[1st and Ten]

1.5-Unit Play. Take #516 North Texas over South Alabama
1.5-Unit Play. Take #541 LBSU over UC-Irvine
2-Unit Play. Take #551 New Mexico State over Hawaii
1-Unit Play. Take #518 Troy over WKU
1-Unit Play. Take #563 Samford over Elon
1-Unit Play. Take #513 Arkansas State over FIU
1-Unit Play. Take #512 UL-Monroe over MTSU
0.5-Unit Play. Take #534 San Jose State over La. Tech
0.5-Unit Play. Take #575 Oakland over NDSU
1-Unit Play. TEASER: Take #534 San Jose State over La. Tech AND Take #510 Florida Atlantic over UA-LR
1-Unit Play. TEASER: Take #521 Valparaiso over UI-Chicago AND Take #512 UL-Monroe over MTSU

[yupper]

thanks 1st n 10...you got the lines?

[yupper]

ferringos lines

[ratnerjl]

Is that Oakland line posted for anyone?

[Sidetracked]

Ty!

[lordmohs]

516 (-6)
541 (+1)
551 (+1)
518 (pk)
563 (-2.5)
513 (-2.5)
512 (+2)
534 (+6.5)
575 (-5)

[yupper]

winner winner chicken dinner

[Vincepcion]

RF can you address the claims that you dont include juice in your records?

[Ball Picker]

I'm curious. Leaving out the Oakland game (for now, since really nobody got that game)...what would you say you finished at for this card as far as Units go?

[bill2266]

nice day robert ty

[Ball Picker]

Without Juice and not including Oakland you have: +.50 for the day.
With Juice and not including Oakland, you have: +.35 for the day.

Let's say we all got Oakland and it did win by the -5 line. That would = +1 for the day compared to +.85 on the day when you include the juice on your losses.

Now if you are a $100.00 per Unit bettor then you made +$100.00 according to Robert, since he does not add juice for the losses. Now add in the juice at a $100.00 per Unit bettor and you only won +$85.00 today. That is a $15.00 Dollar Difference in ONE DAY ALONE! I'm sorry folks, call me a hater and call me what you will, but that is quite a big difference. Now add that up over the 365 days that he does this and maybe you now get my point.

In ONE Day: A difference of $15.00 in $100.00 per Unit bettors by simply / conveniently leaving out the Juice / Vig on his losses. That is one day.....a $15.00 difference. Figure it out. That is what 'unweighted' units will do for you. As you can see, they skew the numbers rather nicely.

[Preston09]

Dude seriously everyone gets it! If anybody on here are remotley serious about sports betting the understand the juice (VIG) portion of it. Guess what nobody obviously cares about your winning attitude about the damn juice! Goodnight RF followers

[Ball Picker]

Apparently YOU don't get it. He just said in his post above that "haters" are full of shit and lying when they say he doesn't include vig and that is Units are false. So once again, I had to go ahead and prove to everybody that it's not ME who is lying and deceiving people.

[GDB]

Apparently YOU don't get it. He just said in his post above that "haters" are full of shit and lying when they say he doesn't include vig and that is Units are false. So once again, I had to go ahead and prove to everybody that it's not ME who is lying and deceiving people.

Really, he said that?

From RF's post above, all I can see is:

"Any claim that I have ever makred a game as a win when it was a loss, that I had a winning day/week/month/etc when I didn't, or that I've done anything else that is just patently dishonest is an outright lie and is complete bullshit.

I have used "gross Units" on our site...."

I'm with Preston09 on this one. WE GET IT. A more fallacious claim in my opinion, is someone claiming to have won 100 units within a month when his average unit size per pick is 10 or 20. Of course that is not bad at all, but more misleading i.e. more skewed. A vig is 10%, 5% for some. Whereas an average unit size that differs from the "usual/commonplace" 2 or 3 units, to 10 or 20 units, is different by 5 to 10 times (500% to 1000%).

[Ball Picker]

You are obviously lost on this post. Somebody asked him to address why he doesn't add the juice in with his losses. RF then responds by saying "Haters" (which is obviously a reference to me) are lying about that and yadda yadda yadda. He then talks about how honest he is and how honest Doc's is. Do you think shaving $15.00 per day off in juice (at the standard 10% and 110 per unit that they use) is that honest? Today alone, he left out .15 of vig. That adds up big time. So who really knows when he truly hit 100. Another point: If you were my bookie, would you be so kind to use weighted units? That way I can get paid $100 when you really only owe me $85. --- I really don't want to rip or hound RF, but he has called me out in posts that I have stayed out of, and I just would like him to come clean. He is going out of his way to mislead people. That being said, I hope he goes on a crazy tear and dominates CBB from here on out.

[wesleysnipes]

me too. how well is he doing in cbb anyway?

[GDB]

You are obviously lost on this post. Somebody asked him to address why he doesn't add the juice in with his losses. RF then responds by saying "Haters" (which is obviously a reference to me) are lying about that and yadda yadda yadda. He then talks about how honest he is and how honest Doc's is. Do you think shaving $15.00 per day off in juice (at the standard 10% and 110 per unit that they use) is that honest? Today alone, he left out .15 of vig. That adds up big time. So who really knows when he truly hit 100. Another point: If you were my bookie, would you be so kind to use weighted units? That way I can get paid $100 when you really only owe me $85. --- I really don't want to rip or hound RF, but he has called me out in posts that I have stayed out of, and I just would like him to come clean. He is going out of his way to mislead people. That being said, I hope he goes on a crazy tear and dominates CBB from here on out.

Could you please try harder, thanks! I wish I can ignore all this sideshow talk but I couldn't stand it. Fade this, tail that, screw Lang etc. etc.

[Ball Picker]

Try harder? You are the one that clearly did not get the content of this post. Again, will you be my bookie with weighted units?

[Vali3nt]

Nice see you clearing things up ferringo!!!

[GDB]

Try harder? You are the one that clearly did not get the content of this post. Again, will you be my bookie with weighted units?

I was specifically referring to the bolded content. I meant try harder at NOT wanting to rip or hound RF, I (and others no doubt) find that you probably aren't doing that good a job at it

No, I do not want to be your bookie with weighted units. Is this what's been bugging you IN THIS PARTICULAR THREAD? Did you not read RF's post?

"Any claim that I have ever makred a game as a win when it was a loss, that I had a winning day/week/month/etc when I didn't, or that I've done anything else that is just patently dishonest is an outright lie and is complete bullshit.

I have used "gross Units" on our site...."

GROSS UNITS. Can we move on? This is on RF's page:
November: +67.5 Units, ($6,000)

If you don't get that, it's not his fault.

It's the same thing when I found out that a capper has made 200 units in NCAAB. "Whoa, is this for real?" You can imagine how excited I was...

... till I find out that the average play is 10 units.

But do I blame that capper for "lies and bullcrap"? Absolutely not! It's his way of weighting his plays.

[Ball Picker]

blah blah blah. You don't understand where this started or what it was about. Btw, sack up and play your "EDIT per unit" with the guy making his average play a 10 Unit play. Why not? If he's winning and you have the money, you'd be a crap load more. Also, I'm really not sure what tout you are even talking about with your "10 Unit average play" talk. When did this mystery person get brought into it? Anyway, my point is proven. Not adding juice makes a ton of difference to units. I 100% understand the "67.5 Units are up $6,000" but YOU are missing the point....the point being he's not actually up 67.5 Units. He conveniently leaves out a .5 here and a .1 there. End of story.

[GDB]

that's fine Ball Picker, I don't think we will ever be on the same page. And I can sense your tone when you put quotation marks on my unit size, which means no matter what I say, it won't matter anyway.

I'm already regretting breaking one of my "cardinal rules", which is to stay off the radar. I'm going to edit my post; if you don't mind could you edit yours too (about my unit size). Thanks, and best of luck!

[Preston09]

Don't worry anybody questioning this subject "doesn't understand"?!?! I'm bored with you already. Goodnight peoples.

[Ball Picker]

I can respect that. Also, I did edit your per unit play.

[wesleysnipes]

why does he play so many games?

[wesleysnipes]

playing as many games as he play. he might as well play all the games thats literally on the board.