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Indiana is not a Morison c bet
Note:
Indiana is not a c bet - again not a c bet
the series was over last night - morisons just picking that they will win
don't play a c amount - just wager normal
the line last night was 2.5 - 5.5 refer to link above
1 more time there is no c bet if you lost - take ur loss and work ur way back
SBR LINK 1 MORE TIME:
http://www.sbrforum.com/Scores/NBA+Odds/20091202.aspx
A 6 or 6.5 pt teaser on indiana and under is good play
both teams are ave 201 together
GL
This is a clear cut example of why the Morrison system really doesn't work and the record he claims is a huge outright LIE.
In addition to coming up with filters to erase real losses, the Morrison system automatically uses the best possible line when calculating results even when that line was not available for a full 12 hours before tipoff.
The line on Indiana v Sacramento was steady at Sac - 1 1/2 for 11 straight hours and only went to Sac -2 right before tipoff and yet Morrison is using a line of Sac -2 1/2 (Sac - 5 1/2 after buying the 3 points) so he can count this series as a win as Sacramento won by 5 points.
Indiana did NOT win the series last night as Morrison is claiming. If you were real fortunate and waited right before tipoff and had access to several different outlets, the best you could have done is squeaked out a push.
Here is the link of the line history for the Indiana/Sacramento game in question:
http://www.covers.com/sports/odds/li...&sport=nba&t=0
After looking at the line history from all the outlets listed in the link, it should be crystal clear to everyone that Morrison and his system is an ABSOLUTE FRAUD.
If Indiana loses to Utah tomorrow by more than the 3 points above the spread, then this series is a loser even though Morrison will be counting it as a win.
Since you have to win 19 out of 20 series at the very minimum to break even using his system, it doesn't take too many situations like this one to see his system really isn't anywhere near as profitable as he claims.
Last edited by andywend; 12-04-09 at 12:37 AM.
ANDYWEND
Take your garbage somewhere else- you lost and thats all
what an idiot the link you have even says:
NBA Line Moves - Basketball Betting Odds
Wed, December 02/09 10:00 PM ET
Indiana vs. Sacramento
Offshore Odds betED Odds (Line) Over/Under (Total) 12/02/09 7:30:10 AM -2.5/-110 (Open)
Dont mislead people here
Your a FRAUD and more i cant say
screw off n go somewhere else you loser
Yep! I was lucky and won the series. I got 2.5 on 5dimes around this time the night before the game.. it started to move the closer to the game it got.. not 2.5 right before tipoff.
I didn't even bet this so I don't know why I'm getting involved, but perhaps you don't see what he is saying. You aren't even paying attention to what you posted. The line at 7:30AM (that's 7:30 in the morning for those of you who are slow) was 2.5. One hour and ten minutes later (that's 8:40 in the morning) it was 1.5.Originally Posted by rayder4gold
What he's trying to say is that unless you bet the overnight line or very early in the morning, you probably lost. At best, you had a push if your book hung a line of 2. What he is also trying to say is that JM will count this series as a win, because he will always use the best possible line in his calcuation even if a majority of his customers lost. It's all about the sales, my good man.
So for the majority of the betting public, if you follow his system and you don't bet overnight lines or get up very early, yes, Indiana will be a C bet.
no way indiana covers... Utah will detroy them haha
I'm going to throw out something here and I very well could be wrong in this case but linesmakers know what they are doing. This line should rightfully be 12-14. They knew that people would be buying the three points to get to +13 at the opener because many people lost the B by the hook. The line is now at 8.5 and even 7 in some cases. So you've got a ton of people now buying to 11.5 or 10 paying -170 or greater. The books have you right where they want you - playing into juiced up lines.
The smart play here is to play Utah or even buy 3 points on Utah. Utah -5.5 or -4? Where do I sign?
Rayder4gold,
I don't use the Morrison system and had no action whatsoever on the game.
Clearly, you are some sort of paid hack for John Morrison and his system as there is no justifiable reason why you would take such offense to my post if you were simply a bettor that uses his system.
The only way Morrison should be counting the above game as a win is if he ALWAYS (without exception) uses the opening line in his result calculations.
Can you testify that this is the case?
I repeat, if the Morrison system has ever used a line other than the opening line when calculating his results, then HE ALONG WITH ALL THE PAID HACKS LIKE YOURSELF WHO PEDDLE THIS WORTHLESS SYSTEM ARE ABSOLUTE FRAUDS!!!!
El Capitan, since you seem like a reasonable guy and knowing I will never get an honest answer from that nutcase Rayder4gold, does Morrison ALWAYS use the opening line when calculating his results for his system? If, on even one occassion he has used a line different from the opening line to calculate his system results, then any sane person would agree that the man and his system can NOT be trusted.
andywend
Did you pay the small fee to learn his system??
im guessing not since you asked "does Morrison ALWAYS use the opening line when calculating his results for his system?"
its like watching a movie and noy reading the book - not the same but arguing the book when you didnt read - no wonder you lose or dont know what ur doing.
Noone said you have to play his system.
I do not a paid hack - ive been playing morison for a few years now - no loss - thanks to him i bought a new truck last mlb and more.
I just dont need someone bad mouthing his system that knows nothing about it and then it snowballs
TY
Don't really care about whats going on this thread but here is what that douche, JM sent me about the Indiana series:
I want to follow up with you about the [B] bet with Indy last night so
you can be clearer of the situation that happened, and how to proceed.
Depending on when you made your wager for the indiana game, you
could have either won, pushed, or lost on your wager.
The spread opened for Indiana at +2.5, and with the 3 point buy, it
was a nailbiting winner!
Due to the volume of wagers coming in for Indy, the line dropped to
+2, which means you would have pushed on your bet if you caught it
at that spread.
And then line continued to drop after that point, which means at
any time you made your wager beyond the point when the line dropped
further than +2, your bet wouldn't have covered. The later in the
day that you made your bet, the more likely it was for you that you
had caught a worse line.
Some of us won last night after the 3-point buy for Indy, and this
series is now closed. However, it's also realistic that some of us
pushed or lost on the wager as well. However, this is KEY: I want
to emphasize to you that regardless of your result last night with
Indy, the bet for Indiana tomorrow in their game vs. utah is
looking good.
No...let me take that back. The bet on Indiana tomorrow is looking
AMAZINGLY GOOD!
Betting on Indiana again in their game vs. Utah tomorrow (December
4th) is just as if we're winning twice in one series!
Regardless if you had won, pushed, or lost on the bet last night,
you're literally throwing your $$ away if you won't wager on
Indiana again tomorrow!
Other than that, I do want to let you know ahead of time that our
next NBA wager to make under the system will be on December 5th.
See you then!
John Morrison, PhD
Rayder4gold,
I don't use generic systems in my betting let alone pay for them.
I especially avoid any system that involves buying multiple points and chasing losses and the Morrison system contains both of those elements.
There have been many instances where the final result of Morrison system games fell right on or within a point of the spread (spread plus the 3 bought points) and in those cases Morrison always uses the best line when calculating the results.
I'll ask you the same question I asked earlier:
Does Morrison ALWAYS use the opening line when calculating his results? If the answer is no, then I would be interested in hearing how he comes up with the spread used in calculating results as NBA spreads move more than any other sport.
As far as the Indiana/Sacramento game is concerned, while the line did initially open at Sac - 2 1/2, that line was only available for a small amount of time a full 24 hours before the game started. On the day of the game, that line was NEVER available at any outlet and he should NOT be counting that game as a win for his system.
Once again, I have NEVER placed a single wager on a Morrison system play as buying 3 points and paying the inflated -170 or -180 juice is a negative expectation play.
Last response andy
TY for admitting not buying morrisons package - shows iq arguing something you know nothing about - and you said you dont play it
So why are you here - why do you care - why are you voicing ignorance about someone else
what happens to a line when everyone is on same team? what sports book does he recommend and why? what 1 home work is required before placing wager? If you new the high for the day was +2.5 then what is the problem - why didnt you get the +5.5?
oh yah "Once again, I have NEVER placed a single wager on a Morrison system play" Thats why you will never be winner but always a whiner!!! Please show your ignorance and answer the questions for all to see how stupid your ignorance really is.
"I would be interested in hearing how he comes up with the spread used in calculating results as NBA spreads move more than any other sport." Buy the book im not gonna train you or give you a free ride - their are people following me and i help them because - well - their not you
Nite dumbas?
I bet at 2 different books. One let me bet overnight, the other didn't. Some of us are sharp enough to get our bets in ahead of time and some of us did win, so you are wrong andywend. Just because you didn't get your bet in on time doesn't make someone a fraud. It was known 2 days in advance, by all who bet the system that Indy was a B bet. The fact is, it was a winner, but the book you chose didn't make that an option. Sounds like the real problem is the book you are using. Regardless, the bet still won, and it should be a C bet tonight, although I did not receive any notice from JM that it is a C bet so I'm staying away. Just because it's mentioned here, doesn't make it true.
OR just wait and let the public do its job and fade it...
There is a lot of tension in this thread. You need to stop the fighting and enjoy life, as it is very short.
I don't pay for this either, but it is widely known that he does use the best line if/when possible. So the answer to your question Andy is yes when appropriate. It also states whenever there is a push to move on from that "series" Regardless, many people have done well with it, and obviously defend his system. But this doesn't mean they respect or defend JM the person. He is a liar, there is no doubt everything is about marketing. To clarify his name picture and PHD degree are all marketing. He went heavy into affiliate marketing with BetUS which skews his system lines is also well known. This is all preaching to the choir though because most know it has all been rehearsed before.
From Morrison on C bet
I want to follow up with you about the [B] bet with Indy last night so
you can be clearer of the situation that happened, and how to proceed.
Depending on when you made your wager for the indiana game, you
could have either won, pushed, or lost on your wager.
The spread opened for Indiana at +2.5, and with the 3 point buy, it
was a nailbiting winner!
Due to the volume of wagers coming in for Indy, the line dropped to
+2, which means you would have pushed on your bet if you caught it
at that spread.
And then line continued to drop after that point, which means at
any time you made your wager beyond the point when the line dropped
further than +2, your bet wouldn't have covered. The later in the
day that you made your bet, the more likely it was for you that you
had caught a worse line.
Some of us won last night after the 3-point buy for Indy, and this
series is now closed. However, it's also realistic that some of us
pushed or lost on the wager as well. However, this is KEY: I want
to emphasize to you that regardless of your result last night with
Indy, the bet for Indiana tomorrow in their game vs. utah is
looking good.
No...let me take that back. The bet on Indiana tomorrow is looking
AMAZINGLY GOOD!
Betting on Indiana again in their game vs. Utah tomorrow (December
4th) is just as if we're winning twice in one series!
Regardless if you had won, pushed, or lost on the bet last night,
you're literally throwing your $$ away if you won't wager on
Indiana again tomorrow!
Other than that, I do want to let you know ahead of time that our
next NBA wager to make under the system will be on December 5th.
This sounds like a political thread...andy, early bird gets the word. I had no problem getting 5.5 on the last game. Also, read the letter Morrison sent. That doesn't count as a win! What is your beef bro??
if i encounter the same situation, i will tease that shit up with a big fav. on top of that, it is way better than putting up -170 which most people cant anyways
Last edited by johncrud; 12-04-09 at 08:46 AM.
But at the same time Morrison tells you to wait on underdogs and buy early on favorites. So basically all the people that waited were doing the right thing and got screwed in the long run.
CHICAGO -2½-110 (B+7)
INDIANA +14-110 (B+6)
-130
lock and load
if i saw this coming, i could have got INDIANA +16 yesterday. no mofos is going to beat ind by 15.. utah is crippled because all of their starters are out.
Last edited by johncrud; 12-04-09 at 08:50 AM.
[quote=andywend;2685293]This is a clear cut example of why the Morrison system really doesn't work and the record he claims is a huge outright LIE.
In addition to coming up with filters to erase real losses, the Morrison system automatically uses the best possible line when calculating results even when that line was not available for a full 12 hours before tipoff.
The line on Indiana v Sacramento was steady at Sac - 1 1/2 for 11 straight hours and only went to Sac -2 right before tipoff and yet Morrison is using a line of Sac -2 1/2 (Sac - 5 1/2 after buying the 3 points) so he can count this series as a win as Sacramento won by 5 points.
Indiana did NOT win the series last night as Morrison is claiming. If you were real fortunate and waited right before tipoff and had access to several different outlets, the best you could have done is squeaked out a push.
Here is the link of the line history for the Indiana/Sacramento game in question:
http://www.covers.com/sports/odds/li...&sport=nba&t=0
After looking at the line history from all the outlets listed in the link, it should be crystal clear to everyone that Morrison and his system is an ABSOLUTE FRAUD.
If Indiana loses to Utah tomorrow by more than the 3 points above the spread, then this series is a loser even though Morrison will be counting it as a win.
Since you have to win 19 out of 20 series at the very minimum to break even using his system, it doesn't take too many situations like this one to see his system really isn't anywhere near as profitable as he claims.[/quote
I have to agree with you on this I am a paid suscriber and pushed, but of this there is no doubt.
MORRISON USES THE BEST LINE FOR THE DAY TO DETERMINE WHETHER HE WINS OR LOOSES.
Depending on what time you buy the points determines if you get a W or L.
THIS IS A FACT NOBODY CAN SAY THIS IS NOT TRUE.
I lost a series in the WNBA this year and what do you think he will do when he sells his system next year? He will tweak it make you pay $125, and say "MY SYSTEM HAS NEVER LOST A SERIES"
andywend you need to chill out. Obviously when you're making bets for money you better be trying to find the best line possible. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with that. The system works, and unless you've personally used it yourself over the last few years you shouldn't be putting out nonsense claims like that.
hey its John Morrison Lan Nguyen (saro7) or affiliates of his-
what do u say Saro7? what should the line be at tonight?
Post plays, discuss plays. That's what this forum is for. Otherwise take your petty bickering to the Private Zone.
