[CollegePro]

I was looking for Arizona taker tonight and nobody offer.... and Arizona is winning 9-4 as I am typing this. I have 133points.... tell me what you want to bet tomorrow and if I like it, I will get tid of my points. I will only do it with one person for whole 133points. So first come first serve.

[DacBietViet]

Give me angels tomorrow @ 3:35 pm est. And you get ny yankees for 133 points even money

[DacBietViet]

You have to send me your points first. I do this with everyone i bet so i don't get stiff.

[CollegePro]

okay...let's do this Dac. so if yankees win, you will send me 266, correct? I will send you the point now.

[CollegePro]

points sent dac

[Chi_archie]

Originally Posted by DacBietViet

You have to send me your points first. I do this with everyone i bet so i don't get stiff.

the points are very arousing

[Afrot69]

big bet here. i like new york here

[DacBietViet]

Originally Posted by CollegePro

okay...let's do this Dac. so if yankees win, you will send me 266, correct? I will send you the point now.

Correct. GL

[DacBietViet]

Originally Posted by Afrot69

big bet here. i like new york here

Ship the 141 points. You got NY and i got LAA for tomorrow..even money

[CollegePro]

dac, you ready to pay me???

[CollegePro]

where are you dac

[CollegePro]

where the hell is dac

[Nickelicious]

Dac owes CollegePro 133 points after the Yankees won. The 133 were deposited by CollegePro into Dac's account and now Dac is stiffing CollegPro.

[CollegePro]

actually... he owes me 266 points

[Nickelicious]

Originally Posted by CollegePro

actually... he owes me 266 points

Yes, that's right. The points you paid him and the points you won. He hasn't been on the forum tonight that I can see, so maybe he is just not around to pay up.

[MexicanStallion]

Originally Posted by Nickelicious

Yes, that's right. The points you paid him and the points you won. He hasn't been on the forum tonight that I can see, so maybe he is just not around to pay up.

I would guess he just hasnt been around is all. He owes me about 50 points or so from last night. Dac has always paid me, so I wouldnt worry yet.

[CollegePro]

thanks for info guys

[MexicanStallion]

Originally Posted by CollegePro

thanks for info guys

No problem. I hope you get paid and myself too. Like I said though Dac has been good about it the past few weeks, so I wouldnt worry. Just see what happens in the next day or so and if nothing, then worry. Have a good night

[andywend]

Why would anyone make a wager with a person who insists on the points being transferred to them in advance?

Posters like DacBiet are saying I DON'T TRUST YOU but YOU CAN TRUST ME.

I'm not at all surprised that he hasn't paid off on the bet yet and I would recommend all posters refrain from making bets where the other side insists on payment up front.

Based on principal alone, I would NEVER make a bet under those terms as it only makes sense if you know the entity you're betting with and if you do, there's no reason why they should ask for the points up front.

Congrats on the win College Pro and I hope you get paid.

[MexicanStallion]

Originally Posted by andywend

Why would anyone make a wager with a person who insists on the points being transferred to them in advance?

Posters like DacBiet are saying I DON'T TRUST YOU but YOU CAN TRUST ME.

I'm not at all surprised that he hasn't paid off on the bet yet and I would recommend all posters refrain from making bets where the other side insists on payment up front.

Based on principal alone, I would NEVER make a bet under those terms as it only makes sense if you know the entity you're betting with and if you do, there's no reason why they should ask for the points up front.

Congrats on the win College Pro and I hope you get paid.

Well I think Dac was considering a bet with his "book". He requires you to post up first and then he gives out payments. The reason is because he doesnt want posters to stiff him and never pay. I do not use post up, but would consider it if I get stiffed by more than 1 person. Just an opinion. I dont know what will happen, but I will assume that Dac pays.

[Shortstop]

I'm sure Dac will settle up with his debts.

[jagaf22]

Originally Posted by Chi_archie

the points are very arousing

[CollegePro]

looks like dacbiet is staying low right now.. should have never sent the point to him first

[007Fatty]

I know eh, he owes me points too haha

[CollegePro]

dac sent the points... thanks man

[MexicanStallion]

You guys had little faith. I was also payed my points sometime today.

[TodaysAction]

Originally Posted by andywend

Why would anyone make a wager with a person who insists on the points being transferred to them in advance?

Posters like DacBiet are saying I DON'T TRUST YOU but YOU CAN TRUST ME.

I'm not at all surprised that he hasn't paid off on the bet yet and I would recommend all posters refrain from making bets where the other side insists on payment up front.

Based on principal alone, I would NEVER make a bet under those terms as it only makes sense if you know the entity you're betting with and if you do, there's no reason why they should ask for the points up front.

Congrats on the win College Pro and I hope you get paid.

Answer this for me then wise one. Why do places like Vegas, Atlantic City, your local casino, etc want the money for the wager first? Do you really think people would come back and say, yes I lost here's your money? Some might but most wouldn't. There's been more than enough slow/non-payers that I think anyone who books wagers from other posters without getting the points up front is asking to not get paid. There are exceptions. It would also remove a few of the "pay me" threads that pop up 5 minutes after a game is over. Lastly, nobody is forcing you to points wager SBR point with/against a person/book that requires you to transfer the SBR points place your points wager(s) with them. Have a nice day.

[Nickelicious]

I'm obviously in agreement with TodaysAction here, having just opened a football book that requires payment up front. Even MexicanStallion acknowledges that he might need to convert his book to this type of system if he gets stiffed by more than one player.

I think this is the way it will be in the future, unless SBR decides to create an SBR Points Bookie solution in the SBR Sports Contests section. After all, a bookie is a guy who plans to be around for a long time running his business. Whereas players can be fly-by-night assholes that might stiff a book if they lose a lot of points. Not most players, of course, but even one or two can really be devastating to the ROI for a point bookie.

[MexicanStallion]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts TA. Well spoken. I said I may need to in the future. So far after 3 weeks though I have had no problems. I have one potential stiff, but only for 7 points. No big deal. Obviously if that adds up to like 5 more players or one huge debt then I may need to change. Everyone has paid though and there has been some big hits before, but zero problems. I must be lucky or quality posters post action at my "book"

At the end of the day, Dac paid all his debts. Thank you

[TodaysAction]

Originally Posted by Nickelicious

I'm obviously in agreement with TodaysAction here, having just opened a football book that requires payment up front. Even MexicanStallion acknowledges that he might need to convert his book to this type of system if he gets stiffed by more than one player.

I think this is the way it will be in the future, unless SBR decides to create an SBR Points Bookie solution in the SBR Sports Contests section. After all, a bookie is a guy who plans to be around for a long time running his business. Whereas players can be fly-by-night assholes that might stiff a book if they lose a lot of points. Not most players, of course, but even one or two can really be devastating to the ROI for a point bookie.

Nickelicious,

It's the right way to do business as it protects the books from not getting paid. On the other side of the equation, I can see where and why some don't like that idea but as explained in the above post of mine - nobody is forcing anyone to play at those points books.

On a side note, good luck with your football only book. Where it me, and it's not, I'd increase the pay out per play and bump the lines to 250ish. If you were to do that, you might draw more action. I also believe anyone running an honest book would and should also not take non/slow payers at other books.

[yisman]

I say it's different here because these are one on one bets.

[TodaysAction]

Originally Posted by MexicanStallion

Thanks for sharing your thoughts TA. Well spoken. I said I may need to in the future. So far after 3 weeks though I have had no problems. I have one potential stiff, but only for 7 points. No big deal. Obviously if that adds up to like 5 more players or one huge debt then I may need to change. Everyone has paid though and there has been some big hits before, but zero problems. I must be lucky or quality posters post action at my "book"

At the end of the day, Dac paid all his debts. Thank you

No problem MexicanStallion, you know me well enough that I'll say what's on my mind. I'm really glad you have only been shorted the one time and it's not even the amount, all of 7 points, it's the principal of it. Much like my believes on wagering, everyone needs to do it a way that works for them.

I recall reading earlier you were thinking of upping your limits (line and payout), any further news on that front? I think you and other books should support the no action taken rule from any player owing another book until said player is PAID IN FULL. When you make the switch to transfer first, the only people that will complain are those who have been a slow and/or non-payer in the past.

[Nickelicious]

TA, I will increase the ML limits to -240/+260 in next week's thread. Don't want to edit this week's rules in case anyone thinks something fishy is going on.

As for the payout limit, that's set at 10 because I hope to get a lot of players putting action in the book, but I don't want to risk 1,000 points when I'm only holding 900 in the bank. That's what happened to Ijustwannabepaid2 and I don't want to repeat that history. I hope to get it up to 15 or 20 very soon.

I think the book will really hit its stride when I open up next week on Monday, taking action for football bets with early lines. Over the course of several days, I expect to get a lot of action, which is another reason to try to keep the payout limit low in the early stages of running his type of book.

MS has done pretty well, but he's gotten hit with some heavy one-day losses himself over the course of 3 weeks. Running a book is not a get-rich-quick type of business, especially with the number of savvy players here, but it can be profitable over the long haul. Right now, there is a scarcity of books available for players hungry for action, so I'm trying to fill a void here without going broke. MS is the king of books today, and I will gladly refer players to him when they want more action, as I'm sure he will do for me in the future. There's plenty of room on this forum for point bookies who will stick around for more than a week (Fatty should be careful, he could be out of business in a day with the limits he's taking).

[yisman]

it actually is a get rich quick scheme. I know calling people stupid is not going to get them to bet at your book, but every single points bookie has made out like a bandit.

Check the history.

DacBietViet, Fishhead, ijustwant2stiff, MexicanStallion, payingthejuice, etc.

all profited immensely from booking bets. They all went from 2 or 3 hundred points at the most to well over a thousand.

[Nickelicious]

Originally Posted by yisman

I say it's different here because these are one on one bets.

IMO, all one-to-one betting should be set up with SBR Challenges. That way, both players are assured they will get their 10 points (or 563 points from Dac) if they win.

If SBR set up a Challenge-type format that would be open to more than one-to-one players, that would be the supreme format for a point bookie, because it would simplify the process for both the bookie and the players. The players would really love it, because they could pick out games just like they do in SBR Contests.

The bookie would also prosper, because if you look at any SBR contest, the overall winning % of the group is 49-51%, give or take, with negative profit. So the bookie would continue to make points and stay in business, while savvy bettors could continue to grow their point total in a safe and reliable format.