[Emily_Haines]

RAS CBB Totals Client:

Over the last year we have seen sportsbooks reduce limits on CBB totals, take CBB totals off the board during release, attempt to subscribe to the RAS service so they could move lines quicker, force people to call in to bet on CBB totals, or shutdown accounts all together who were winning on CBB totals, all of which has made it more difficult for clients to get action on RAS plays before the lines move.

In light of these tactics we are contemplating offering the CBB totals service to a private group of no more than 25 people for the 2009-10 season at a significantly higher subscription rate. This will be a big drop from the 200+ clients who had access to the CBB totals service last season.

We would like to gauge potential interest for this type of service and encourage hearing any questions, comments, or feedback.

We will be making a final decision by October 15th.

Thanks for your time,

Edward
Right Angle Sports

[Reload]

Interesting - dont know if that business model will work though

[jcygts6]

anyone want to split memebership so we can get this plays and make big $$$$$

[falcon22]

This will not solve the problem of the lines moving. Sportsbooks buy Edward's package under assumed names. I dont think he has any way to stop this. It is not his clients moving the line, it is the books. 10K will not stop them. The service is still successful even at the adjusted lines.

[ShakenBake44]

thats way to much for a service !! they are out of there mind, y do dey care if the line moves, im sure they put the wager in before they release to their customers...

[Durden]

marketing, they will still sell it to 200 peeps, if they can

[19th Hole]

Originally Posted by Durden

marketing, they will still sell it to 200 peeps, if they can

Exactly. Durden hit the nail on the head.
Edward is a tireless promoter.

[yisman]

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/240478-if-touts-frauds-coin-flip-how-do-you-explain-message-ras.html

[Edward-RAS]

Originally Posted by 19th Hole

Edward is a tireless promoter.

Horribly false statement here.

Do you have any facts or information to support this claim?

[Edward-RAS]

We understand that the lines will still move quickly, but we are hoping that conditions will improve from last year as opposed to getting worse. We also hope we can keep undesirable parties from accessing the picks by only offering the service to clients who we have some amount of familiarity with or come well referred to us.

[joey]

Originally Posted by Edward-RAS

We understand that the lines will still move quickly, but we are hoping that conditions will improve from last year as opposed to getting worse. We also hope we can keep undesirable parties from accessing the picks by only offering the service to clients who we have some amount of familiarity with or come well referred to us.

Hey Edward

congrats on your fabulous start this year. I have been a paying client until this year since its so hard now to get down at the good number. I had the system down and was able to fire away at a couple of spots until they put a delay on my account.

Your information is great but its to hard to get down at the right number. Its a crap shoot to hope the number comes back to play.

Perfect example last night fresno / hawaii game i waited it out and money came in on over and i was able to bet under 59.5 where you released at 58.5. That doesnt happen often.

I would love to pay and get your info, but as your aware the games eventually show up in the forums and its then a wait and see.

Best of luck and continued good luck

[Edward-RAS]

Originally Posted by joey

Hey Edward

congrats on your fabulous start this year. I have been a paying client until this year since its so hard now to get down at the good number. I had the system down and was able to fire away at a couple of spots until they put a delay on my account.

Your information is great but its to hard to get down at the right number. Its a crap shoot to hope the number comes back to play.

Perfect example last night fresno / hawaii game i waited it out and money came in on over and i was able to bet under 59.5 where you released at 58.5. That doesnt happen often.

I would love to pay and get your info, but as your aware the games eventually show up in the forums and its then a wait and see.

Best of luck and continued good luck

Thank you, and I completely understand. These are all precise reasons as to why we are taking the CBB totals service private this season.

[ComputerNut]

I have been a paying client for several years and cannot afford this kind of sub price. As some have said I do not beleive this will solve the problem. However if you decide to go private with the CBB I will not pay for your other sports. I managed to make profit from your picks even with the sportsbook adjusted price. If your ask 10K for your CBB one would have to bet $500 or better per game to hope to profit. In any case good luck with what ever you decide and thanks for you past profits.

[saviola80]

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[Skalatharx]

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[sam in so cal]

great year last year - best of the last 10 years. seemingly trying to leverage the success while they have momentum. can't blame them for trying to strike while they have the opportunity. pay 10,000 and RAS reverts back to their average of +11 units, you're probably going to come up short.

playing $1000 units (not sure what most house limits are for CBB) - you need them to be above their 10-year average to break even. this, of course, doesn't factor in your time or the time value of the $10,000 you pay now and don't fully recoup until march 2010.

[Willie Mays]

Mr. Edward,

I'm playing devil's advocate here:

- I am wishing RAS much success but just suppose you have an "off" season. What would you do next year? Try to get your old clients back at a reasonable rate as in the past? Don't you think they would be disinterested since you made your service cost prohibitive this year?

- What is to prevent 15 to 20 books from subscribing, moving lines accordingly and reaping the benefits? You've earned your money anyway, so you would not care, but the other clients will get the short end!

- Have you factored in that even with 25 clients your plays will end out in most Service Threads anyway? Then one could simply buy the points back to your suggested total. It has to be more cost beneficial for Joe Public to do this than subscribe for $10,000 (I'm referring to the nickel and dime player).


Wishing you success,
Willie

[Edward-RAS]

Originally Posted by sam in so cal

great year last year - best of the last 10 years. seemingly trying to leverage the success while they have momentum. can't blame them for trying to strike while they have the opportunity. pay 10,000 and RAS reverts back to their average of +11 units, you're probably going to come up short.

playing $1000 units (not sure what most house limits are for CBB) - you need them to be above their 10-year average to break even. this, of course, doesn't factor in your time or the time value of the $10,000 you pay now and don't fully recoup until march 2010.

The CBB totals is the service in question, and it has only been active for the past two seasons, producing an overall record of 249-167 (59.85%) for +65.30 unweighted units.

[Edward-RAS]

Originally Posted by Willie Mays

Mr. Edward,

I'm playing devil's advocate here:

- I am wishing RAS much success but just suppose you have an "off" season. What would you do next year? Try to get your old clients back at a reasonable rate as in the past? Don't you think they would be disinterested since you made your service cost prohibitive this year?

We clearly feel we have a very big edge on CBB totals, and have the record/win margins/closing line value to prove it. With that said, anything is possible, and we will continually evaluate the service and make decisions accordingly.

Originally Posted by Willie Mays

- What is to prevent 15 to 20 books from subscribing, moving lines accordingly and reaping the benefits? You've earned your money anyway, so you would not care, but the other clients will get the short end!

A big part of limiting the number of clients is that it gives us much greater control as to who has direct access to the plays. We already have more than 25 clients interested in the service, and we will be giving preference to those who we are most familiar with and/or have been with us the longest.

Originally Posted by Willie Mays

-- Have you factored in that even with 25 clients your plays will end out in most Service Threads anyway? Then one could simply buy the points back to your suggested total. It has to be more cost beneficial for Joe Public to do this than subscribe for $10,000 (I'm referring to the nickel and dime player).

As alluded above, we expect to be dealing with clients who have been with us awhile and can be trusted not only not to sell information to sportsbooks but also see to it that plays do not get posted on forums. Having made a significant investment in the service, it will be in their interest not to do so as well. With this new format it will be much easier for us to investigate any leaks should there be any.

[DaTruth10]

$10,000 for 59.85%???LMAO this must be a joke hahahahahahaha

[Edward-RAS]

Originally Posted by DaTruth10

$10,000 for 59.85%???LMAO this must be a joke hahahahahahaha

Sorry, but if you cannot appreciate or understand the value of a 59.85% win rate on over 400+ plays, the joke is on you.

[Willie Mays]

Originally Posted by Edward-RAS

A big part of limiting the number of clients is that it gives us much greater control as to who has direct access to the plays. We already have more than 25 clients interested in the service, and we will be giving preference to those who we are most familiar with and/or have been with us the longest.



As alluded above, we expect to be dealing with clients who have been with us awhile and can be trusted not only not to sell information to sportsbooks but also see to it that plays do not get posted on forums. Having made a significant investment in the service, it will be in their interest not to do so as well. With this new format it will be much easier for us to investigate any leaks should there be any.

...and you really believe that not one of your "selected" 25 will split the fee with nine others and not a one will leak it to a Service Thread, especially when the approximate 60% players always make the Service Threads? Okay, believe it if you want.

WM

[Edward-RAS]

We'll see, but we have a heck of a better chance of stopping it with 25 well selected, well invested clients, than we do with 225+ random public access.

[ebbearsfb1]

where did u get 10,000 from ? seems extremely pricey for like someone said 59 percent.... im sure u could charge 5,000 and u'll still make ur money....

[Edward-RAS]

Originally Posted by ebbearsfb1

where did u get 10,000 from ? seems extremely pricey for like someone said 59 percent.... im sure u could charge 5,000 and u'll still make ur money....

The market (supply and demand) dictates the price.

[19th Hole]

Originally Posted by Edward-RAS

The market (supply and demand) dictates the price.

Shameless.

[Edward-RAS]

Originally Posted by 19th Hole

Shameless.

What is shameless?

[Willie Mays]

Mr. Edward,

The contradiction is that you are already defending your actions, not that you have to, in a forum that routinely posts your plays. I guess I am still stuck on how I will get your plays in the future without paying. I, for one, would like to bet you, say $10,000, that your plays will continue to be posted in Service Threads, whether here or somewhere else.

Willie Mays

[Edward-RAS]

Originally Posted by Willie Mays

Mr. Edward,

The contradiction is that you are already defending your actions, not that you have to, in a forum that routinely posts your plays. I guess I am still stuck on how I will get your plays in the future without paying. I, for one, would like to bet you, say $10,000, that your plays will continue to be posted in Service Threads, whether here or somewhere else.

Willie Mays

I'm obviously not interested in betting a stranger $10k on that type of bet, but I am fairly confident that we will at least have more control over who is able to access the plays, and they likely will not be posted in forums as regularly or as often as they have in the past.

[sam in so cal]

my apologies. i am extremely analytical, so before jumping to conclusions, i reviewed the information i thought was relevant from your website. apples-oranges it seems. good luck to your continued success.

[luigi]

it will be interesting to see how this pans out. there's probably big time players who wouldn't think twice about paying 10k for these picks... the question will be whether or not the plays can stay private which is doubtful

[saviola80]

If RAS will close his service for public it is a good news for Helmut (sportmemo). He produce almost same results in cbb totals and cost 1500$ for full season or 1000$ until end of December. Many RAS clients will move to him. I am a loyal RAS client but can't afford 10000$ for season and not familiar with him so it is my decision to leave him and buy a Helmut CBB package.

[ebbearsfb1]

10,000 only will work for big time bettors, the average person won't be able to do that... supply and demand???? i know all about it, and unless u show me a little math of how u used supply and demand to get 10,000 im calling bullshit.. u just pick the number that u felt was best for u. either way good luck... 60% for 10,000 haha

[komatsu]

Originally Posted by saviola80

If RAS will close his service for public it is a good news for Helmut (sportmemo). He produce almost same results in cbb totals and cost 1500$ for full season or 1000$ until end of December. Many RAS clients will move to him. I am a loyal RAS client but can't afford 10000$ for season and not familiar with him so it is my decision to leave him and buy a Helmut CBB package.

I too do not want to pay $10k for CBB picks. Have you every had Helmut CBB package? Is his record true at 60%?

[joey]

My 32c on this subject.

First of all Edward/Ras has no reason to have to defend itself
and its actions to an open forum.

I think it was very positive for them to hear the feedback they
received.

Ras is a business, they can do what they want to do with the data
they work and supply. Its no different then if you were Oracle or another
software or business provider. It is the customer/consumers option to
pay for it or not. If you choose to invest or not as i have said in the past
in this forum, you have to treat sports gaming like it is a business.

As i read the replies here and in other parts of this forum it is quite apparent
that 95% of this board contains recreational bettors.. meaning people that
bet to bet, people that have no concept of the business or what it takes to
be a winner at this game.

Anyone that would complain about a winning % of 59% over 1 year, 5 years or
longer is not a true sports investor or anyone that should be gambling with anything other then monopoly money.

I am not currently a RAS subscriber but have been in the past. I am not here
to support anyone one way or another. BUT....many of you need to truly
understand the business and what is involved until then you will never win over
the long haul.

If your willing to just throw money away call a local charity and send it to them
at least you can get a tax write off..

Many will read this and think I am a ass....thats fine and expected.

I also treat my sports like it is a business with complete documentation and a
complete log of my past 5 years plays in all sports. I know how much i have won
the past 5 years and my win % is slightly above 57 %. How many of you have
any idea what your numbers are over the past week/month ?

I wish RAS and everyone the best of luck. Its a business start treating it as such