[russwlms]

dec 12 LA LAKERS (a) (v2)

[905prodigy]

so is consistency the same for v2 as it is v1? like winning the series wise

[Joey10]

Here is what came in the mail today but I do not see how there is a V2 game today.

First, congrats on two huge wins with Portland and Golden State
last night! I loudly declared to you my vow last time that December
9th would be the day to mark down on your calendar as your massive
upcoming payday, and boy, with a look over the scoreboard I'm sure
you realize that I was dead serious!

By the way, my v2.0 NBA system users cashed in on another v2.0 play
last night as well! I'm sad that you missed out on that Steve

Now, I have some good and bad news for you Steve.

The bad news is, there are absolutely no v1 NBA system plays til 12/14!

The good news is, there are a bunch of v2.0 NBA system bets to make
between now and then! As a matter of fact, there's a v2.0 NBA
system play going on TODAY (12/10) that you don't want to miss Jesus!

Can anyone clarify a game today?

[jaws]

Joey, I can verify that Boston is v2.0 play today. Good luck

[whutchuwant]

Here is what came in the mail today but I do not see how there is a V2 game today.

First, congrats on two huge wins with Portland and Golden State
last night! I loudly declared to you my vow last time that December
9th would be the day to mark down on your calendar as your massive
upcoming payday, and boy, with a look over the scoreboard I'm sure
you realize that I was dead serious!

By the way, my v2.0 NBA system users cashed in on another v2.0 play
last night as well! I'm sad that you missed out on that Steve

Now, I have some good and bad news for you Steve.

The bad news is, there are absolutely no v1 NBA system plays til 12/14!

The good news is, there are a bunch of v2.0 NBA system bets to make
between now and then! As a matter of fact, there's a v2.0 NBA
system play going on TODAY (12/10) that you don't want to miss Jesus!

Can anyone clarify a game today?

I have a complete list of both V 1.0 and 2.0Attachment 9017 no game till the 12th

[clownpuncher]

so boston is not a play????

[100Dimes]

Im confused too, it clearly says there's a v2.0 NBA
system play going on TODAY (12/10) in that email you posted

[atlplayer]

although it says that in the email, you have to be careful with him because he uses that as a marketing tool to get you to sign up now. Then, the play would be cancelled for some reason.

[dogs1972]

Boston plays Washinton (eastern) and Chicago (eastern) and then then Memphis (western). So this doesnt qualify for a V2 play. Its just a marketing email. No plays today.

[clownpuncher]

thank you dogs!!!!!!!!!

[100Dimes]

I have a complete list of both V 1.0 and 2.0Attachment 9017 no game till the 12th

whuchwant, Is this grid setup for just the starting dates of the A bets? I noticed Nov. 30 has the pacers as both B and C, but no A ever listed...Do you fill in the next games as you go along? As well whats the deal with a few red X's and the rest black, any signifigance there? Just curious, appreciate the grid, just a little confused on reading it...Thanks man

[100Dimes]

NM Im assuming the x's represent points in sequence of the ABC in which the team covered, still curious about the red black x's though

[Skanedogg]

I am new to this site. Boston is a V 2.0 play tonight. His caveat is that Boston has the best road record in the NBA, so it increases the risk of the chase.

[100Dimes]

Oh great, here we go again

[Skanedogg]

"Congrats on yet another easy v2.0 NBA winner with Golden State!
We're completely undefeated so far this NBA season with my v2.0 system!
As a customer of my NBA v2.0 system, I want to send you a reminder
of our upcoming NBA v2.0 betting series:
[A] 12/10/09 Boston Thu @ Washington
[B] 12/12/09 Boston Sat @ Chicago
[C] 12/14/09 Boston Mon @ Memphis
Note: Boston has the best road record. This increases the risk for
your wager."

[atlplayer]

He is going against what his system is. Do your homework as this guy just goes against his system multiple times per season.

[Skanedogg]

as i said, i am new to this site, so believe me if you will.

I am a subscriber to his NBA, MLB and NFL picks. JM is generally full of crap. He commonly will stttttrrrrrretttttcchhhh a line to make sure he can call it a WIN. Also, as someone pointed out, he will venture outside the realms of his "filters" to count wins for games that go against his system and will track those wins until he loses one. The fact that he tracks "unofficial series" is BOBO as hell. I have tried everything: overnight lines, watching the public, etc--the only thing that seems to work is not letting him sucker you into a B or C bet after he calls it a win and you get a push or loss. Just chalk it up as a loss and wait for the next one.

That being said, if you manage your bankroll correctly and don't chase a series after he calls it a win (if you lost or pushed) then I think it can work. I have a dedicated JM account and my rule is that i bet 2.6762% of my bankroll on each NBA series. This way if I lose one, I lose no more than 50% of my bankroll. It is slowly growing, but it is growing.

[kertesd]

If your bet A is 2.6762%, whats your bet B? and im guessing your bet C is usually 50%?

[Skanedogg]

No... that's not how the numbers work at all -- JM's martingale math is more complicated than that and the odds complicate it further.

the overall loss for me is less than 50%. this also allow you to be in 2 C bets at the same time.

A bet is to win 2.6267%, risking (-170 odds) 4.54954%.
B bet is to win original (2.6762%) plus A loss (4.54954%), so 7.22574% win, risking (-170 odds) 12.28376%.
C bet is to win original (2.6762%), plus A loss (4.54954%) plus B loss (12.28376%), thus 2.6267+4.54954+12.28376 = 19.5095% win, risking (-170) 33.16615%. if that C bet is a loss, for the chase I have lost 4.54954%(A)+12.28376%(B)+33.16615%(C) = 49.9944%.

The only time you should use the percentage is for the A bet. After that, simply add what you tried to win in the A bet plus what you lost in it and bet to win that for B. For the C bet, add what you tried to win in A plus what you lost in A plus what you lost in B and make that as your "to win" amount.

**it should also be noted that there are times when you can "steal" points in JM's system... such as when your team is a 2.5 point fave--you don't need to buy 3 points in that scenario, just 2 points, so you lay only -150.

I play baseball wit the same percentages. I went back and backchecked the moneylines (and runlines) and found the average line for JM baseball over 2 years to be -158. Playing the same as NBA is a little conservative, but it lowers the risk of getting a HIGH line in game C.

the NFL application seems better. because the underdog lines are always -110 risk in the NFL you can try to win up to 6% in that A bet and risk only 50% of your bankroll. however, when there are favorites, the moneylines are expensive -- so you have to be careful with the percentage at that point. thus, i always try to look at the upcoming schedule and "guess" as to whether the play will be a moneyline fave in one of the three games (such as Houston this week) and I lower the initial bet accordingly. the other problem is that you can tie money up in the NFL for weeks.

[Hpeter]

Great post Skanedogg, very good information.

[puppetm716]

It almost looks like ole JM has added another filter to allow plays against 1 of 3 from the opposite conference. This isn't the first time this appears to be true. Just last week Bos was listed as a v2 play Their schedule was at MIA, CHAR, SA, OKLC. The game against MIA (email) was listed as V2. Then Char (according to his rules) was listed as v2 It just happened Boston won and covered against both Mia and Char.

It just seems like many games could be interpreted as plays.

I don't get v2 but in JM's email I too was told there was a v2 wager today on 12/10. The only possible play it could be is Boston but as mentioned their games are against Wash, Chi and Mem. only 1 of 3 out of conference. Also Boston is the best defensive team which makes their play more risky according to JM.

Best of Luck

[whutchuwant]

Im confused too, it clearly says there's a v2.0 NBA
system play going on TODAY (12/10) in that email you posted

He just says this stuff like a few posts below pointed out for sales. he knows that we share this info and I wont pay him another dime!!!!!

NM Im assuming the x's represent points in sequence of the ABC in which the team covered, still curious about the red black x's though

Color of x's was a spread sheet slip up u could do them what ever color. Somehow it got jacked up

this will explain the 2 x's for the pacers

I want to follow up with you about the [B] bet with Indy last night so
you can be clearer of the situation that happened, and how to proceed.

Depending on when you made your wager for the indiana game, you
could have either won, pushed, or lost on your wager.

The spread opened for Indiana at +2.5, and with the 3 point buy, it
was a nailbiting winner!

Due to the volume of wagers coming in for Indy, the line dropped to
+2, which means you would have pushed on your bet if you caught it
at that spread.

And then line continued to drop after that point, which means at
any time you made your wager beyond the point when the line dropped
further than +2, your bet wouldn't have covered. The later in the
day that you made your bet, the more likely it was for you that you
had caught a worse line.

Some of us won last night after the 3-point buy for Indy, and this
series is now closed. However, it's also realistic that some of us
pushed or lost on the wager as well. However, this is KEY: I want
to emphasize to you that regardless of your result last night with
Indy, the bet for Indiana tomorrow in their game vs. utah is
looking good.

No...let me take that back. The bet on Indiana tomorrow is looking
AMAZINGLY GOOD!

Betting on Indiana again in their game vs. Utah tomorrow (December
4th) is just as if we're winning twice in one series!

Regardless if you had won, pushed, or lost on the bet last night,
you're literally throwing your $$ away if you won't wager on
Indiana again tomorrow!

Other than that, I do want to let you know ahead of time that our
next NBA wager to make under the system will be on December 5th.

See you then!
John Morrison, PhD

[100Dimes]

He just says this stuff like a few posts below pointed out for sales. he knows that we share this info and I wont pay him another dime!!!!!




Color of x's was a spread sheet slip up u could do them what ever color. Somehow it got jacked up

this will explain the 2 x's for the pacers

I want to follow up with you about the [B] bet with Indy last night so
you can be clearer of the situation that happened, and how to proceed.

Depending on when you made your wager for the indiana game, you
could have either won, pushed, or lost on your wager.

The spread opened for Indiana at +2.5, and with the 3 point buy, it
was a nailbiting winner!

Due to the volume of wagers coming in for Indy, the line dropped to
+2, which means you would have pushed on your bet if you caught it
at that spread.

And then line continued to drop after that point, which means at
any time you made your wager beyond the point when the line dropped
further than +2, your bet wouldn't have covered. The later in the
day that you made your bet, the more likely it was for you that you
had caught a worse line.

Some of us won last night after the 3-point buy for Indy, and this
series is now closed. However, it's also realistic that some of us
pushed or lost on the wager as well. However, this is KEY: I want
to emphasize to you that regardless of your result last night with
Indy, the bet for Indiana tomorrow in their game vs. utah is
looking good.

No...let me take that back. The bet on Indiana tomorrow is looking
AMAZINGLY GOOD!

Betting on Indiana again in their game vs. Utah tomorrow (December
4th) is just as if we're winning twice in one series!

Regardless if you had won, pushed, or lost on the bet last night,
you're literally throwing your $$ away if you won't wager on
Indiana again tomorrow!

Other than that, I do want to let you know ahead of time that our
next NBA wager to make under the system will be on December 5th.

See you then!
John Morrison, PhD

Yea I remember that one, I was one of those who actually made my bet at 815 am and still apparently missed the cut on the best line, I didnt follow up the C bc I was too worried of losing more on an unofficial play...Rebounded with Portland last night though, thanks for the sheet again tho, to help keep track of the plays, guess someones gotta post these "unofficial by the system" official plays, such as todays Boston play...I think they prob. can cover the 4.5 but still lil sketched since its steering away from the original format

[Skanedogg]

Another thing about JM that I forgot to mention... a friend and I have a dedicated sportsbook account to JM's plays for NBA, MLB, NFL and WNBA. Last summer we got hemmed into a corner because of the WNBA limits. This specifically becomes a problem with regards to the C bet... for example:

Let's say (facts are not 100% accurate) we initially bet to win $100, and bought the 3 points, risking $170. We lost that A bet, so then bet to win $270 on the B bet, risking an additional $459, which we lost. At that point, we were in for $629 plus the $100 we wanted to win, totaling $729. The problem was, that the hypothetical limits for WNBA was $1200 and for us to complete the chase, we needed to risk $1239. Some sportsbooks will allow you call in and request an increase for a single game. Ours agreed the first time this happened, but denied us the 2nd time and we ended up losing money despite winning the series.

Thus, make sure that you start your A bet low enough so that you do not get boxed into a C bet that causes you to lose money. Our system now is that we wager the amount on A B bets so that we are able to at least break even on the C bets.

[knugen]

The LA bet today is a B bet, right? Johns says is a A bet in his mail!?

[biblos]

I think today are Lakers (2nd) and Pistons .

[Skanedogg]

Lakers and Pistons are an A bet on version 1.0--Lakers are a B bet on version 2.0