lose like everyone else. People get hot and cold

but i wont bury people

ill hit 55 % for the year and 60-65 % on my big plays

anyway....

This isnt what this thread was about

if these guys knew more than u and i they would be betting their own plays and be rich - not selling them at $ 20 a crack to desperate gullible ppl that dont know any better

goldengreek · 01-22-10 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by lacesout

2%? Is that documented for all services in the industry? So if we fade all goy's, gom's etc... We'll hit 98%?

Where's ashton kutcher, you and goldengreek are clearly punking us.

without over exaggerating i would say " goy " plays lose at a 65 % clip

start a thread and track them

jdmarshall · 01-22-10 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by lacesout

So we should leave the services alone and follow you right?

You should do whatever you feel is right.
Just so you know goldengreek has been posting on multiple forums for years.
He is not just some guy that fell out of the sky recently.
Greek has also been posting service plays for many years as well.
So he has seen a lot of the BS that goes on.
Not to say all pro's are bad. There are a few decent ones.
But you have a lot of them that are just marketing gurus.
They toss out multiple GOYS and fancy titles to bump sales.

This post is not to insult anybody. I also hate to see people get burnt by the BS
Good luck on your plays

lacesout · 01-22-10 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by goldengreek

without over exaggerating i would say " goy " plays lose at a 65 % clip start a thread and track them

Now doesn't that sound like a much more rational post than your first post and much less insulting to everyone?

lacesout · 01-22-10 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by jdmarshall

You should do whatever you feel is right. Just so you know goldengreek has been posting on multiple forums for years. He is not just some guy that fell out of the sky recently. Greek has also been posting service plays for many years as well. So he has seen a lot of the BS that goes on. Not to say all pro's are bad. There are a few decent ones. But you have a lot of them that are just marketing gurus. They toss out multiple GOYS and fancy titles to bump sales. This post is not to insult anybody. I also hate to see people get burnt by the BS Good luck on your plays

I agree with you 100% and wasn't trying to insult GG, his first post written with all caps seems a bit insulting in my opinion. He seemed like he was talking down to "Everyone" for falling for this bullshit.

goldengreek · 01-22-10 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by lacesout

Now doesn't that sound like a much more rational post than your first post and much less insulting to everyone?

I DIDNT POST THE 2% THING

goldengreek · 01-22-10 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by lacesout

i agree with you 100% and wasn't trying to insult gg, his first post written with all caps seems a bit insulting in my opinion. He seemed like he was talking down to "everyone" for falling for this bullshit.

i always type in caps

bad habit

goldengreek · 01-22-10 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by jdmarshall

You should do whatever you feel is right.
Just so you know goldengreek has been posting on multiple forums for years.
He is not just some guy that fell out of the sky recently.
Greek has also been posting service plays for many years as well.
So he has seen a lot of the BS that goes on.
Not to say all pro's are bad. There are a few decent ones.
But you have a lot of them that are just marketing gurus.
They toss out multiple GOYS and fancy titles to bump sales.

This post is not to insult anybody. I also hate to see people get burnt by the BS
Good luck on your plays

WHAT UP GAMER

lacesout · 01-22-10 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by goldengreek

I DIDNT POST THE 2% THING

I know that, I was just saying that post #14 that was not written in all caps sounded much more rational than your lecture in post #1.

01-22-10 09:20 PM

"I HONESTLY DONT WANNA COME OFF LIKE AN ASSHOLE"

We know you can't help it.

You're right, my college hoops picks and and Doc's NBA picks have been "burying people". People playing just $50 per Unit - that's it, not $100, not $1,000, just $50 per Unit - are up about $5,000-$6,000 with our combined picks. If they were playing $100 per Unit they are up over $10,000. That's in about four months, total.

(Oh, and his GOTY play lost because the game went to OT. Hey, a loss is a loss, but a beat is a beat.)

Give it up buddy. You want to rail some of the scammers, liars and thieves out there, go for it. But to call out myself and my employer is a joke, made by some two-bit wannabe clown. It's either rampant jealousy or pure delusion, but I seriously don't understand the beef that people have.

"These guys all lose." I mean, are you shitting me buddy?

Where do you people come from?

01-22-10 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by Robert Ferringo

"I HONESTLY DONT WANNA COME OFF LIKE AN ASSHOLE"

We know you can't help it.

You're right, my college hoops picks and and Doc's NBA picks have been "burying people". People playing just $50 per Unit - that's it, not $100, not $1,000, just $50 per Unit - are up about $5,000-$6,000 with our combined picks. If they were playing $100 per Unit they are up over $10,000. That's in about four months, total.

(Oh, and his GOTY play lost because the game went to OT. Hey, a loss is a loss, but a beat is a beat.)

Give it up buddy. You want to rail some of the scammers, liars and thieves out there, go for it. But to call out myself and my employer is a joke, made by some two-bit wannabe clown. It's either rampant jealousy or pure delusion, but I seriously don't understand the beef that people have.

"These guys all lose." I mean, are you shitting me buddy?

Where do you people come from?

How many units would people have to start with at the beginning of the season to survive the ups and downs? Not trying to be a jerk I am just interested in what kind of ROI you guys are putting up. Thank you.

01-22-10 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by Robert Ferringo

"I HONESTLY DONT WANNA COME OFF LIKE AN ASSHOLE"

We know you can't help it.

You're right, my college hoops picks and and Doc's NBA picks have been "burying people". People playing just $50 per Unit - that's it, not $100, not $1,000, just $50 per Unit - are up about $5,000-$6,000 with our combined picks. If they were playing $100 per Unit they are up over $10,000. That's in about four months, total.

(Oh, and his GOTY play lost because the game went to OT. Hey, a loss is a loss, but a beat is a beat.)

Give it up buddy. You want to rail some of the scammers, liars and thieves out there, go for it. But to call out myself and my employer is a joke, made by some two-bit wannabe clown. It's either rampant jealousy or pure delusion, but I seriously don't understand the beef that people have.

"These guys all lose." I mean, are you shitting me buddy?

Where do you people come from?

I agree with the sentiment, but the game of the week/month/year is a load. It's a marketing ploy, plain and simple. So when touts throw out this GOY nonsense in the hopes of somehow getting someone to buy it, they deserve the scorn when they lose. Doc labeled this a 7 unit play, perhaps you should lecture him about money management.

01-22-10 09:37 PM

And the kicker (sorry, but I'm running a little hot right now):

"but i wont bury people

ill hit 55 % for the year and 60-65 % on my big plays"

Ah, the ol' "don't follow him, follow me!" maneuver. Classic. Just classic. I mean, if you can't trust some nameless, faceless clown in a gambling forum, who can you trust, right?

And this is the best part - and for any newbies that are out there and are listening: if you listen to anyone in the forum talking about "winning percentages" as the end-all, be-all of a good capper you should immediately know that you can't take those people seriously.

Winning percentage (I mean, we have about 1,000 people in here that hit 60 percent of their plays; it's amazing) is the most overrated statistic in gambling. It's about money management and how you rate your plays. I have had 4-9 nights where I made money and 10-3 nights where I broke even. Winning percentage is for tourists and amateurs. I know guys in MLB that win LESS THAN 50 percent of their picks but make money every year because they use chase systems, underdog systems, etc. Ame goes for some college hoops chase systems.

I understand the rationale about flat betting. (For those that don't know, it's the disciplined practice of betting the exact same amount on every single play.) But I don't agree with it. I think that it's a theory and I think it's pie-in-the-sky: often preached but never practiced. All plays are not created equal so all bets shouldn't be equal. And out of 10,000 bettors I would wager that no more than 50 can actually hold firm to flat betting. It doesn't happen.

So, again, anyone that tries to sell you on their "talent" because they think that they can pick 55 percent (again, often preached and rarely performed) shouldn't be taken seriously.

av3206 · 01-22-10 09:42 PM

Amen brother!!!

01-22-10 09:42 PM

I agree that calling something a "Game of the Year" can be seen as a marketing ploy. But the bottom line is this: we grade our plays 1-8 Units. Very, very rarely do any of us find a situation that is worthy of a 6-, 7-, or 8-Unit play. But those situations do exist. (And I'm not going to take the time to look it up, but over the last three years I'm sure my GOTW, GOTM, GOTY winning percentage in MLB and college hoops would be ridiculous - as in "wow, that's a lot of money" ridiculous; not bragging, I'm just saying that top plays are top plays for a reason.) And when they do exist, what else are we supposed to say about them? How are we supposed to let people know that, "Hey, I have something GOOD tonight."

Allen Eastman's 99 System in football is his top plays and that has gone like 27-11 this year and like 28-8 last year. Strike Point Sports is like 13-3 in his last 16 college GOTW/M/Y. I have hit my last two GOTW plays in college hoops and my last four in NBA. Again, I'm not "touting" anything. I'm just saying that in gambling, you always remember the big losses more then you remember the big wins. Anyone that denies that doesn't gamble very much. So while it may "seem" like it's a losing bet that's not the case.

01-22-10 09:43 PM

To me this sounds and looks like a cheap ass commercial about a sorry ass capper talking shit about another capper just to get people on ur side cuz of the docs ONE bad day. Greek seriously stop trying to sell urself rite now. U sound like a cheap hooker on main street that has every STD in the book. Take ur crabs and go else where dude. And I shit on ur record hahaha. And my shit speaks for itself

01-22-10 09:49 PM

On our site, Strike Point Sports has a college GOTY pick next Saturday in college hoops. I know the game. I think he'll get his number. He's had this game picked out for almost a MONTH. He may win. He may lose. But the bottom line is that he loves the spot and is going for it. So what is somehow "dishonest" or "BS" about that?

Last year my college basketball Game of the Year was UTEP (+8) over Memphis. You know when I decided that was going to be my GOTY? IN SEPTEMBER. That's right. When I got my Blue Ribbon and saw that game on the schedule I knew that would be one of my biggest bets of the year. That's not "tout shit" boys and girls, that's handicapping. It's not as if I closed my eyes, pointed at a play or a date on the calendar, and said, "Yup, gonna have a big play on this day." No. There was a big spot, I called it, I let people know about it, and it went down. And that's that. Again, how is that a problem?

So lay off Doc. He took a shot, he missed. Deal with it. He still can do things betting on NBA that maybe, MAYBE 1 percent of bettors in the country can do. Don't insult the man's (or my) integrity, our honesty, or our ability.

01-22-10 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by Robert Ferringo

I agree that calling something a "Game of the Year" can be seen as a marketing ploy. But the bottom line is this: we grade our plays 1-8 Units. Very, very rarely do any of us find a situation that is worthy of a 6-, 7-, or 8-Unit play. But those situations do exist. (And I'm not going to take the time to look it up, but over the last three years I'm sure my GOTW, GOTM, GOTY winning percentage in MLB and college hoops would be ridiculous - as in "wow, that's a lot of money" ridiculous; not bragging, I'm just saying that top plays are top plays for a reason.) And when they do exist, what else are we supposed to say about them? How are we supposed to let people know that, "Hey, I have something GOOD tonight."

Allen Eastman's 99 System in football is his top plays and that has gone like 27-11 this year and like 28-8 last year. Strike Point Sports is like 13-3 in his last 16 college GOTW/M/Y. I have hit my last two GOTW plays in college hoops and my last four in NBA. Again, I'm not "touting" anything. I'm just saying that in gambling, you always remember the big losses more then you remember the big wins. Anyone that denies that doesn't gamble very much. So while it may "seem" like it's a losing bet that's not the case.

Different strokes for different folks. I just think 7 units is too much to lay on a single game. I try not to exceed 3 units and I haven't in probably over a year. Doc is very good capper. No doubt about that. He has made me money over the years and I respect his ability to cap a game a lot. But the marketing aspect of it rubs people the wrong way. Most of the people that get upset are the ones that overextend and don't really grasp how important money management is.

01-22-10 09:52 PM

hey farringo u couldnt of said any of that any better. u and the doc r money. we all know this. all this is about is a bunch of haters that love to hate on sumthing good. and besides u gotta forgive greek rite now hes kinda bleeding out his vagina cuz hes on the rag. really emotional. i honestly think he a girl. he complains more than my ol lady. he sounds like a bitch.

01-22-10 09:59 PM

im betting small time bucks with u guys rite now. but i cant wait to follow when i get the big bank roll. keep it up rob. and tell doc i said dont trip on the goy. lets go 4-0 tomorrow.

01-22-10 09:59 PM

Haha.

Brigadier, we can definitely have a good, straightforward, back-and-forth discussion about this and how it fits into the money management paradigm. I'm cool with that and those discussions are why I even stick around places like this.

I'm just running hot because I'm capping out tomorrow morning's games, I drop in here, and some jerk - in the first line of his post - is calling out me and calling out Doc. And it just steams me a bit and I have to stick up for my people. So please don't think I'm popping off at you.

goldengreek · 01-22-10 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by Robert Ferringo

"I HONESTLY DONT WANNA COME OFF LIKE AN ASSHOLE"

We know you can't help it.

You're right, my college hoops picks and and Doc's NBA picks have been "burying people". People playing just $50 per Unit - that's it, not $100, not $1,000, just $50 per Unit - are up about $5,000-$6,000 with our combined picks. If they were playing $100 per Unit they are up over $10,000. That's in about four months, total.

(Oh, and his GOTY play lost because the game went to OT. Hey, a loss is a loss, but a beat is a beat.)

Give it up buddy. You want to rail some of the scammers, liars and thieves out there, go for it. But to call out myself and my employer is a joke, made by some two-bit wannabe clown. It's either rampant jealousy or pure delusion, but I seriously don't understand the beef that people have.

"These guys all lose." I mean, are you shitting me buddy?

Where do you people come from?

Ferringo -- you culdnt hit a big play if your life depended on it.

Your a joke on the forums with your 30 plays a day. I play a ton of games myself but I dont charge for them

Also , we all know you and your employer fudge your records. You dont add juice on loses , you add comp play winners .. etc. etc.

Another thing Ferrrrrrringo your employer offered me a job via IC 2 years ago.

I turned him down. Chew on that one for a while

01-22-10 10:00 PM

get that money rob. gl on ur picks tomorrow. cant wait to trail em

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