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    anyone that is charging for picks can not in any way pick over 55% when picking many diffrent sports it just cant happen. Perhaps 1 or 2 but no more its to much work. Anyone telling you diffrent is full of B.S.

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    most touts are losers.. they claimed that they wager by the thousands or 100 units is only for enticement or to pursure people to join. what i find funny is that some are charging only 60 bucks and yet they are winning thousands of dollar in profit just doesnt seem to add up

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    For them, it's risk free money. They get paid when they win, and don't get paid when they lose (if a guaranteed pick). To make picks, they flip coins.

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    We had a legit sports service monitored by the Sports Monitor in Oklahoma about 15 years ago. We picked winners and had happy customers. We were gambling anyway and really enjoyed it and got to be friends with some of our customers. Some of the services are legit and will make ypu money. I have made some great money with some. Special K Sports used to be amazing.

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    the best service now would be fading brandon lang. this guy loses 1000 dimes each year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillardoh View Post
    anyone that is charging for picks can not in any way pick over 55% when picking many diffrent sports it just cant happen. Perhaps 1 or 2 but no more its to much work. Anyone telling you diffrent is full of B.S.
    Wow, you got any other pearls of wisdom? You only gotta look at the BS in the emails or the Youtube lang vids to realise that. LLXC I think to generalise and say they flip coins is a bit harsh.

    One day an honest & sincere service will come along and blow all these shit talking fools out of the water, there's just no need for it, I saw someone describe Morrison a 'good marketeer' of the system that apparently isn't originally his (who cares?), I say the huge amount of utter crap that comes along with his emails is off-putting more than anything and makes you instantly question their honesty

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    Guess it's better than what they use to do...sell different people both sides to guarantee $.

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    Some touts are viable, you just have to decipher which ones. Also, paying for picks individually is just a no win proposition because unless your unit size is $1,000, you cant burden the cost. It is really not that hard to distinguish the frauds from the good cappers. Simple formula of money management, reasoned logic, and just listening to them if they are on radio shows or such. If you cant tell an intelligent person after listening to them speak than you shouldnt be betting in the first place.

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    Wall Street is full of the same thing. They take people's money and "invest" it into mutual funds and such and could care less if you make or lose money cause they win either way. Most of them are losers BUT make money because they get paid on how much they collect from the fools giving it to them, NOT on performance. This business is no different than any other. Crooks are all over so take in upon yourself to make the right decisions.

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    Over the short term many service relase more than one or two picks and do average around 60% on the other hand many average below 50% so overall it would be impossible to average more than 55%. I have made lots of money betting football, over the years, and would suspect my average is around 57%. I primarily go against the public, bet a lot of dogs and avoid favorite teams or players. It's a tough business but it is possible for individulal touts to average over 55%, they are hard to find but they do exist. One key is to go with the ones that are hot and avoid the ones that are cold. Most service do run hot and cold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillardoh View Post
    anyone that is charging for picks can not in any way pick over 55% when picking many diffrent sports it just cant happen. Perhaps 1 or 2 but no more its to much work. Anyone telling you diffrent is full of B.S.
    This is false. There is definately money to be made in gambling sports. 95% of people fail mainly due to poor money management, chasing, or following "locks." You can find a solid handicapper that hits 55-58% over the long haul in several sports and if follow the picks religiously throughout the season, you can make money. I like it when a handicapper specializes in only a couple different sports, however. I will never follow a guy again that caps NHL, NFL, NCAAF, NBA, NCAAB all at the same time, and comes out with Tout titles for every game (Millionaire pick, Big 12 Game of the Century, Afternoon Annihilator, etc)...and I see plenty of cappers on the net that do this.

    EDIT: Oh and, it takes money to make money. You can not safely turn $1k into $5k without being risky and lucky. However, you can turn $10k into $15k every season if you management your wages correctly. You have to be able to sustain the hot and cold streaks, as they both will come at some point in the season.
    Last edited by PhatBaztard; 12-03-09 at 09:03 AM.

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    Run as fast as you can in the other direction if you see any of those words!!!!

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    I believe the winning percentage needs to be seen in light of what type of lines are being bet. For example, in baseball or hockey, someone betting favorite money lines can have a winning percentage of 60-65% and still LOSE money. Conversely, I have seen a hockey service, SportsPunter, that only played underdogs; with a 45% winning percentage, they made money. There are also some services that have a pick of the day and with only one play, the winning percentage can be pretty high. One service I used to see a lot of, but not so much lately, is PureLock, who had a CFB season where he went 14-0 a couple of years ago.

    Even with that said, over 55% is possible at -110 lines. From what I have seen, the Win or Lose track record is legit. Over the past four months (1500+ picks), they have hit over 58%, though they do play some high money lines (and a couple of dogs as well) so see the comment above. Win or Lose has put up a lot of detail about their picks. You can now see the picks broken down by sport as well as day, and in NFL they have hit over 62% with over 150 picks; that's pretty impressive.

    I used to think bankroll increase was the most important test, but some services have very risky money management recommendations, where they might double your money in month, but you also have the possibility of losing everything! Like Morrison showing his betting slips for $10K wagers (which, of course, won). Were those wagers 7% of his bankroll like the example he gave out, or were they 1% of his bankroll?

    A couple of services (SportsPunter and Win or Lose) use Return on Investment (ROI) calculations to measure how they are doing. I find that approach very interesting.

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