[khaden]

Everyone of us on this post are idiots. Everyday we log on here looking for the hot play of the day and the hot capper and what happens-they are all on the same play and it freakin loses.

Games of the year, game of the month, the capper who claims to hit 80% and the clowns who split their picks into 20 categories so they can inflate their numbers and hide their losses. Day in and day out its the same bullshit. We all know these clowns have no integrity and are probably getting kickbacks from books and the casinos. We all know the ones that refer you to the off shores so you get the little piss as bonus when you join. How much do you think those scumbags are getting. Or better yet--do you think those scumbag touts might be contacted by those same books and be "persuaded" to put out a particular play to balance shit out from time to time.

Just like the idiot who put out rice on saturday night. Between mlb and college football there were about 100 games on the board not to mention money lines, half times, over unders, run lines etc. And the best play this clown (a so called professional) could come up with is rice who is 0-3 playing an sec team--are freakin kidding me.

If we would consult among ourselves we all know we could hit 60% and turn a profit and put these pukes out of business. They are simply betting with the money they get from us.

How many of these clowns were on arizona last night and carolina tonight? I was on arizona last night and i knew before i put the bet in i should have been playing indy--but the "professionals" were on the cards so i thought they must know something i don't--bullshit. For those on carolina tonight sorry--the more of these clowns that i read putting out carolina the more i knew dallas was the play.

I am done following these f%$*#heads. An old timer once told me "don't put good money on bad teams--there are too many good teams that will always play hard for you- those are the ones you put money on".

[dise-pa]

amen u got it down to a tee "four" scam how about the ones who call and ill give u plays for 50 dollars and then their other goof calls from the same co and asks for 100dollars hahahasuch moroons cant take it anymore im the KING OF FREE and they suck ive been following for 16yrs how about jack price he was convicted has a rap sheet and tryed to come back as cory black heard about that one

[PaulieO]

I basically posted this same thread yesterday. Glad others see it the same way.

[bigjonson]

Sounds like khaden had a really bad night.

The bottom line is that you have the option NOT to purchase and NOT to listen.

You can't cry about bad advice because it does not have to be taken.

While scamming is a part of life in every industry and every corner you simply cannot cry about it.


To avoid all this nonsense simply do not play.

Otherwise dry your tears, man up and make some plays.

Keep in mind I agree with what your saying 100% but the problem here is that you do not have to listen and the fact is that "YOU PLACE THE BET"

So in the end "YOU ARE WRONG" not them.

You have the choice to weigh in your selection however you see fit. Fade/tail/consensus it doesn't matter, at the end of the day:

YOU MAKE THE CALL.

[PaulieO]

Or you can say **** these idiots altogether and learn how to cap your own games. I find it comical when I come in here and see a post that says..."So and so 40 dimer...anyone have this?" and the thread begins with..."can someone get it if not." Absolutely comical, but also absolutely ridiculous! Get a life, learn the sport you're betting on and learn how to cap it yourself.

[peeiempee]

BigJohnson makes good points. Every capper has bad streaks just like anyone else. Sometimes all of them together. The cappers have no control over the game, players, penalties, missed FG, 2 fumbled punt returns or 2 pick sixes. Football in general was not good for me this week either. Bottom line is cap your own games if you can't stand losing tailing someone's picks. Vegas would be out of business if people can hit even 58% consistently.

[peeiempee]

Or you can say **** these idiots altogether and learn how to cap your own games. I find it comical when I come in here and see a post that says..."So and so 40 dimer...anyone have this?" and the thread begins with..."can someone get it if not." Absolutely comical, but also absolutely ridiculous! Get a life, learn the sport you're betting on and learn how to cap it yourself.

Paulie, I never posted anything like this. But in the defense of the people who post these or follow the touts, it is their choice how they want to bet. I myself have have been following touts plays and so far up over 16gs in less than a year. Gambling is streaky. There is one time I went 3 weeks without losing and I lost the whole weekend and yesterday. Just let people bet the way they do, don't insult them because that's their decision. Another thing is that this is a Service play forum, which you post here quite regularly. Actually your only posts are in this forum. There is a NFL forum for those who have a life, know the sport and know how to cap it themselves.

[Gman269]

Of course we are all idiots. We are degenerate gamblers. tomato/tomato. I dont know how much of what you say is true but I can tell you this. Whenever I have a couple dimes in my account,my phone rings off the hook with service touts. Where do you think they got my number?

[clappen]

so bottom line..... prove me a good capper who have made big profit and got a high % win, so i can follow him, instead of posting tons of fail-cappers on this site.

[joey]

again my 63cents

I read the stuff in these forums and it just makes me crazy.

Do people honestly just bet to bet.

I have been a serious sports and horse player for 24 years now im 48.

You have to treat this like a business if you have any chance of winning
in a week, month or over the long haul.

This business takes alot of time, effort and understanding of what is going on

Do people really just sign on to forums, look for someones plays and wager
hard earned money on them not knowing a thing about the game other then
the line ?

If that is the case I would recommend to those types of recreational gamblers to just find a favorite charity or a garbage can and throw your money there.

The hotels in vegas just keep going up, bigger and bigger and the money comes from the recreational gambler that sits at the blackjack table or whatever table and throws 5, 10, 20 bucks or more away without a clue as to what he is doing.

Same applies to sports.. ever been to vegas and sat around the sports book and watched the guy sitting there sweating out every play, clapping and screaming when his team makes a play or 5 yards !! , smoking like a fool, and then betting so he can get free drinks while watching the game.

You have to realize sports wagering has to be treated like a business if you
want to make money at it. If you just want to be a recreational player and dont
care about the money you will never ever win.

Good Luck to all, just amazes me what i read in these forums

[clappen]

ok, joey, you have been playing for 24 years you say. I guess you've made some profit of it, otherwise you wouldnt be doing it still. Who is the best handicapper whom i should follow? And ofcourse i mean in the long haul, not just over the night.

[bigjonson]

ok, joey, you have been playing for 24 years you say. I guess you've made some profit of it, otherwise you wouldnt be doing it still. Who is the best handicapper whom i should follow? And ofcourse i mean in the long haul, not just over the night.

If he does not say "himself" at this point then I would think something is very wrong.

[joey]

your bankroll is to small to be a smart ass

[joey]

so bottom line..... prove me a good capper who have made big profit and got a high % win, so i can follow him, instead of posting tons of fail-cappers on this site.

Clappen,

As i have stated in this forum for the past 6 years i have followed ONE capper.

pictured to the left.

You need to do much research and find someone who you trust. The Capper i pay doesnt always win. I don't always bet his plays. I have a 6 year log on every play made every day, I am able to see his strengths and his weakness. When his games are released then the final research begins whether or not i play the game, wait for line changes or pass. My capper does all his own work I have been following him for almost 20 years but his games only became available for purchase 6 years ago.

I can only recommend that you do research, call and talk to people, and then if you decide to pay someone for the plays then understand why your are signing on,
and dont just bet the game cause it was sent to you. Understand why you are playing it, why he is selecting it.

Much much work goes into this business. My guy i do not play his totals. he has a 47% win rate in totals in all sports over the 6 years. Do the work, spreadsheets are easy to setup, make notes, and one of the most important things is when the game is over win or lose, check out the box score see how the game played out and if your capper was correct in his analysis.

You can have the right side and still not win your wager. Example last night my capper played over in houston-phily baseball game... The main handicap was the bad form of Houstons starting pitcher and the bad matchup against the phily lineup

He won the bet Houston 8-2 !! houston pitcher pitched well.....wrong cap but a winner...

It goes both ways..

Good Luck

[peeiempee]

so bottom line..... prove me a good capper who have made big profit and got a high % win, so i can follow him, instead of posting tons of fail-cappers on this site.

There's no way I can PROVE a good capper who will make BIG profits and HIGH % in the FUTURE. If I did, don't you think I will bet the farm, the kids, the wife and the cow and become the owner of Vegas by the end of NFL season?! I can tell you that Doc, Burns, Redd, and Ferringo are all solid cappers that have shown consistent profits over the years or else I won't be following them. Thing with follow touts is that you need to chose a tout and follow them through the long haul. Judging by the tone of your post, you want instant winners week after week who NEVER lose. It doesn't work that way there are gonna be bad weeks.

This is ONLY week 3 of the NFL, there's 14 more weeks and playoffs left. Don't start bashing all touts for 1 bad week, or 1 GOTY where you bet way too much on. If the tout has a good track record in the past, bet him again next week and the week after. He should rebound. If having a bad weekend or losing a couple of plays gets you all worked up then maybe you should stop betting.

The last paragraph was not directed at you, but to all the people who have been getting all upset and going crazy making posts.

[clappen]

peeimpee, i know, but what I was looking for was wheater capper X or Y is better or worse. I read sbr forum everyday, and others also, and even if i thought Burns och Malinsky was solid cappers, another guy on the forums could tell me the opposite, to fade them whatever they pick. I know that winning takes alot of time and a capper can have a bad week, i just wanted confirmation of WHO of them is the best, not for the first week of NFL, preferably for the hole season.

[peeiempee]

Doc's record: 2008 - +49 units 2007 - +80 units (verified as their group always keeps legitimate stats

Burns: (might be a bunch of hype, but standing tall so far)
Over the past six seasons, Ben has made more than 500 NFL selections, hitting greater than 58% of them: 290-210-14 (+59 net games) giving him an NFL record that is unmatched by anyone in the industry. In fact, competing against well over 100 of his peers, Burns ranks as the top professional NFL handicapper in the history of the Bigguy Sports Monitor!
Ben Burns is widely recognized as being the "King of NFL Totals". Ben went 24-12 on his over/under selections in 2003, bringing his documented record on NFL totals to an incredible 84-41 (67.2%) since 1999!

Redd: Past record? But pretty hot so far until last weekend

[Joe Sharp]

These threads make me laugh for a few reasons. One of them is when guys say "the only way to win is to cap your own games"... really? Look, this simply isn't for everyone. You can't just get online with a pen and some paper and "cap" your own games.

Not all touts do what is described in posts above. Don't get me wrong I agree with most of what you've written in regards to the guys who make $$ from online sites, etc... However, that is a bit unfair to the legitimate guys out there. and there are quite a few.

Making money is this business comes down to PATIENCE, DISCIPLINE AND MONEY MANAGEMENT. If an average person followed KELLY CRITERION to the T and followed Burns, Malinsky, Docs and maybe the VR/BookieBill duo -- they would absolutely profit long-term.

Khaden and Co... you can NOT deposit $100 or $200 in an account, pick a tout and put the whole thing or 50% or even 25% on one play and hope to make serious money. It simply doesn't work that way. I propose you do some research, read about money management and REALISTIC #'s in the betting world -- if you can live with the expectation of hitting 55% and grinding out some profit then GREAT. Otherwise it's simply not for you. A professional would be happy with 55-60% long-term. Yet the guys on here expect every tout to hit EVERY play --- NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

Sorry for the rant and sorry for making so many assumptions.... Good Luck

[joey]

These threads make me laugh for a few reasons. One of them is when guys say "the only way to win is to cap your own games"... really? Look, this simply isn't for everyone. You can't just get online with a pen and some paper and "cap" your own games.

Not all touts do what is described in posts above. Don't get me wrong I agree with most of what you've written in regards to the guys who make $$ from online sites, etc... However, that is a bit unfair to the legitimate guys out there. and there are quite a few.

Making money is this business comes down to PATIENCE, DISCIPLINE AND MONEY MANAGEMENT. If an average person followed KELLY CRITERION to the T and followed Burns, Malinsky, Docs and maybe the VR/BookieBill duo -- they would absolutely profit long-term.

Khaden and Co... you can NOT deposit $100 or $200 in an account, pick a tout and put the whole thing or 50% or even 25% on one play and hope to make serious money. It simply doesn't work that way. I propose you do some research, read about money management and REALISTIC #'s in the betting world -- if you can live with the expectation of hitting 55% and grinding out some profit then GREAT. Otherwise it's simply not for you. A professional would be happy with 55-60% long-term. Yet the guys on here expect every tout to hit EVERY play --- NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

Sorry for the rant and sorry for making so many assumptions.... Good Luck

couldnt agree more with this post.... its a grind, getting the right number is as important as anything....having your disciplines in place and the patience to work through a losing streak or cycle.

I always tell the story of money management vs expectations.

you can go to the bank right now and get a quarter of 1% on your
deposits. Yet if you have a bankroll of 200 dollars and were at the black jack
table and you won 40 bucks and increased your bankroll to 240 thats a 20% gain
cant get that at any bank or savings plan !!

Yet greed sets in that " its only 40.00.....no its 20%