[peeiempee]

Gonna give his renewed system a try. Anyone know if you can start right when the season starts or wait like a month or two then start. Any thoughts?

[Chi_archie]

give me a run down of the system...

I don't bet too heavy first month of mlb

[Sharpener]

PLEASE....P-L-E-A-S-E!!! Do not waste your time on this! It is a lost cause. Go anywhere...just not there.
Biggest waste of my money I have ever spent was on John Morrison ANYTHING. I have tried the Basketball and tried the MLB. It is not a wise investment.

[peeiempee]

Dont know about the baseball, but if you bought the pts on nba this season it hasn't failed yet. You can also choose to chase or not chase that is your money mangement option. Tell me about your experiences with it. I know it failed several times last season, but he added some filters and said it only lost 1 once the last 5 years. Let me know about any input

[Sharpener]

Failed...yes, big time. Lost a lot of money on this "sure thing". The customer service was hoorrible and most of my emails never answered when asking for assistance. The ones I did receive were abrupt and just plain rude.

[diogee]

I tracked it last season and it did pretty bad. It was somewhere around -25 units. Came out about the same whether you were chasing the dog ml or rl.

[CashMoney]

The system has been tweaked with a RPI filter. I'm going to give it a try.

[Sforz]

not familiar with this system, but one that I use is to find a team that has gone over 5 games straight, or under five games straight, and fade the streak. It's a chase system, so if it misses 1unit, you fade the streak again with 3units, if it misses day two, you fade again the streak again with 9units...

not for everyone.

[CashMoney]

not familiar with this system, but one that I use is to find a team that has gone over 5 games straight, or under five games straight, and fade the streak. It's a chase system, so if it misses 1unit, you fade the streak again with 3units, if it misses day two, you fade again the streak again with 9units...

not for everyone.

Has it been profitable?

[JohnMorr08]

LGM - "Impossible to even find a series with a difference of .01"?? Last year there were exactly 44 series with that exact situation and it went 44 - 0. With only 8 B bets.

This is the biggest problem with any 'system'. Everyone plays it a different way. It all has to do with your perception and whether you are true to the system or not. For example Sharpener says that he's lost in the NBA - this year the system is 56-0 based on a "Chase" ... with only ONE C bet.

I'm not sure what you mean by "a team with a better RPI won't get swept". Any 2 teams that are within .01 of eachother can sweep one another in any given series. And that's what we hope for! IE. if the Yanks sweep the Sox - We are taking the Sox in the next series they play vs the Yanks.

[DevilDog]

Guys, the Morrison Systems are not the only ones out there. There is a hockey system out there RIGHT NOW that is 72-1. The same company had a baseball system last year that was lights out. It is not all about John Morrison guys.

And what JohnMorr08 said...being true to the system...why the hell do guys want to fool with something that is so successful? Play the system and stick with it.

[Sforz]

Has it been profitable?

I don't have the exact stats on my work computer, but when i get home i'll post the record..

It's something like 30-2 in o/u in basketball over the last 2 years also.

Just remember those losses are 9 unit losses and the wins are 1 unit wins, still up over the long haul.

[Willie Bee]

When it says 'chase' in the system, it might as well say 'flush your money here' for me. Certainly wish anyone luck who tries it, but chasing just seems doomed to eventual failure from where I stand. And before someone comes back with the old, "Oh, but this is different," let me say no, it's not. Over the long haul, chasing will cost you.

[u21c3f6]

When it says 'chase' in the system, it might as well say 'flush your money here' for me. Certainly wish anyone luck who tries it, but chasing just seems doomed to eventual failure from where I stand. And before someone comes back with the old, "Oh, but this is different," let me say no, it's not. Over the long haul, chasing will cost you.

I agree that one should not "chase". I personally use a Kelly style % wagering which I believe is good money management.

Chasing is not necessarily all bad IF your wagering has a +EV. However, if your wagering has a -EV, chasing will ultimately destroy your bankroll. If you have a +EV, a Kelly style wagering bankroll would eventually far surpass a chasing bankroll and trying to increase the amount of your wagers for a "chase" bankroll would just increase your risk of ruin even with a +EV.

Joe.

[Rio DiNero]

What is this system all about? His basketball system seems pretty profitable, I'm curious to know about baseball system?

[peeiempee]

Guys, the Morrison Systems are not the only ones out there. There is a hockey system out there RIGHT NOW that is 72-1. The same company had a baseball system last year that was lights out. It is not all about John Morrison guys.

And what JohnMorr08 said...being true to the system...why the hell do guys want to fool with something that is so successful? Play the system and stick with it.

It also costs $1000

[peeiempee]

What company is producing that?

It called the world's greatest nba system or something like that

[brooks85]

proly the same guy. Think about Tri-arc owns Arbys and Wendys, you can pick between the two but the money is going to the same person. very simple marketing strategy, to make the consumer "think" their is other options or in this case, another system. But, I have not seen this other one, it could be different.

[peeiempee]

Reading up on other forums, it appears that they don't give you the "system." They basically email you each day the plays and you play them. Way too much for a sub-martingale betting system. I'm gonna roll with $1200 for MLB when the season starts and do Morrison for $100 each game. Hope there's no losses in his new system or if there is it comes near the end of the season.

I don't want anyone coming in and giving his 2cents on Maritngale is doomed to fail blah blah blah...I know it will come eventually, I'm just hoping this can build my bankroll before it comes or I will be up in terms of units for the season. Futhermore its sub-Martingale because the events are dependent on each other because you are betting on the same team not to lose.

[brooks85]

What is his JM's new MLB system?

[peeiempee]

PM me if interested. Can't post it on the forum

[TheLostSun]

2008 MLB

LA Dodgers(RPI: .495) swept CIN Reds(RPI: .491)
5-20-08 score 6-5
5-21-08 score 4-1
5-22-08 score 5-2

Next series between those two would come on
6-18-08
6-19-08
6-21-08

According to the 0.01 tweaked system we have 0.495-0.491=0.004 which is <0.01
so we go for CIN Reds
Bet A on 6-18-08 score 1-3 Dodgers won
Bet B on 6-19-08 score 1-6 Dodgers won
Bet C on 6-21-08 score 4-7 Dodgers won

So my point is that someone is lying.
Season 2008: 43-0???? Why I just proved that is at least ??-1.

Thank you

[Sharpener]

This is absolute garbage. Please drop this...Been there done that. It is a complete and total farse!

[Dfjay9]

The NBA one is indeed undefeated this season so far. Toronto is a C bet tonight though I believe

[JohnMorr08]

Why are you guys trying so hard to prove this system wrong?

LostSun - The BIGGEST flaw to your arguement is that you are using each teams YEAR ENDING RPI. When they played in June they were NOT within .01 RPI points and therefore it was NOT a play!

That's what makes it extremely hard to backtest. How can you use Year Ending RPI for a game between 2 teams in Mid June????

[TheLostSun]

Why are you guys trying so hard to prove this system wrong?

We are just trying to find a good system, nothing else.

[peeiempee]

Why are you guys trying so hard to prove this system wrong?

LostSun - The BIGGEST flaw to your arguement is that you are using each teams YEAR ENDING RPI. When they played in June they were NOT within .01 RPI points and therefore it was NOT a play!

That's what makes it extremely hard to backtest. How can you use Year Ending RPI for a game between 2 teams in Mid June????

Good point jm. I believe that his new system did go 20 in a row in 2008 based on the RPI and have no C bets, but I disagree with his claims that it only lost 1 time in the last 7 years or whatever, because he is backtesting with the same way lostsun is doing it. There should be more losses. I doubt he actually went through each pontential series and applied the appropriate equation to get the running RPI

[peeiempee]

We are just trying to find a good system, nothing else.

I think all of John Morrison's systems are "good systems." It's just when the luck factor is against your favor it changes a good system to a garbage system. No such thing as free or easy money without risks. Those who played the NBA season starting mid November has not had a lost yet (maybe toronto if you got the line too early), but that's just 1 lost compared to like 40 wins. Hoping this will be the same for the MLB in 2009

[TheLostSun]

LostSun - The BIGGEST flaw to your arguement is that you are using each teams YEAR ENDING RPI. When they played in June they were NOT within .01 RPI points and therefore it was NOT a play!

I did think about this but come on. This is what John did when he corrected his 2004,2005,2006,2007 records, right?

But okay you have a point. Look, I do not say that the system is a scam. On the contrary, it is a very good system especially the tweaked one as it takes into account the form of the teams based on many statistics, L10 etc...

We are all trying to improve so we have a better one[system].

[joanapoker]

I think all of John Morrison's systems are "good systems." It's just when the luck factor is against your favor it changes a good system to a garbage system. No such thing as free or easy money without risks. Those who played the NBA season starting mid November has not had a lost yet (maybe toronto if you got the line too early), but that's just 1 lost compared to like 40 wins. Hoping this will be the same for the MLB in 2009

Not even TORONTO, because they won the next game vs the kings!!

[peeiempee]

Was refering to November 30 Toronto vs Lakers. Think the closing spread was toronto +11. Lakers ended up winning by 13. So if you bought the pts then A bet ends there. However toronto went on to lose to Denver by 39 and Utah by 29. In October, Morrison sent an email to everyone to play Utah even though boozer was out. People placed it and lost the C bet. He counted it as a no play because boozer was out even though the email he sent was to play it. But yes it has not lost from mid november on...toronto may have been a lost depending on when and which book and if the full 3 pts were bought.

Morrison is a scam artist, not his system, but the person. He inflates his records to try to get sales. His claim is 1 lost with MLB the whole 7 years, but its the season ending RPI, not the running RPI he back tested it with.

Gonna still try this system in 2009, like I said hoping for no losses or if there is it happens at the end to the season