[darkdoll]

Hi

My first post here, though i have been here for a couple of weeks, checking things out & followed some picks...

Im now on a 0-12 run of the picks i followed from maximus, Ras, ferringo, Doc... This means of course i missed out on a few winners, so it not that bad... + that badstreaks happnes..

BUT i really start to question the quality of serviceplays as they are presented.
I have been sportsbetting for a couple of years & i have specialized in basketball. My strong things have been Less famous leauges then for example NBA (though the first quater plays & over/under has gone very well in NBA)

Though, i find it EXTREMLY hard to belive that the amount of plays presented by the "pros" are quality plays & many of the plays shouldnt been released if you start to look closer on them.
Is it only so, that the amount of plays released is an product of that the cappers with the serviceplays only want to make more money & this way let the quality go down the drain...

I started to look into 1 pick of the ones i played today (not gona mention which one though) & when i made my analys of the game i just cant understand how the pick can be made???
Often the picks are so close calls, that you aswell can play blindfolded & still have the same profit/losses...

& some cappers seem to be good at somethings, but not doing well in other areas, but still releases plays with the stuff they clearly not should be doing.

All this ends upp with a forum with serviceplays, that releases so much garbage that the players turns into loosers instead of winners... You dont know quality when you see it because its surounded with so much shit & half secure plays.

Ofcourse its very importent to watch the ones you follow, but i see even the ones that are doing Ok, just seems to slug out bets, just for the sake of doing it.

When i find a pick that i think is AMAZING, i share it, but that doesnt happen every day, certanly not 5 times a day. I want to feel really good about the pick before i handle it out to friends ect, because its not only my money on the line.

When we look to the fact that its so eazy to miss out on a winning play, or the line moves on a play which turns a winning bet into a loosing, the marginals are really tight. Then you add the fee for the playerservice & we are in trouble areas, even if the capper showing green numbers on his webpage.

Is it to much to ask that the so called "pros" just release bets that REALLY are good picks??
Yes you need to have a certain amount of bets going to keep it rolling, but if more "pro cappers" used there brain to fokus on betting instead of how much cash they get on the playerservice, i think everybody would gain on that

just my 5 cents....

[cmatth1326]

Here is my take: I use these guys as a guide. The games I don't like, I don't bet. I just don't have time in my day to do all of the research required to properly handicap games. Once I get a feel for the top plays of the day, then I do a little research to see who I like and then bet them. I do pretty well doing this. Just remember; if it were easy we would all be making a living at it. But reality is, it is a really tough deal to get these things right. We are all going to go thru unbelievable runs good and bad.

[darkdoll]

I c what you mean with just using them as an advice & thats how i normaly do with picks. But here is the big diffrence, thise guys are asking money to tell you what they belive is the right outcome in a game. Then it just shouldnt be an small advice, then it should be QUALITY!

[youngfan98]

[crazymonkey]

go for the smaller unknown services. those are the ones that actually put in the time to cap the games. These big time services just throw out picks and hope they hit. its a joke

[jayfly]

i am getting a little frustrated myself. I have been following this site for about two months. I read about who the best cappers to follow are, tracked several for a few weeks then decided to tail a few of them. I dont know if everyone is on a cold streak but I have been losing consistently. Not much but just about every night has shown a loss. I have been trailing ras, vegas runner, ferigno, plus a little docs and lenny del genio. The only one who has shown any consistent wins is vr. I keep hearing how ferigno is up X units and ras is up X units but I have not seen it. Have i just been unlucky and caught these guys on a bad streak or am I doing something wrong. If all these guys are supposedly up units how am i losing every night. I have show more profit then these guys and all i do is look at the lines in the paper for a few minutes while i take a dump on my break at work.

[jayfly]

i think it is time to listen to bookie bill and wait onwinner. I am going to pick a few cappers that play only 1 or 2 top picks a day.

[Ball Picker]

As a person who has been in the game for a long time and been on both ends (bettor and capper / tout), I can tell you for sure that 98% of touts, even deemed "Professional", are losers. Touting is like a used car salesman job but with clever marketing thrown in....or skewed marketing. I have spent time with a few different tout sites, including one of the biggest sites on the internet, and it's all sales and advertising. This particular forum has broken it down to pretty much the big names of the touting industry, but even 95% of these guys are scams! I simply cannot believe that people don't realize this. On top of that, the large majority of the posters on this forum are nickel and dime bettors who honestly have no clue. I'd bet that almost all of them are losing gamblers. So taking a cue from them when some guy has made them money over the course of a week or even a month is quite simply a joke. And do you think these touts are actually betting their picks and betting them at the units they put out?? I can tell you right now that 99% of them don't. They don't need to as long as they have suckers purchasing their crappy plays. A real gambler or real professional is NOT going to release the picks that they are wagering on. Do you really think they want the public to know what they are on and cause line movements? IF anything, they are going to release the opposite of what they are on to make the line move in their favor and then bet the opposite. Normally I don't give a damn. I was a tout but I was an honest tout. I got out of the business because I saw how places like vegasinsider run things and it's a pure joke. They skew numbers and rip people off. It's all an illusion. Just like when Lang says "I'm 15-6 in Bowl Games!" Well it doesn't matter because those guys play units! They can be up a lot of games and still be down huge because they have lost their big unit games. Honestly guys, I wish people would read up, do their homework and get a real grasp of this business before they just throw away their money, especially blindly tailing people. I've been at this for about 14 years (the last 5 or 6 very seriously) and I'm still learning stuff. I can tell you right now that following touts is going to lose you money. It's honestly better to fade 98% of them. I can tell you a few people in the industry that I trust and who I look at, but even I don't tail their plays. (then again, if Root keeps up his madness, I might be a fool to not tail him! but he's one of the very few that I trust.)

[GotWood?]

Hi

Im now on a 0-12 run of the picks i followed from maximus, Ras, ferringo, Doc... This means of course i missed out on a few winners, so it not that bad... + that badstreaks happnes..


just my 5 cents....

Here's your problem right here, you haven't followed these services, you picked and chose and the games lost. All of these services are up big on the year with the exception of Maximus who is a fugazi. A lot of people in here make the same mistake over and over, they jump on somebody when they're hot and they end up losing that night, they jump off and then the service wins again. Stick with one service and ride them out instead of jumping around.

[darkdoll]

Here's your problem right here, you haven't followed these services, you picked and chose and the games lost. All of these services are up big on the year with the exception of Maximus who is a fugazi. A lot of people in here make the same mistake over and over, they jump on somebody when they're hot and they end up losing that night, they jump off and then the service wins again. Stick with one service and ride them out instead of jumping around.

This was not the point of the whole thing, it was just what got me started to think about it. My point is/was that they would do much better if they went more for quality instead of quantity... Ball picker's reply was really good, thank you

Im doing really well on my own stuff, but after i found this page where "paid" picks where posted, i thought i would give it a try. Which was a bad ide

[Ball Picker]

Dark, you have the right idea. The more successful cappers actually do release a lower number of plays. Professional gamblers and/or really good touts are out to find lines that are off and beat them. I see guys like Ferringo, who put out a huge number of plays all of the time, and I can promise you those lines are set at their number for a reason and are not 'off lines'. I don't mean to pick on him but he's a hot topic on the site right now....anyway, if he keeps releasing a huge number of plays then I won't be surprised if he ends up dropping a lot of his units before the season is over with. Remember, he was up over +100 and is not at 86 and making no ground. That is a lot of lost units for a guy that plays .5, 1 and 2 unit plays most of the time. Vegas Runner is still ok but he used to be WAY more legit when he was releasing a lot fewer plays. He has gone overboard recently and it has cost him. I could babble on, but I'll just leave it at that.

[Preston09]

You cant pick and choose. 0-12??? Thats just ridiculous.

[rkelly110]

0-12 is exactly what you deserve. Everybody and their brother @ SBR wants free picks.

Pay a few bucks and buy your picks. I'm with Plusline sports, Sportsbetting champ and
Sports betting professor. I get free picks from James Jones also. I'm up over 100 units.
These guys paid big bucks for years of research and you pay a small price of what they
paid for the research.

You people that do pay for your picks are Jackasses for posting for free what you're
paying for!

I love surfing through this site, it's hillarious!

[KongKiller]

0-12 is exactly what you deserve. Everybody and their brother @ SBR wants free picks.

Pay a few bucks and buy your picks. I'm with Plusline sports, Sportsbetting champ and
Sports betting professor. I get free picks from James Jones also. I'm up over 100 units.
These guys paid big bucks for years of research and you pay a small price of what they
paid for the research.

You people that do pay for your picks are Jackasses for posting for free what you're
paying for!

I love surfing through this site, it's hillarious!

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[darkdoll]

0-12 is exactly what you deserve. Everybody and their brother @ SBR wants free picks.

Pay a few bucks and buy your picks. I'm with Plusline sports, Sportsbetting champ and
Sports betting professor. I get free picks from James Jones also. I'm up over 100 units.
These guys paid big bucks for years of research and you pay a small price of what they
paid for the research.

You people that do pay for your picks are Jackasses for posting for free what you're
paying for!

I love surfing through this site, it's hillarious!

Whats hillarious is that you dont read what im writing... the question was if the picks has quality... but on the other hand, why should i pay for picks that doesnt has quality?
I could also just choose a couple games everyday that looks "ok" & that might go in... asking money for that?? Naaa.. that sounds like a scam

[Hoopman]

go for the smaller unknown services. those are the ones that actually put in the time to cap the games. These big time services just throw out picks and hope they hit. its a joke

this is very true and very good advice. Don't listen to the loud-mouth tout services as they spend more time marketing rather than actually evaluating games. Look for the ones that you either haven't heard of or rarely hear about and get a firsthand experience. It's not about what you pay, it's about what you profit. If you pay $200 for a month and then make $1,000, sounds good to me.

I like to find services that actually have a short and long-term plan for making money and not just sending out plays. They are few and far between, but do exist.

[majord]

0-12 is rather impressive.

I think you should continue using the same process .... but right before you bet "take the other team".

While hard to do, most people would do much better if they "fade themselves"......

[Shempy]

I look for honesty first in a service just as in life. The first time a service lies about their record or doctors the pointspread for their record, etc. they are gone. Another thing I look for is to ignore services that have many different clubs or subdivisions so, if they win at one club out of 5, they never tell about the losing clubs, just the winner. And why would you want to play any service releasing 15-20 games a day? Doesn't make any sense to me. Vegas loves the bettor that plays 20 games a day but, it's the pro that plays one or two that Vegas knows can win. I also look for services that are happy that their clients won, not that they themselves won. Just my thoughts

[THE PROFIT]

If 12 cappers put out 5 plays each day you can take the 1 play YOU like the most from 12 cappers & easily go 0-12! Just like betting too many games is a losing prop, so is picking too many cappers, plus picking & choosing which games of theirs you like. STUPIDITY! Pick 1 capper with proven track record & play his plays only

[betting]

Here's a recommendation. Don't follow these clowns in the service section, I learned that the hard way when I nearly lost my entire bankroll. Go into the NCAA Basketball and NBA sections and tail the individuals who are posting plays that they feel very very strongly about.. It's worked for me all the time now. Find someone reputable and when they indicate they have a play they are laying very heavy on, it cashes almost everytime. If you really wanna stick to the services section, my best recommendations to you would be to follow 'Teddy Covers', Joyce Sterling or Marc Lawrence.. They are probably the best you'll find here. FootballJesus is also amazing but footballs over so he's pretty much gone

Which individuals on the board have you found to be reputable? Sounds like good advice.

[doubledime]

What amazes me is that on any given game so many "cappers" can have a different side, with write ups to justify it.

[akerber]

Here's a recommendation. Don't follow these clowns in the service section, I learned that the hard way when I nearly lost my entire bankroll. Go into the NCAA Basketball and NBA sections and tail the individuals who are posting plays that they feel very very strongly about.. It's worked for me all the time now. Find someone reputable and when they indicate they have a play they are laying very heavy on, it cashes almost everytime. If you really wanna stick to the services section, my best recommendations to you would be to follow 'Teddy Covers', Joyce Sterling or Marc Lawrence.. They are probably the best you'll find here. FootballJesus is also amazing but footballs over so he's pretty much gone

And who are the best guys to follow on NCAAB and NBA threads?

[Edward-RAS]

There are major problems with following plays on a service thread.

1. 99% of services do not win long term.

2. The 1% of services who do win long term, usually have created a big enough following that when they release plays the line will move quickly. By the time the play is posted here, you will usually be taking a bad number. Unless you are betting less than $50 a game, the value lost from this alone is costing you more than paying for the service itself.

3. There can be reliability and/or accuracy issues. Since you are not getting it from the source, you may be subjected to incorrect info. Not all plays will get posted every day, certain plays may be the wrong side. Colorado instead of Colorado State is a good example. You do not know when to check back for additions, revisions, or corrections.

4. Too much emphasis is put on short term streaks. Many handicappers receive undue attention because of a "hot" streak when in reality they are not proven to be long term winners and are not worth following.

[KongKiller]

Edward, you forgot to mention that it takes money out of the Service's pocket's too! And man that ain't right. Just ask Metallica!

[Edward-RAS]

Edward, you forgot to mention that it takes money out of the Service's pocket's too! And man that ain't right. Just ask Metallica!

It is probably less than you think. Most people who are looking at service play threads probably are not taking sports betting very seriously and are just looking to find something to play on.

[Gamblah]

Impressive to go 0-12 while tailing on of the best cappers, which picks did you tail Doc cuz he has been the hottest capper on Earth the past week lol?
Think you need to start tailing just one capper and stick with him. You cant just jump from the other to another. Thats a losing formule.

[soxwin]

Shempy is a wise man. Honest services wont lead you to these well marketed cappers. Instead it will lead you to these small time "advisors". These services often don't put out the best line because they are often on dogs or the unders and those lines are best to get right at gametime. Often times their customers do better than they do b/c they advise their customers to wait to get the best lines. Also I prefer cappers who have their own forum where their customers can comment on the plays that they release. Think about this; if capper X had their own forum and said they had Texas +5 when they gave out Bama -4, their customers would be all over them. So if that is the case, how can they not be legit. 99.5% of cappers would never have their own forum though b/c then their good streak as well as their bad ones would have to be documented. Once a bad streak is documented 99% of people will look away from that capper immediately

Sorry for the long winded post but in this business that is 95% crooks, to find the other 5% is the key. The problem is that everybody has a different 5%. Some guys who say capper Y is honest, others will tell you that same guy is a scammer. You just need to find someone who posts all their results all the time good and bad and is upfront with their customer base.

Good luck in your quest

I look for honesty first in a service just as in life. The first time a service lies about their record or doctors the pointspread for their record, etc. they are gone. Another thing I look for is to ignore services that have many different clubs or subdivisions so, if they win at one club out of 5, they never tell about the losing clubs, just the winner. And why would you want to play any service releasing 15-20 games a day? Doesn't make any sense to me. Vegas loves the bettor that plays 20 games a day but, it's the pro that plays one or two that Vegas knows can win. I also look for services that are happy that their clients won, not that they themselves won. Just my thoughts

[Durden]

The answer to the question of why Cappers release picks on sports they have a poor record on is the same reason they do anything...to make money. Why do you think Vegas and online services list on the board the games that are televised? They get 20x more action on the televised games than the non. So Cappers will release plays for nationaly telivised games evven if they suck at that sport to get the sales...simple.

[jayfly]

shempy who would fall under that catagory?

[Ball Picker]

Edward, why did you just write "You should drop the money to subscribe to my site." Jeez, man. That is more or less what you were getting at. Also, serious bettors don't use services for the most part because they know better. It's all a marketing and sales game.

[Edward-RAS]

Edward, why did you just write "You should drop the money to subscribe to my site." Jeez, man. That is more or less what you were getting at. Also, serious bettors don't use services for the most part because they know better. It's all a marketing and sales game.

There are many serious bettors who use services. Why do you think the line moves so fast on RAS releases? It is true that 99% of services do not win and most invest more time on marketing schemes and sales than they do handicapping, but there are definitely exceptions to this. We actually stop our CFB service after 8 weeks so that we can focus exclusively on the CBB season. Does a move like this sound like it is motivated by making more sales or by finding the most edge for our clients? I'll say the latter.

[fightfan]

There are many serious bettors who use services. Why do you think the line moves so fast on RAS releases? It is true that 99% of services do not win and most invest more time on marketing schemes and sales than they do handicapping, but there are definitely exceptions to this. We actually stop our CFB service after 8 weeks so that we can focus exclusively on the CBB season. Does a move like this sound like it is motivated by making more sales or by finding the most edge for our clients? I'll say the latter.

While I don't use RAS, it is well known that they are scrupulously honest and must put in a great deal of time researching their picks.