[petermans23]

Does anyone have any experience with SIS Group (SportsInvestingStrategies), used to be called Plus Line Sports?

They claim to make 240 units profit every year.

Since 1st of March-31st of May 2012, they have had 66 picks with 36 WINS, 27 LOSSES and 3 PUSH. With an average odds of 1.82 they are up +2.52 units.

So that is 3 months of their membership service results.

The remaining 9 months must produce 237.48 units then to meat that 240units/year standard.

They claim that their average odds is 2.1 but that is impossible to get even if you would have the top 50 sportsbooks. The average of their picks in reality during the 3 months march-may 2012 is 1.82.

Anybody else have any experience with their Soccer Betting Master Service?

And they are claiming that their MLB system is making at least 50 units profit every season with a win rate of 70%.

Anybody know how much profit they are up this season on their MLB system 2012?

I know that they started their MLB system 2012 with 1 unit bet on the run line and 2 units bet on the moneyline. Then for some reason they suddenly changed that system to only bet 5% of your bank on every pick at the money line.

Also it is very difficult to get access to their earlier results because you can´t just download them from their homepage. You have to write in you email adress every time, but when you do it says that you are already subscribed to their email list and therefore can´t get access to their results. A kind of "Catch 22" situation.

I have pointed that out to them many times but have not received any answer back from them.

The site is run by two honorable men named Frank Belanger and James Dodson.

Anybody heard of them and/or have had any experiences earlier with them?

[Jacobyy]

SCAM

You will be lucky to break even

3 months and up 2 units is a great run for them!!

[cmaulsby]

I subscribed last fall for the soccer picks and they are all that they say they are....at least in soccer. I made quite a few bucks up until April or so and then they hit a rough patch barely going 50%. In MLB they have been awful this season - quit tailing their plays about Mid-May and by the looks of it, they have gotten progressively worse. I do recommend the soccer for the European leagues in the Fall and would lay off the MLB for a bit until they get right.

[Costar]

SIS recent result
MLB May 30	WASHINGTON (29 - 19) at MIAMI (27 - 22)	Washington	loss
MLB May 30	ST LOUIS (27 - 22) at ATLANTA (26 - 24)	St Louis	loss
MLB May 30	KANSAS CITY (19 - 28) at CLEVELAND (27 - 21)	Kansas City	winner
MLB May 30	DETROIT (23 - 25) at BOSTON (24 - 24)	Detroit	loss
WNBA May 29	TULSA (0 - 3) at LOS ANGELES (3 - 1)	Tulsa +15	winner
NBA may 29	OKLAHOMA CITY (55 - 21) at SAN ANTONIO (59 - 16)	Under 202.5	loss
MLB May 29	CINCINNATI (27 - 21) at PITTSBURGH (24 - 24)	Pittsburgh 105	loss
MLB May 29	SEATTLE (21 - 29) at TEXAS (30 - 18)	Texas-175	loss
MLB May 29	MILWAUKEE (19 - 28) at LA DODGERS (32 - 15)	LA Dodgers-140	loss
MLB May 28	Detroit at Boston	Boston-130	winner
MLB May 27	KANSAS CITY (17 - 27) at BALTIMORE (29 - 17)	Baltimore-130	loss

[winslow9675]

Thanks for posting the results.

[petermans23]

Thanks Costar!

On their homepage they claim all these big profits and great results.

Unbelievable.

When I used another emailadress than my usual I finally received an answer to my question about how I could get access to their latest results.

Their answer was and I quote "We have the file being converted to another program(other than excel) by a third party"

[winner4me]

I have been there a short time. MLB totals 7-2, soccer, 5-2, WNBA 5-1.

All I know

[brainy smurf]

Weren't these the guys that would release -1000 soccer games & brag about their great record?

[Ironman07]

If you search you will see they changed sites name to move away from bogus records... scam all the way

[winner4me]

Opinions vary.

Working for me so far....

I will be the judge for myself rather than people that post in public places with no accountability.

I was enticed by another sports service months ago to post negative comments about a competitor into public forums, and in exchange I would receive a discount on future services.

This industry is full of crap like that.

That's how it is.....HOW IT REALLY IS.

How do I know this? Because I have worked as a moderator for a forum years ago.

Typically losers that have not stayed the course with a service will post negatively in forums, as will those that have been enticed with rewards for doing so.

People pay for service, fail to follow it from beginning to end, then blame the sports service.

Most forum participants wont post picks from sports services with the service name attached to it when they are winning, or great picks that they have paid for because they dont want many others to follow...in fear that if too many follow and win, that the sportsbook will restrict them in some way... of course, unless they are promised rewards for posting positive picks and attaching a service name to them.

Believe nothing you read in a venue where there is no accountability.

Trust only what you experience for yourself.

Forum info is great for entertainment, but that's just what it is...entertainment, and nothing more.

[Bettowin23]

Scam outfit!!! Run, Forrest, Run!!!!!

[camelbreath$]

Opinions vary.

Working for me so far....

I will be the judge for myself rather than people that post in public places with no accountability.

No offense buddy, but I consider people with 2 total posts the very 'people with no accountability' you described.

[camelbreath$]

petermans23, when a service has poor record keeping, questionable profit claims and a number of people vouching that it is a scam site, it's probably best to just stay away. Not worth your time or money, but that's just my opinion

[brainy smurf]

what's great about this forum is you can search for previous posts


http://forum.sbrforum.com/sports-promotions-links/1595883-sportsinvestingstrategies-com-record.html#post13924895

[winner4me]

So new members are not welcome to post here at SBR? I will be sure to pass the word if that is the case.

I'm sorry, I missed that in the rules and regs I read upon signup.

And all new members are not to be trusted and are unacountable? I'll make that note as well.

Also, about the earlier thread discussing -1000 odds...not since I have been there. Here is my record, taken from my spreadsheet that I keep on my wagers.

I dont see any odds less than +100, with most higher than this. Is that a problem of some kind?

What I see is 56 games, +10.88 units, average odds of +114.05...profit of 19%. Of course, there are those disrespectful folks that will have something to say about my results. Don't really care, but I think unless you are actually in my shoes placing my wagers, then perhaps it is best to keep the pie hole shut.

Belarus Vysshaya League	6/27/2012	Neman	Bate	2.16	116	$ 116	PROFIT
South Korea National	6/27/2012	Suwon	Chunnam	2.18	118	$ (100)	LOSS
Argentina Primera	6/28/2012	Rosario	San Martin	2.17	117	$ 117	PROFIT
Peru Primera	6/28/2012	Universidad	Sporting Cristal	2.07	107	$ 107	PROFIT
South Korea National	6/29/2012	Gimhae	Incheon Korail	2.25	125	$ 125	PROFIT
Sweden Division 1 Norra	6/30/2012	Vasby	Sandvikens	2.2	120	$ 120	PROFIT
Australia NSW Premier	6/30/2012	Marconi Stallions	Parramatta Eagles	2.15	115	$ (100)	LOSS
EURO 2012	7/1/2012	Spain	France	2.13	113	$ (100)	LOSS
Sweden Superettan	7/2/2012	Umea	Landskrona Bois	2.28	128	$ 128	PROFIT
Sweden Allsvenskan W	7/3/2012	Tyreso	Goteborg	2.04	104	$ 104	PROFIT
EUFA Europa	7/3/2012	Vikingur Gota	FC Gomel	2.15	115	$ 115	PROFIT
EUFA Europa	7/5/2012	Jagodina	Ordabasy	2.27	127	$ (100)	LOSS
Club Friendly	7/6/2012	Plez	Cluj	2.12	112	$ (100)	LOSS
Canada Soccer League	7/6/2012	Toronto FC	Serbian White Eagles		2.16	116	$ 116PROFIT
Japan J League	7/7/2012	Kashima Antlers	Omiya Ardija	2.33	133	$ 133	PROFIT
Norway Tippeligaen	7/7/2012	Honefoss	Brann	2.13	113	$ (100)	LOSS
Canada Soccer League	7/7/2012	Montreal Academy	Mississauga	2.28	128	$ (100)	LOSS
Finland Veikkausliiga	7/9/2012	Turku PS	FC Honka	2.09	109	$ 109	PROFIT
Euro U19	7/9/2012	Portugal U19	Greece U19	2.23	123	$ 123	PROFIT
EUFA Europa	7/10/2012	JK Nomme Kalju	FK Khazar Lenkoran		2.05	105	$ 105 PROFIT
South Korea K League	7/10/2012	Jeonbuk Hyundai	FC Seoul	2.19	119	$ (100)	LOSS
Finland Kakkonen	7/11/2012	Hameenlinnas Harma	P-Iirot	2.22	122	$ (100)	LOSS
Peru Primera	7/11/2012	Leon De Huanuco	Cobresol	2.05	105	$ (100)	LOSS
UEFA Europa League	7/12/2012	Budapest Honved	Flamurtari	2.2	120	$ 120	PROFIT
UEFA Europa League	7/12/2012	FC Gomel	Vikingur Gota	2.05	105	$ 105	PROFIT
South Korea K League	7/12/1012	Ulsan Hyundai	Jeju United	2.17	117	$ 105	PROFIT
UEFA Europa League	7/12/2012	FK Celik Niksic	Borac Banja Luka	2.14	114	$ (100)	LOSS
Sweden Division 1 Norra	7/14/2012	Akropolis	Vasalund/Essinge	2.07	107	$ (100)	LOSS
Australian Brisbane Premier	7/15/2012	Brisbane	Eastern Suburbs	2.03	103	$ 103	PROFIT
Finland Veikkausliiga	7/15/2012	FC Honka	FF Jaro	2.2	120	$ 120	PROFIT
UEFA Champions League	7/17/2012	New Saints	Helsingborgs	2.07	107	$ (100)	LOSS
USA Major League Soccer	7/18/2012	NY Red Bulls	Chicago	2.08	108	$ (100)	LOSS
Peru Primera	7/18/2012	Garcilaso	Sport Boys	2.12	112	$ 112	PROFIT
UEFA Europa League	7/19/2012	Moura	CSKA Sofia	2.11	111	$ (100)	LOSS
UEFA Europa League	7/19/2012	APOEL	Senica	2.04	104	$ (100)	LOSS
Malaysia Premier	7/19/2012	Pahang	Kadah	2.1	110	$ 110	PROFIT
Australian Brisbane Premier	7/20/2012	Redlands	Rochedale	2.1	110	$ (100)	LOSS
Club Friendly	7/20/2012	Werder Bremen	Energie Cottbus	2.02	102	$ 102	PROFIT
Irish Premier League	7/20/2012	Shamrock Rovers	Bray Wonderers	2.1	110	$ (100)	LOSS
Club Friendly	7/20/2012	Club Brugge	Getafe	2.09	109	$ (100)	LOSS
Danish SAS League	7/20/2012	Silkeborg IF	AC Horsens	2.04	104	$ (100)	LOSS
Club Friendly	7/21/2012	Ajax	Manchester United	2.1	110	$ 110	PROFIT
Estonian Meistriliiga	7/21/2012	Narva	Sillamae Kalev	2.36	136	$ 136	PROFIT
Ukrainian Premier League	7/21/2012	Tavria Simferopol	Metallist Kharkiv	2.03	103	$ (100)	LOSS
Japan J2 League	7/22/2012	Matsumoto Yamaga FC	Fagiano Okayama	2.05	105	$ (100)	LOSS
Moldovan Divizia Nationala	7/22/2012	FC Dacia Chisinau	FC Zimbru	2.4	140	$ 140	PROFIT
Swedish Superettan	7/22/2012	Falkenbergs FF	Halmstads BK	2.15	115	$ 115	PROFIT
Romanian Liga 1	7/23/2012	Steau Bucarest	Concordia Chiajna	2.25	125	$ 125	PROFIT
UEFA Champions League	7/25/2012	Dinamo Zagreb	Ludogorets Razgrad		2.12	112	$ 112PROFIT
Czech Gambrinus Liga	7/27/2012	FK Jablonec	Banik Ostrava	2.23	123	$ 123	PROFIT
Club Friendly	7/27/2012	Fiorentina	Verona	2.02	102	$ 102	PROFIT
Chile Primera League	7/28/2012	Antofagasta	Universidad Catolica		2.06	106	$ (100)LOSS
Kazakhstan Premier	7/29/2012	Sunkar	Pavlodar	2.15	115	$ (100)	LOSS
Armenia Premier	7/29/2012	Ararat Yerevan	Shirak Gyumri	2.02	102	$ (100)	LOSS
Estonian Meistriliiga	7/30/2012	FC Levadia Tallinn	FC Kuressaare	2.02	102	$ 102	PROFIT
Olympic Games 2012	7/31/2012	Canada Women	Sweden Women	2.28	128	$ 128	PROFIT

[Bettowin23]

Best of luck, my friend, but these guys are scammers. Been there and done that with them!!!! Summer of 2009!!!

[winner4me]

Just so that I understand, you are saying that because you did not make a profit during your visit 3 years ago that is cause I cannot make one?

[Bettowin23]

No, You may win shorttem with these guys. They changed their stragegies like I change socks. They posted bogus records. They flat out SCAMMED!!! PERIOD!!

All I am saying is I know they are a scam outfit. Scammers can get hot just like anyone else. Once I knew they were scammers, I was done with them.

[Bettowin23]

You have 4 posts and you come into this forum an expert on a known scam site??????

Shilling ain't easy when some of us old timers see the garbage that some people post!!!!

[Bettowin23]

I had forgotten that Peterman was from the site!!!! They have a little tag team shill going on here. Could the 2 names mentioned in the first post be behind this thread????

The site is run by two honorable men named Frank Belanger and James Dodson.

WOW!!! Those 2 being called HONORABLE is certainly a stretch. Frank Belanger would sell you his grandmother if you would pay for her!!! He sells anything anyone will pay for. Never documented and never wins once one signs up!!! Guaranteed!!

[mnmatt]

I'm giving SBM a whirl. $197 with a 60 day money back guarantee. I'll try to remember to come here and post picks AHEAD of time so we can all see how they do.
For tomorrow, Thursday 8/23/12 all games UEFA EL.

Heerenveen/Molde UNDER 2.5
Genk/Luzern OVER 2.5
Sparta Prague/Feynoord OVER 2.5
Young Boys/Midtjiylland OVER 2.5
AZ Alkmaar/ Anji Makhachkala OVER 2.5

[HorstRadisch]

There are two guys here, Frank Something and James Something. Both are the most blatant con artists you will ever come across. They're tips are, unfortunately, the worst imaginable, i.e. they will lose very slightly over time. This means you can't take the other side of their suggestions and win - the spread will get you, in effect. If they were any worse they would have their uses, as then one could trade against them, but unfortunately even they aren't quite that bad. Having subscribed to two services of theirs in the past, and watched my betting bank slide slowly but surely in a downwards direction, I would advise you to avoid them if you find someone giving you their tips free of charge. Take into account the cost of the service, and it will burn a serious hole in your pocket in due course. Watch out too for TNT Sports Betting. Not sure how they're related, but they are in some way. James Dobson, Dodson, DeadBrain. something like that, can be found at both of them, as can Frank Bellend or whatever his name is. Seriously ... AVOID!!!

[JW Cash]

total scam and cheats..............frank and james pond scum