Ferringo all out?

RodneyJones · 01-13-10 04:52 PM

Are his plays not being posted anymore due to poor performance?

ratnerjl · 01-13-10 05:47 PM

Haven't seen them the last couple days

drewdown88 · 01-13-10 05:55 PM

wonder if that means he's gonna make a run

always-lose · 01-13-10 06:19 PM

I was keeping track of certain cappers so if any one has them please post so I can keep up with his, even if it is after games have started is fine with me because its for tracking purposes only. I will pick a few and try to track daily plays to keep up with actual stats. THANKS if you do post the plays.

1st and Ten · 01-13-10 08:48 PM

1-Unit Play. Take #798 Clemson (-4.5) over North Carolina (9 p.m., Wednesday, Jan. 12)

1.5-Unit Play. Take #756 Virginia (-2) over Georgia Tech (7 p.m., Wednesday, Jan. 13)

1.5-Unit Play. Take #743 Wichita State (-4) over Indiana State (7 p.m., Wednesday, Jan. 13)

1-Unit Play. Take #752 Duquesne (-7) over St. Louis (7 p.m., Wednesday, Jan. 13)

1-Unit Play. Take #808 Nevada (-3) over Utah State (11 p.m., Wednesday, Jan. 13)

1-Unit Play. Take #724 Michigan State (-6.5) over Minnesota (6:30 p.m., Wednesday, Jan. 13)

0.5-Unit Play. Take #785 Rice (+6.5) over Tulane (8 p.m., Wednesday, Jan. 13)

0.5-Unit Play. Take #758 LaSalle (-3.5) over George Washington (7 p.m., Wednesday, Jan. 13)

0.5-Unit Play. Take #794 Creighton (-3.5) over Southern Illinois (9 p.m., Wednesday, Jan. 13)

0.5-Unit Play. Take #779 LSU (+10) over South Carolina (8 p.m., Wednesday, Jan. 13)

0.5-Unit Play. Take #725 Pittsburgh (+6.5) over Connecticut (7 p.m., Wednesday, Jan. 13)

0.5-Unit Play. Take #730 Virginia Tech (-3.5) over Miami (7 p.m., Wednesday, Jan. 13)

0.5-Unit Play. Take #733 Delaware (+17) over Northeastern (7 p.m., Wednesday, Jan. 13)

0.5-Unit Play. Take #742 UNC-Wilmington (+9) over Old Dominion (7 p.m., Wednesday, Jan. 13)

0.5-Unit Play. Take #768 Northern Illinois (-1) over Western Michigan (8 p.m., Wednesday, Jan. 13)

0.5-Unit Play. Take #769 Marshall (-2) over Central Florida (8 p.m., Wednesday, Jan. 13)

0.5-Unit Play. Take #787 UTEP (+2) over Houston (8 p.m., Wednesday, Jan. 13)

0.5-Unit Play. Take #781 Mississippi (-4.5) over Georgia (8 p.m., Wednesday, Jan. 13)

These are 5-point teasers:
1-Unit Play. TEASER: Take #731 Boston College (+21) over Duke (7 p.m.) AND Take #760 Richmond (-7) over Massachusetts (7 p.m.)

0.5-Unit Play. TEASER: Take #736 Towson (+10) over Drexel (7 p.m.) AND Take #752 Duquesne (-2) over St. Louis (7 p.m.)

0.5-Unit Play. TEASER: Take #777 Texas (-2.5) over Iowa State (8 p.m.) AND Take #791 Kansas (-7) over Nebraska (9 p.m.)

0.5-Unit Play. TEASER: Take #801 Dayton (-14) over Fordham (9:30 p.m.) AND Take #763 Charlotte (+15) over Xavier (7:30 p.m.)

0.5-Unit Play. Take #785 Rice (+11.5) over Tulane (8 p.m., Wednesday, Jan. 13) AND Take #725 Pittsburgh (+11.5) over Connecticut (7 p.m., Wednesday, Jan. 13)

lordswing · 01-13-10 09:00 PM

Thanks, that's a ton of plays

peeiempee · 01-13-10 09:13 PM

Ferringo never gives up

CheeseWhiz · 01-13-10 09:19 PM

at a glance it looks like a real good day, keep it up ferringo

bo281 · 01-13-10 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by peeiempee

Ferringo never gives up

what kind of comment is that. why would he give up

always-lose · 01-13-10 10:43 PM

Thanks 1st and Ten. If you are getting his plays can you continue to post them even if it is after they start so that I can keep tracking his plays ?

Vincepcion · 01-13-10 11:00 PM

thats a lot of favourites to take, but looks like a good day overall for him

plzkthx · 01-13-10 11:03 PM

thx you

01-13-10 11:38 PM

Just patiently waiting and weathering the storm, waiting to find that groove again. With nearly three full months left on the calendar you know I will.

(Funny, I didn't start losing until I posted here. And then I have a winning day when no one posts my picks! Ha! SBR Forum is bad karma! Hahahaha!)

Sorry I haven't been around lately. But I've been trying to bear down a bit and really have just been too busy to spend any extra time. I check in from time to time.

Just wanted to say thank you for the kind words from those that have stayed loyal. I'm sure there are several guys in here that have ridden the roller coaster with me before in this or other sports. They know the score.

As for the haters, well, it's been a good month to be you. But with 12 months in the year it's going to be real good to be me for about 10 of them (I'll have another losing month in there somewhere. All in the game.)

Anyway, good luck. I'd have to say I'm definitely still not "bak" yet and to tread lightly. I should have pulled the trigger with Clemson as the GOTW but did not. I am still just not up to snuff with my grading systems. Long story.

Anyway, later homeboys. And best of luck to all.

01-14-10 02:24 AM

Thanks Robert!!

Ball Picker · 01-14-10 02:35 AM

He finally got smart and decided to start tailing UNCForever, who oddly enough was on Virginia, Wichita St, Mich St and Pittsburgh. Too bad UNC posted his Utah St play so late. He could have tailed that one too instead of losing with the square Nevada play.

C2daMFinJ · 01-14-10 03:08 AM

Originally Posted by Robert Ferringo

Just patiently waiting and weathering the storm, waiting to find that groove again. With nearly three full months left on the calendar you know I will.

(Funny, I didn't start losing until I posted here. And then I have a winning day when no one posts my picks! Ha! SBR Forum is bad karma! Hahahaha!)

Sorry I haven't been around lately. But I've been trying to bear down a bit and really have just been too busy to spend any extra time. I check in from time to time.

Just wanted to say thank you for the kind words from those that have stayed loyal. I'm sure there are several guys in here that have ridden the roller coaster with me before in this or other sports. They know the score.

As for the haters, well, it's been a good month to be you. But with 12 months in the year it's going to be real good to be me for about 10 of them (I'll have another losing month in there somewhere. All in the game.)

Anyway, good luck. I'd have to say I'm definitely still not "bak" yet and to tread lightly. I should have pulled the trigger with Clemson as the GOTW but did not. I am still just not up to snuff with my grading systems. Long story.

Anyway, later homeboys. And best of luck to all.

Mr. Ferringo! I am so glad you post in here. I just want you to know I have purchased your baseball and basketball picks on several occasions & I think you do a great job. I know you are in a slump right now, but you'll pull out of it (you always do!!) Anyway, screw the haters and keep on doing your thing when you start having those monster 12 & 15 unit days peeps will be all over your jock again

Good Luck & thanks for all your hard work!!

01-14-10 07:00 AM

Ball Picker, you not only are kind of creepily obsessed with me but now some guy in another forum as well. Good luck with that. And if he starts losing are you going to go all Glenn Close, Fatal Attraction on whoever that guy is too? Ha!

I have no idea what your objectives or motivations are in here but keep up the great work. You are the best buddy.

Ball Picker · 01-14-10 07:11 AM

You see, I have every idea at what all of your motivations are in this place. That is why I call you out. Oh, and please do us favor and start adding the juice to your losses to make your units legit. Thanks.

av3206 · 01-14-10 07:15 AM

i just want to say i am not a hater but why are there all those plays? is it to make sure you win a few at least?

rake922 · 01-14-10 07:19 AM

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Ball Picker · 01-14-10 07:20 AM

No. Please let him address the fact that he doesn't add in the juice to his losses and let him explain to us why he doesn't do that, before anybody else jumps in.

Ball Picker · 01-14-10 07:28 AM

Tick. Tock.

......

RodneyJones · 01-14-10 07:31 AM

what was the final tally (with or without juice)?

Ball Picker · 01-14-10 07:40 AM

Well, I would tell you, but it's not my job to add up his 100 plays per day. That is actually his job, but he decides he isn't going to do his job correctly which skews the Units in his favor.

Ball Picker · 01-14-10 07:57 AM

Robby, be a good boy and just fess up that you did this to skew your Units to make you look better. Confessing that they cheated worked out for Jason Giambi and A Rod, it might work out for you as well. Then again, when you run a business and you sell a service, false advertising is against the law, huh?

01-14-10 08:17 AM

See, that is exactly what I have a problem with. You "know my motivations" and in your opinion I'm trying to lie or sleaze or do something shady. Buddy, who are you? You don't know me. We've never spoken on basketball or handicapping. You've never been a client of mine. You basically have no knowledge of anything having to do with me or my company, but that hasn't stopped you from trying to slander us.The problem with all of your accusations is that they are wild and baseless. And while I haven't been commenting as much I have still seen that you have taken every opportunity to spread lies and try to slander me. You're trying to smear the reputation of someone that you don't know, that you've never met, and that you have absolutely no idea about. And in doing so you're trying to sully the reputation of an organization (Doc's Sports) that's been around for almost 40 years. Normally I wouldn't care what some jerk in some forum had to say, but since you (and other "haters") have continuously done it - and in other threads and likely even in other forums - it irritates me.

The bottom line here is that you have come out and said that you used to be a tout and what a sleazy profession it is. Well, I hate to tell you, but not everyone operates at that level. You did. Maybe you feel bad about it. And now because of your experience - and the fact that you don't do it anymore tells me that either you weren't any good at it, you couldn't hack the pressure, or you couldn't be honest about it - you have it out for all professional handicappers. I'm sorry if you had a bad experience working as a "tout" but, again, just because you worked for a sleazy organization and did or saw some scumbaggy things that doesn't mean that everyone who sells picks does the same thing. It's like saying that because one girl cheated on you they are all whores. That's ridiculous.

Now, you will rail against someone like myself that is honest and successful. And you have no problem finding someone in another forum who has had some success. Now, my question is that if that person all of a sudden started charging for his picks - after a long track record of proving that they could win money - would you suddenly turn on them too? If someone has a skill, a skill that maybe 5 percent of all bettors have, then why shouldn't they be allowed to make a living because of it, not only betting their own picks but also selling picks and helping other people make money? What do you have against those people? Again, if it isn't some weird jealousy thing or some odd I-regret-what-I-did-when-I-had-a-chance thing then I don't know what it is. You want me, and others, to sit here and do all of this hard work, put ourselves out there, so that you can take our work for free and use it to further your own wallet. Are you kidding? As if I'm supposed to handicap games for 6 hours a day, watch six hours of basketball a day, and do this from November to April, and somehow I owe you the results of that hard work? Huh? Where does that sense of entitlement come from?

I'll also say the same thing I said before: you accuse me of being a liar and a cheat. Yet everyone that comes in here is stealing my picks and my hard work every single day. That includes you. (And I am not trying to open that discussion back up to everyone in here. While I don't condone, I understand why a lot of the people do it.) You don't post any picks of your own. Instead you just piggy back on other people's work and trash them if they aren't making YOU money every single day. I have never lied or cheated one single person in this or any other forum. I, and the people I work with/for, don't need to. You can be successful without being dishonest. That's the core of our model and that's why we're one of the most well-respected operations in the entire industry: people know we don't **** around and people know that we're straight shooters. But that bothers you. You are somehow jealous or irritated by that so you have to constantly try to trash me and the people I work for.

(A perfect example of one of your weird lies: you claim that I was in here trying to "save face" after I started losing and was trolling for business. I actually started posting in here on a lark back when I was up +103 Units. And I have posted for weeks through one of the worst stretches of my career. Haven't ducked anything. Now, the point of me being in here was to try to "join the community", answer questions, try to help people out, and share some knowledge from a guy that, sorry, knows a hell of a lot about college basketball. And some people really appreciated it. But it became a waste of my time from having to deal with the Monday Morning Quarterbacking and the leaches that just wanted to pick fights, argue, and try to be a tough guy in some forum. But you try to play it off like I started losing and then came in here to somehow apologize (?) or make excuses to people who aren't clients of mine and who I don't know from Joe. Does that make any sense? Yet you've said it more than once. )

I know you're not going to stop, but I just wanted to set the record straight here. If you don't like me, fine. But how about just ignoring these threads? How about not making up stories, lies and accusations about me and spreading them? I am not beholden to you. You are not a client. I want everyone in here to have a lot of fun and make a lot of money gambling. But the people who I care most about are my clients. (And believe me, personally, this last month has been rough. Any implications that I somehow don't care about losing is just a joke.) So, sorry, but I don't have to answer to you for anything.

So how about you go your way and I go mine and we both just do our thing. I'm not going anywhere in this industry and I imagine you aren't going anywhere from this forum. So if your goal is just to help yourself, do us all a favor and keep your opinions to yourself. If your goal is to "help other people" then I don't see any reason why we can't join forces and help The People out. It doesn't have to be antagonistic. And if you, me, and everyone else in here make money and have fun doing it then I would think that everyone would be happy. I guess the same goes to you and to the rest of the "haters".

Best of luck.
bf

01-14-10 08:27 AM

av, to answer your question, there are a few answers.

First, I have some systems that I haven't been keeping to as strictly as I should. If I were, I would have even more plays each night. The basis of one is kind of a modified chase system that I loosely use. I realized a few years ago that I was catching some terrible beats on my top plays, but then the teams that I had bet on would come out and lay the wood in their next outing. So I started to make sure that every time I lost a big play I would always go back to that team the next game. Well, I tracked it out and I found that this actually happened a lot (a win after a loss) so I have tried to embrace it and go with it. Some people don't agree with that type of betting. But it all goes back to the work that I do in the preseason to find my "play on" and my "play against" teams. That's why you see a lot of the same teams being played on and against. I trust my research, and trust that the teams I am playing and fading are good/bad enough to put together a streak against me. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

The other reason for all the plays is simple: to make my clients more money. Let's say we have two cappers that can pick 55 percent. Let's say that they each bet $100 per pick. Now, person No. 1 plays 200 picks. Person No. 2 plays 500 picks. They both pick 55 percent. Who wins more money? The answer is the guy who makes more plays.

I have confidence in my ability. I think that I can pick winners consistently. So I go with it.

If there are 100 lines on the board that means that there are going to be 100 winners. I think I can find them. General consensus is that if there are 100 lines you should "find the best one or two". I don't agree with that. I know that makes me kind of a rarity in the business, but it is what it is. I think that those 100 winners are going to happen whether I play the games or not. So put myself in a position to find 10 or 20 of them. You're going to lose games. I never believed in trying to win every play. But sometimes a loss today will set you up for a bigger score down the road.

Kind of a scattered answer, but that's the rough outline of it.

bigmike23 · 01-14-10 08:28 AM

I think you 2 should meet up and discuss this over a drink!

And Rob- 23 plays on your card? Come on mannnnn' thats rediculous- and you always have a hunch about playing a game big GOM or uping the units......SO DO IT! screw the other small shits, and pick those plays you get that hunch about!

bigmike23 · 01-14-10 08:32 AM

Oh and stop writing novels on this forum- that above is like a collage research paper! Its cool your on here, but just drop in ...your getting too invloved and letting lil people in here get to you...

01-14-10 08:41 AM

Mr. Pickles, I just saw your other posts. Please continue to show us all how little you know. I'm looking forward to the point when it goes from amusing to sad, if we're not there already.

But to address some of the question (not for your sake, because I owe you absolutely nothing, but for the sake of the other people out there):

1. My records are available to any of my clients.

2. Let's not pretend that people that post every play aren't accused of "being cheats". Warranted or not, I used to keep a running tally but then I stopped because it got to be too much of a hassle. People would call or e-mail in because their numbers didn't match up because they didn't get the exact line on every game. This is a big problem in MLB especially, where's it's nearly impossible to find one ML that works for every bettor.

3. Also, our position at Doc's is always simple: the spreadsheet doesn't matter as much as the clients do. Those are just numbers on paper. We care about REAL dollars and how our clients are doing. So we offer extensions and free picks to people based on how they are actually doing. Because the reality is that people's bank rolls aren't always going to match up with our sheets. When we lose, we know it. But even if our Excel sheet says that we won that doesn't mean that all of our clients won, and THAT is what we care about.

For example, if someone had called in and said that they lost last night because they didn't get one of the numbers I did. We would honor that. (I don't see where that would have been the issue last night, but for the sake of argument.) Now, if I had gone for +8 Units or so and someone called in and said that they played all of my picks and lost we probably would be wary. But if they called and said that they lost we would extend them and work for them until they were back up.

So you tell me, is that more important than some numbers on a website? That's just how we do business. You don't like it? Use someone else. (That's right, you don't pay. You just complain and make juvenile accusations.) But that's how we do things.

01-14-10 08:48 AM

bigmike, you are probably right. I just get fired up about this stuff. I am just passionate about what I do. (Oh, and I talk a lot. And as a writer that can be trouble.

As for the plays, I hear you. I don't know where my confidence has gone with bigger plays (that Clemson pick last night was a joke. 1 Unit? Gimme a break. Was one of the best situations of the year and I went for 1 Unit. Ugh. This has been an issue all year too. I was saying even at the start of the season that we weren't up NEARLY what we should have been.)

Of course, that said, had I been playing "traditional" grading over the last month we would have blown our entire stack and gotten into the hole. The fact that I have been "playing smaller" has worked to help stem the tide.

I agree that the 23 picks might have been off. (**** the teasers. Ugh. They have been so good to me for so long in my own betting. This is the first year I've ever released them like this and they started great but have been an anchor lately. A little "Matrix" quote for you: "There is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path" I guess.) But it's all part of my "master plan". I have been really debating about "tightening up" and I should have gone into the "prevent defense" for a month or so after I got up to +103 (I know the drought was coming at some point. I mean, I wasn't going to go for +400 Units this year.) But I like to stay aggressive, I like to trust my self and my systems, and I don't like to ever limit my options. I may have three plays one day and 20 the next. It just depends on the situations.

Anyway, thanks for the support.

PhatBaztard · 01-14-10 09:48 AM

Mr Pickles

That's great.

More like Butt Picker, or Ball Licker. That dude knows nothing.

bigmike23 · 01-14-10 02:09 PM

Robert tusche`

crazymonkey · 01-14-10 02:14 PM

24 plays a day haha. wonder if fools actually follow this clown

Ball Picker · 01-14-10 02:35 PM

Sooo once again, why don't you add the juice to your losses? Because I didn't see you address that in your very long post that didn't answer my question. Nice smoke screen, buddy. Please answer why you skew your units. Stick to the point.

P.S. I was a very good tout for the time I was at it, and I was totally honest. I went back to school to become a Phsycians Assistant and that leaves me no time to do what I have to do for capping and posting. Oh and guess what? I added the juice to my losses and showed it in my overall Units, unlike yourself and all the other crooked touts.

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