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    Default Using closing line value to determine if a handicapper wins....

    Closing Line Value

    This is determined by taking the difference between a line on a bet/pick when it is made and comparing it to what the line is when the game starts.

    Example: RAS released North Texas/Ball State Under 59.5 Wednesday at 1:40pm PST. The closing line for this game was 54. Closing line value +5.50.

    This "closing line" is considered to be the most accurate line, since all available information, opinions, and money bet have been factored in to it. In general bettors with the most past success and best resources are going to win the most, and bet the most, therefore influencing the line the most. If you are consistently getting a better line than what the closing line is, you are very likely to be a long term winner, simply based on the math value of what each point is worth.

    This is one method used by sportsbooks to identify "sharp" action. It is also used by professional gamblers to measure prospects of a handicapper. This is a great tool that the general public does not utilize enough when choosing a handicapper or service to follow, in contrast to short term records, misleading hype, inflated use of units, fraudulent win rates, and other deceptive marketing tactics that seem to garner so much attention and put money in the pockets of undesirable services.

    Comparing 50 plays from any handicapper against the closing line will tell you a lot more about the handicapper than wins and losses from the same group of plays. When looking at small sample sizes it is difficult to determine if the record was a result of luck, variance, or skill.

    Over the past 12 months, RAS has produced closing line values rarely seen by handicappers available to the public:

    In 2008, RAS college football picks beat the closing line by an average of 2.65 points per pick. Sides by 1.18 points per pick, and totals by 3.39 points per pick.

    In 2008-09 RAS college basketball picks beat the closing line by an average of 1.63 points per pick. Sides by 0.50 points per pick, and totals by 2.54 points per pick.

    One might say that this line movement caused solely due to us releasing the play and our followers betting it. This is true to a degree, but moving the line is one thing, holding the movement until game time is another. If the line movement created a soft line in the view of the market, opposite action would come on the other side to correct it before game time, and it sometimes does.

    Pros and Cons of Line Movement

    Pros: If you place a bet in the morning at pick'em then check back later in the day and see it is at -2.5, not only are you very likely to be sitting on a +EV (expected value) play, but you now have the option of hedging a portion of your bet to go for a middle (bets at pk and +2.5 would both win if the game lands on 1 or 2). This added value will actually improve the odds (lower the juice) on your original bet and require a lower win rate to show profit.

    Example: If you place a wager on Team A (pick'em -110) $1100 to win $1000 early in the day, then later you are able to bet Team B (pick'em +120) at $500 to win $600, you would now be risking $500 to win $500 on team A and essentially erasing the juice. Bets like this would move your break even point from 52.5% (at standard -110 juice) to a much easier 50%.

    Cons: The obvious con of such line movement is that you have to place bets quickly and you may not be able to bet as much as you would like to.

    I know many will see this as a plug for RAS (and it is) but I hope that many will learn about the concept of closing line value and utilize it when deciding on which handicappers to follow.

    Questions and comments are welcome.


    Edward

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    Not a single comment on this? Should this have been posted in one of the discussion forums?

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    in general this is the best way to determine if a capper wins or loses daily sports(nba). The major exception would be football where a capper specifically could release a play on tuesday to his clients at 46 knowing that by gametime the total might be 40. It is tough to say that if the game ended at 42 that capper lost, when in actuality that capper won with his released pick.

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    It has been my experience, at least with Ferringo, that his lines (especially totals) are off EVEN at time of release so measuring this would be ambiguous at best. Ferringo suggested that he takes the average of all lines. I could get some of his totals but I am not going to pay -135 for an OVER/UNDER.

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    And as a side note (obviously you have a vested interest in the capper you cite)---Right Angle Sports has an excellent reputation as a service play provider both on and off of SBR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lillefty View Post
    The major exception would be football where a capper specifically could release a play on tuesday to his clients at 46 knowing that by gametime the total might be 40. It is tough to say that if the game ended at 42 that capper lost, when in actuality that capper won with his released pick.
    How would the handicapper know that the line would move from 46 to 40? He would have to be highly skilled to be able to predict that type of movement. That would be a very good indication of handicapping ability.

    As far as the win or loss, the handicapper can only be graded vs a widely available line at time of release.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InTheHole View Post
    It has been my experience, at least with Ferringo, that his lines (especially totals) are off EVEN at time of release so measuring this would be ambiguous at best. Ferringo suggested that he takes the average of all lines. I could get some of his totals but I am not going to pay -135 for an OVER/UNDER.
    If the handicapper is not using lines that are widely available at time of release, then the honesty/integrity of that handicapper and all of his records should be brought into question. This is a critical aspect of any handicapper/client relationship.

    At RAS, we use a very conservative widely available line at time of release. If there are five books with 54 and six books with 54.5, we will still use 54 for an UNDER.

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    Well Edward....I am sure you are familiar with Robert Ferringo and DocSports. Integrity? They set the industry standard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward-RAS View Post
    How would the handicapper know that the line would move from 46 to 40? He would have to be highly skilled to be able to predict that type of movement. That would be a very good indication of handicapping ability.

    As far as the win or loss, the handicapper can only be graded vs a widely available line at time of release.
    a solid capper will look at weather forcasts 1st thing if they hear about a major storm coming to an area. If they can use that as an angle that is really smart way to go.

    there could be a weather pattern moving in or a snowstorm in the northeast as an example. Like 2 weeks ago when the remnants of tropical storm danny went up and down the east coast those games dropped 3 or 4 points in totals. In DC it didn't rain cuz the storm had already passed by the time the game started but it could happen.

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    Sorry, I have heard the name, but I am not familiar with him. I don't mean to speak negatively, but if it is true what you said, that his lines are off sometimes, even at time of release, then this sounds like a problem that needs to be addressed and is not my idea of integrity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lillefty View Post
    a solid capper will look at weather forcasts 1st thing if they hear about a major storm coming to an area. If they can use that as an angle that is really smart way to go.
    Getting information (weather, injuries, or other) before the market and using it to your advantage is great. The handicapper should be commended for providing that value. I don't think it changes any of the points I was trying to make?

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