[1st and Ten]

Just received an interesting email. Paying customer (kinda upset) because the person who he buys from is posted here.

My response in a nutshell is if you are going to try to make money just following the advice of a professional handicapper why wouldn't you want to get the plays when they are released? A good capper's numbers will move and with exception to the rare case you don't want to get in the habit of buying numbers. And trust me, many of these cappers are released late or not at all some days.

I mean some of us have thousands of dollars riding on these games. Clearly, especially with a capper like Right Angle Sports, forum plays are useless in the long run. If you like a capper buy their plays.

1st and Ten

[1st and Ten]

And no matter what people say....it's the right this to do when you have a capper that consistently wins and provides great write-ups.

[1st and Ten]

Good Feedback

[1st and Ten]

Bob...for example, Moneylines in the MLB....100/ unit bettors would make their money back on a season package in less than a week the way those numbers move

[vlad]

The selections of the few handicappers I tail are often wrong in these forums. Either the better handicappers send out false plays or post false plays on these forums.

[lcf]

There's nothing he can do if people don't post the write-ups.

[Gamblah]

Are you the real RF? If so why don't you nor any of the other cappers seem to care that your picks are out on the internet for free?

There is nothing he can do about it, yeah get upset but that wont get it away.

[Hoopman]

I agree b/c there's nothing like getting the info directly from the source. Secondhand info isn't always reliable.

I will use the forums to check out cappers that I may not know about. It's a good place for them to build credibility. It's hard to know if a tout is good long-term and can costs you big $$ to find out. That's where the forums are useful.

[KongKiller]

Kongkiller is finally allowed back in the Service Plays forum. Thanks Willie B!! I promise to behave this time!!!

[NIKNIK]

KongKiller what happened?

[andywend]

There is a ton of validity to paying for picks.

This is probably the most comical statement ever posted in this forum.

The only thing more INSANE than paying for someone else's picks is to do so knowing you can get them for free right here.

When taking the fees these guys charge for their selections into account, I would be surprised if even 10% of them wind up in the black at the end of the year.

Just like with the financial markets, its foolish to rely on someone else to make money for you. Either do the research yourself or don't risk your hard earned money.

This is the best advice anyone can give.

[KongKiller]

Man, Willie B has been hard on me lately. He banned me for a week. I made a joke in the football Jesus thread that he didn't find that funny. LOL

[KongKiller]

AndyWend how you doing ole buddy. I remember getting into a fight with you this summer about money management or something. Hows it going dude??

[andywend]

Don't remember the fight but I'm doing well.

Had a great 2009 and hope for a repeat in 2010.

How's it going with you?

[mvp123]

i think its ridiculous to pay for any service period. if you want to follow ppl i can give you guys on forums that hit at a good rate all documented and all free. now dont get me wrong i like to look and see who some of these so called good cappers are on from time to time but generally they are scam artists and good marketers ie lang dont be foolish save your cash

[mvp123]

ppl=people abbreviated

[KongKiller]

Don't remember the fight but I'm doing well.

Had a great 2009 and hope for a repeat in 2010.

How's it going with you?

I'm doing good man, 09 was my most profitable year system betting and following Bookie Bill's slick bets. Lets get that cash again in 2010!

[GotWood?]

i think its ridiculous to pay for any service period. if you want to follow ppl i can give you guys on forums that hit at a good rate all documented and all free. now dont get me wrong i like to look and see who some of these so called good cappers are on from time to time but generally they are scam artists and good marketers ie lang dont be foolish save your cash

You can't lump all Capper's by using Lang. Let's be real here, if these people were that good, they would be making money and a living selling their picks. Anybody, says otherwise, is full of s***. How many people do you see in here that give their plays in here, then go and try and start a service? Everybody is a great at picking games and nobody ever loses until they put up or shut up and have their games out in the open. Big AL was an attorney, but has that left because, he makes enough to do what he does best. Who wouldn't want to be that good?

As to why pay for a service? You get what you pay for. If you're gonna decide to use a service, you want to get the games as soon as they come out and get the best lines. I won't name names, but somebody's service was posted in here, every other couple of days, well he started the year on fire, his plays then were posted daily and he got rocked, now a majority of the people missed out. You're putting your bankroll in the hands of you hoping somebody shows up and posts them. A good example, somebody's early games were posted and then nothing for a few hours, well he lost the early card and by the time the plays were posted, non service member missed out on the Gonzaga game.

Personally, I don't mind paying cause I know I can't win betting every day, sure I'll have good weeks, but there will be more bad. The way I look at it, even if the service doesn't make me money, it's saving me a whole lot of money by me not playing my own games, even after shelling out the service fees.

[Steeve]

My only question is: how much did it cost, and which capper paid 1st and Ten to start this thread?

[WeJammin!]

I'm looking for an all sports service that is going to improve my handicapping / has solid writeups, etc - any suggestions.

[drewdown88]

This is probably the most comical statement ever posted in this forum.

The only thing more INSANE than paying for someone else's picks is to do so knowing you can get them for free right here.

When taking the fees these guys charge for their selections into account, I would be surprised if even 10% of them wind up in the black at the end of the year.

Just like with the financial markets, its foolish to rely on someone else to make money for you. Either do the research yourself or don't risk your hard earned money.

This is the best advice anyone can give.

It has to be someone's job for anyone who does enough research to have already went over 100 units in college b ball. I tail a guy that has achieved it and for even the little dollar amount i put on my unit price, iv'e mad my money back plus a new flat screen, all new power tools, and lots of play money. For someone who actually has a regular 9-5 job and does the amount of research to be as successful as pro cappers for one isn't married nor socializing with the opposite sex. I'll gladly pay and cash in. And that 10%, yeah i he's got that covered

[PAULYPOKER]

My advice if you have to by plays to succeed you are in the wrong business

[Willie Bee]

There's nothing he can do if people don't post the write-ups.

There's really nothing he can do period.

Most of the services are just heavy marketers and analysts but when it comes to beating the book, they simply sucks

Here, here. Even a thread like this one could be a marketing ploy.

1st and ten, do you post Ferringo's plays as soon as you get them or do you wait a while to drive your point home?

[dulm1204]

too many cappers picks from this forum to choose from