[ratnerjl]

Saw it on another site so not sure the units

N.Tex-.5
Calf-13.
Cal St Ful-1
N.Arz+4
Weber St-4
Hof-1.5
James Mad+11
Virg Com-9.5

[owl]

All one unit.

[betting]

More plays than usual. Beware, he may be chasing. He's lost 6 of his last 8 plays.

[escoot]

There are 116 games today! Biggest Saturday of the year in terms of volume of games, there better be lots of good plays

[jacksonjohn]

North Texas opened at a pick and has only moved 1 pt. Don't understand the -5 you posted

[milne1510]

Jacksonjohn, north texas was -.5, as in half a point.

[wino]

Just lost his total over 149 VCU. 148 final. NC Will. couldn't get it going.

[spippen]

great pick on the side with UVC -9.5 though.

[InTheDrink]

RAS has 19 plays today? Am I reading that right?

Seems fishy.

[InTheDrink]

Yeah thanks I saw it on his site so I knew it was right....just seems unusual for RAS.

Hey I hope he hits but it seems like WAY too many plays.

Sides so far: 2-5

Totals: 3-2

[InTheDrink]

Yeah...let it be known I'm a fan.

Thanks for the heads up.

[Spanks]

wow..chasing and more losses...better hire some more people cheapo to pick games for you...

[Johnny 55]

10-9, not sure what your definition of chase is but the guy plays games where he thinks he has an edge. It is hard to say someone is chasing or being reckless when they only play smaller conferences in college sports and in college football only play the first 8 weeks of the season, I think by definition his service is disciplined. The myopic view expressedo over and over again on this board is that one bad day or one bad week is the end of the world because people have no money management skills. His season long record speaks for itself and if you are looking for quality in any field just follow the money. I dont see any of the other experts on the service play forum moving lines upon the release of their plays, so if the books who book all of our action move it and put their money behind it, do you not think that RAS has an inherent edge.

[badweiser]

Yesterday was the biggest ncaab card of the year, a large card from ras was expected. So to all the critics.........F O

[InTheDrink]

Yeah thanks I saw it on his site so I knew it was right....just seems unusual for RAS.

Hey I hope he hits but it seems like WAY too many plays.

Sides so far: 2-5

Totals: 3-2

Nice little 5-1 finish to end the day including the Hawaii game being under the closing line by 32 pts lol.

Let's hope RAS' cool streak on sides is a thing of the past. The total plays have remained pretty solid throughout.

[majord]

He was 6-6-1 on sides yesterday and 4-2 on totals.

He was red hot until December 13th and has been flat since - losing a net 1.4 units including juice.

From Dec 13th thru yesterday

Sides 22-24 -4.4 net
Totals 13-9 +3 net

Year-to-date still a very solid +26 units with 55.3% in sides and 62.1% on totals

[Willie Mays]

10-9, not sure what your definition of chase is but the guy plays games where he thinks he has an edge. It is hard to say someone is chasing or being reckless when they only play smaller conferences in college sports and in college football only play the first 8 weeks of the season, I think by definition his service is disciplined. The myopic view expressedo over and over again on this board is that one bad day or one bad week is the end of the world because people have no money management skills. His season long record speaks for itself and if you are looking for quality in any field just follow the money. I dont see any of the other experts on the service play forum moving lines upon the release of their plays, so if the books who book all of our action move it and put their money behind it, do you not think that RAS has an inherent edge.

a) he is no longer moving lines on his side plays.

b) one cannot have "an edge" in 13 games. I do not care how many games were on the card.

c) he is obviously throwing spaghetti against the wall to see what sticks. Darn, his clients have paid for the season, why not?

d) he should stick to totals only.

Willie Mays

[jimmymo]

a) he is no longer moving lines on his side plays.

WRONG

b) one cannot have "an edge" in 13 games. I do not care how many games were on the card.

WRONG

c) he is obviously throwing spaghetti against the wall to see what sticks. Darn, his clients have paid for the season, why not?

To me, this statement reminds of a famous quote by Abe Lincoln..."It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than open one's mouth and remove all doubt."


d) he should stick to totals only.

Edward is stronger at totals, but his sides still provide an edge to his clients.

Willie Mays

End of Story

[Willie Mays]

Lmbao

[Johnny 55]

He moves lines on every play, just look at the board, this is simply fact. How can somene not have value in 19 plays. What if he released those plays over a week, would you have a problem with that. What is the difference, where he sees value, he releases the play, how is this so hard to understand. He is 60% on sides and totals combined this year regardless of how you feel about him, this is fact. He is hardly a flash in the pan either as previously documented results prove, so what is the problem Willie Mays, you hate him because he is good, I dont get people like you, you have no evidence, you just spew nonsense all day.

[BigPappa]

I don't mean to jump in here, but I've had people say the same things about my plays. But the simple fact is this: NO capper moves the lines when they release his picks. The very notion of it is absurd.

For college basketball, for example, the prime line movements are between 11:20-11:45 am EST each day and then again around 12:10-12:30 pm EST. That also just happens to be the time when most cappers release their picks.

Now, RAS clear know what he/she/it/they are doing. Good, solid capper. Now, good solid cappers are generally going to be on the "sharp" side most of the times so they are generally out in front of the line movements. But to link the two and say that lines are moving BECAUSE RAS or ANYONE (don't care what capper it is - Lang, Doc, Lawrence, Steele, etc. - no ONE person moves lines) is just not true and not accurate.

Again, this happens to me at Doc's all the time. We even changed our release time on our college hoops picks this year (from 11:30 to 1 pm EST; although just about everyone on our site still releases at 11:30) to try to combat just this phenomenon. The issue being that we release our picks at 11:30. Well, that just happens to be right around when the lines are moving the most. So someone releases a pick, the line moves a point like five minutes later, and then clients call/email in and think we're being shady because the lines are off. And most times (4 of 5 probably) they are moving away from what we posted.

Perfect example: yesterday at 11:25 the line on the ODU/George Mason game was at -3.5 or -4. Noon tip, so I did my writeup and posted my pick at 11:30, having not checked the line in the last three or four minutes before I posted. Well, the line steamed to -6.0. Now, it didn't move because I posted a pick. It moved because of all of the action, collectively, throughout the industry on ODU.

Anyway, long way to make a simple point: no one capper moves any lines. Ever.

Total Nonsense. RAS Moves lines. You don't. Is that what has got your goat?

[Spanks]

Ras wake up...time for some picks...15-20 plays today?

[Willie Mays]

Guys,

Take a look at his grid for yesterday's side plays. Do you call that moving lines? I certainly do not.

Willie Mays

[Johnny 55]

Oh Willie, People buy back after they unload initially, it doesnt change the fact he moved the lines. It also doesnt change the fact that he has massive line value on 95% of his plays.

As for Robert Ferringo's post- It is clearly the dumbest thing I have ever heard and just completely inaccurate. RAS releases his plays at many different times during the day and they always move. It is just a magical coincidence that every totals play he releases moves 3-4 pts. immediately, or is it just because of the time of day he releases it.

The sheer stupidity of Ferringo's post makes me question if he has any clue at all.

[Willie Mays]

Oh Willie, People buy back after they unload initially, it doesnt change the fact he moved the lines. It also doesnt change the fact that he has massive line value on 95% of his plays.

WRONG

So why do his total plays not have the same bounce back?

Incidentally, do you work for RAS?

Willie Mays

[Johnny 55]

Ferringo, you are so painfully wrong it is humorous. I just dont think you have any clue whatsoever. I dont work for RAS, but I have made thousands of dollars, not just from his plays but from hitting them as soon as he releases and selling back. Not sure what to think of someone who doesnt think he moves lines. The second he releases the play on his page, the line moves at every book, with totals, it gets taken off the board for a few minutes. There is bounce back on his totals and on his sides. If you dont subscribe and get the numbers right after he releases the best strategy is to wait 5 minutes before each game starts and play them as people sell back their initial position.

Ferringo- As for your strange assertion that a sportsbook manager has someone who sits in these forums and moves the lines, they are way ahead of that. I think Edward would tell you that most sportsbooks actually pay the subscription so they can move immediately on his releases.

This forum is so strange sometimes, hundreds of people will pay money to a guy like Ferringo who plays basketball teasers and thinks RAS does not move lines and that is a mere coincidence he has positive line value on 99% of his releases but they call out people who simply point out facts as working for RAS. I dont work for RAS, he can defend himself, I just point out the facts, they are out there for anyone who wants to do the research.

[spippen]

Finally someone put in a post that is so obvious it is hard to believe it took this long, or hard to believe all the theories behind RAS totals and the line movement. It is very simple, if RAS has been dominate with the totals over the years, especially on "obscure" games as someone put it, then YES, of course sportsbooks subscribe to his service, they research EVERYTHING, and won't allow themselves to be at a disadvantage ever.

[Saab]

ferringo, in response to your comment about ras moving lines.

at 10:50 am eastern time, pull up the ras website. it will give a preview of how many side or total plays there will be that day.

at 11 am, watch the lines on your board. there will be a movement at about 11:02 am every day ras releases plays. that happens to be the time edward releases... this will continue at about 4 minute intervals until all the plays are released.

there is a reason edward at RAS has invested in a private website for subscribers where a countdown timer goes down to 0 and the play is released to all clients at the same time across the internet. he moves the lines, and you on average have about a 30 seconds after the release to get down on the original line.

if you don't believe me, sign up for a day or a week or whatever. it is pretty amazing to watch, especially at the beginning of the season when his first totals were being released and the books panicked and moved lines huge amounts...