[gwiz]

I read the bible and the message is pretty simple,your creator loves you,

you weren't born into a perfect world because a perfect world is a dream

you wake up and want to live dreams,life is the same

[gmcarroll33]

I love how with there's 99% of shit that can be explained but 1% not, that has to be the part of god.

What is it about god that you need so bad??? That you have to believe blindly in the face of overwhelming evidence that deities are fiction. Zeus, Thor, were they not good enough. The Christians have to kill races of people to force their new savior onto people who dont want it, now you're gonna sit here & say its real???? What the fuk is wrong with this goddamn world???

Not to be condescending, but you come across as somebody who could debate a modern day apologetic as well as Willie B, the famous Atlanta Zoo ape. Exactly what is the extent of theological readings from each side that you can claim? William Lane Craig, RZ, Geisler, and plenty others in a public debate on the subject, I would feel sad to see you subjected to such a debate with them. Dawkins pussy foots around all the time about why he won't debate WLC and gives out reasons and criteria that WLC doesn't have, yet he willingly has done so with others that don't meet this criteria. He knows he'd be up shit creek without a paddle in that type of debate.

Atheist debates and ideas have been around for forever. Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, and the likes are just the typical modern day types that can be pretty easily refuted with A+B=C logic along with other indepth insight. Most intellectual atheists were embarrassed out of their minds with "The God Delusion" by Dawkins. Yet these New Atheists are the ones publishing left and right, making plenty think "told you theist morons told u so". I agree that Catholicism is utter shit that needs to be wiped out pronto however. Anyways, idk why I even responded to this. This is gambling, what does religion?s have to do with this forum?

[shock11]

[Mikail]

Not suprisingly the disbelievers make up most of the forum.

[sickler]

Not suprisingly the disbelievers make up most of the forum.

Yeah no surprise.

Gamblers, on the whole, are a sinful bunch.

[gmcarroll33]

Yuz mocking me? Whatev

[pavyracer]

Not to be condescending, but you come across as somebody who could debate a modern day apologetic as well as Willie Bee, the famous Atlanta Zoo ape. Exactly what is the extent of theological readings from each side that you can claim? William Lane Craig, RZ, Geisler, and plenty others in a public debate on the subject, I would feel sad to see you subjected to such a debate with them. Dawkins pussy foots around all the time about why he won't debate WLC and gives out reasons and criteria that WLC doesn't have, yet he willingly has done so with others that don't meet this criteria. He knows he'd be up shit creek without a paddle in that type of debate.

Atheist debates and ideas have been around for forever. Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, and the likes are just the typical modern day types that can be pretty easily refuted with A+B=C logic along with other indepth insight. Most intellectual atheists were embarrassed out of their minds with "The God Delusion" by Dawkins. Yet these New Atheists are the ones publishing left and right, making plenty think "told you theist morons told u so". I agree that Catholicism is utter shit that needs to be wiped out pronto however. Anyways, idk why I even responded to this. This is gambling, what does religion?s have to do with this forum?

[gwiz]

I would expect them to be what they are, which is Christian.

What doesn't make sense to you?

I attend protestant churches, but i consider myself just a Christian. Protestant, Catholic, it doesn't matter, all that matters is that I believe in Jesus Christ as God, he died for my sins, and rose from the dead to become one with God the Father. So that makes me a Christian.

this is the difference I see between catholics and what the bible says

christ was the son of god,that didn't make him god,

he was trying to communicate the idea that god is inside of him and all people thus making us as the scriptures say children of god

this idea had been stolen from the common person by the priests

of course it's a very powerful thing to think that god lives inside of you to someone who wants to control you

thus making the teachings of christ a dangerous thing

but his message lived in the minds of people so like the drug war it is a war that cannot be won by those who wish for power because the users grow at a higher rate than those that are discarded

[sickler]

We need to photoshop WB's head onto that ape.

[THE PROFIT]

Not to be condescending, but you come across as somebody who could debate a modern day apologetic as well as Willie Bee, the famous Atlanta Zoo ape. Exactly what is the extent of theological readings from each side that you can claim? William Lane Craig, RZ, Geisler, and plenty others in a public debate on the subject, I would feel sad to see you subjected to such a debate with them. Dawkins pussy foots around all the time about why he won't debate WLC and gives out reasons and criteria that WLC doesn't have, yet he willingly has done so with others that don't meet this criteria. He knows he'd be up shit creek without a paddle in that type of debate.

Atheist debates and ideas have been around for forever. Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, and the likes are just the typical modern day types that can be pretty easily refuted with A+B=C logic along with other indepth insight. Most intellectual atheists were embarrassed out of their minds with "The God Delusion" by Dawkins. Yet these New Atheists are the ones publishing left and right, making plenty think "told you theist morons told u so". I agree that Catholicism is utter shit that needs to be wiped out pronto however. Anyways, idk why I even responded to this. This is gambling, what does religion?s have to do with this forum?

This is the break room of the forum. For some reason we want to discuss all kinds of shit we shouldn't be

[pavyracer]

We need to photoshop WB's head onto that ape.

That's the statue of Willie B. at Atlanta Zoo.

[WileOut]

why do you assume i don't believe in a creator?

and that's irrelevant to your spiel about all that matters is jesus christ blah blah blah.

here's the crux of your problem: the bible.

this quote sums it up pretty good:
from "Why the Christian God is Impossible" By Chad Docterman:

I don't assume you do or don't believe in a creator. You asked me to go first and I gave you a very short version of why I believe what I believe.

The text you gave about "why the Christian God is Impossible" has a few problems. First of all it doesn't prove that the Christian God is impossible, nor does it give any real reason for me to believe that my God is impossible. The text is based on what the writer thinks God would/should do to spread his word and go about his business, when in reality if there is a God, God knows better about how to go about spreading His word, interacting with people, and how to deal with the universe than the writer of that piece would.

To the person who asked me to give my research, I can't it would take the rest of my life to type it. My conclusion came through decades now of research into the subject that continues on. Also, the university science classes I took all pointed to there being a God, and supported what is written in the Bible (therefore supported the Christian God).

The main thing is what is in your heart. Many of the smartest people on the Earth are Christians, and many of the dumbest people on the Earth are Christians. God made it so that you don't have to be able to do research like I have to become a Christian and find the real truth.

It's all about what you believe in your heart to be true. The research I have done is not necessary, but I wanted to do it anyway. Jesus is in my heart, I know that to be fact. He loves me and it makes life worth living.

I don't have any problem with atheists or people of other religions. I pray for them, I pray for Christians. Nobody here is an enemy of mine. I may have come across as a know it all prick in this thread, sometimes that happens with me it's something I am forever trying to stop.

Here is a good resource for people to read about how science supports Christianity.

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/index.shtml

[sickler]

That's the statue of Willie B. at Atlanta Zoo.

You know, I thought the goatee was missing, but after a closer look it is there.

[mrmarket]

Atheist.

I don't particularly care what people believe in as long as it doesn't affect me directly nor do I seek to disprove their illogical notions. I probably should disprove these notions when confronted with their irrationality as it does affect me indirectly (see below), but I want to maximize personal gain so it's not worth my energy expenditure in this area.

It is definitely -EV to be an Atheist in North America. As much as religions preach tolerance they rarely display it towards those who hold no belief (This has been my experience and it is not a broad stroke condemning those who follow some religious doctrine). I've found that in social settings/relationships the most acceptable line is none practicing whatever as long as you have "faith in something" people aren't insolent towards you. And if you're an Atheist don't kid yourself because discrimination happens. I've faked being a "believer' many times and been glad to do so for my gain.

The fact is that religion is a pretty good coping tool for a big bad world and it is one of the reasons it has been so successful throughout the ages. There are a lot of other factors that influence its success but I don't really care to discuss the subject anymore here because it bores me to tears (look at this hypocrite writing a couple of paragraphs but trust me it's true .)

One more thing though to anyone who holds belief in something. Just prove it with evidence. Don't ask me to prove a negative (prove that there is no god) because logical argumentation does not work this way. You want to assert a belief then PROVE IT. Faith is irrelevant because it fundamentally illogical. Only evidence matters.

[gwiz]

In the beginning the word was god

so there was a time where anyone who could read was considered a worshipper

since words convey knowledge and ideas the question always has to be asked what do we worship

I worship liberty,my religion is freedom

many people like to say the soldiers give us our freedom

this is the ultimate mind*&^%

people who go around killing in someone elses name are set up as saviors

well my savior gave his life willingly to people who blamed him of calling himself a king and making himself equal to god

so that 2000 years later I might sit here tonight and use the power of god to communicate to you

[1tarheelfan]

when i was younger i was a missionary baptist.i got saved at 8,and was baptised at 9.in my teena i became nondenominational.i donty drink,do drugs[with the exception of pain killers for my back],and i dont fornicate.i dont mean to ramble on so,but i have became dishearted by my fellow christians.i love to gamble,and if it wasnt for there strong hold with the gop we would have never had the anti gambling bill.a congress man said if you regulated online gambling people would lose all they had,and i remember chuck sims made a smart comment years ago when he said that stock market people lost everything they owned.iam sorry guys for my rambling.

[WileOut]

mrmarket your statement asking others to not ask you to prove a negative is flawed. This explains what I mean.

http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...er/theory.html


mrmarket, Jesus performed miracles witnessed by thousands of people. So credible are the sources of these stories about Jesus, it has led to the vast majority of people living in first world countries to believe in Him, and huge numbers of people in 2nd and 3rd world countries to believe as well. A third of the world are Christians, and it is the biggest religion in the world. Hmmmm, maybe there is something to it?

This link below is not absolute proof but if that is what you require, these accounts of his miracles is much more evidence than you will be able to find to support a no God theory. Only evidence matters right?

http://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/miracles.htm

[flyingillini]

All Religion is nothing but Brainwashing. Most people are very weak-minded and want something to believe in, it gives them hope.

[gmcarroll33]

you do realize the bible was written a couple of hundred years after jesus died right? stories get lost in translation, literally. how many languages did the stories of jesus get passed through orally? too many to count.

but no its in a book, so it must be true.

also, christianity experienced its big boom around 350 AD, when Emporor Constantine I became a christian and made it the official religion of the roman empire. Up to that point, christianity was a group of underground zealots. So its not surprising christianity spread, because it became the religion of the largest empire to date at the time.

You do realize you are posting an epic fail of a post here do you not?

[sickler]

All Religion is nothing but Brainwashing. Most people are very weak-minded and want something to believe in, it gives them hope.

[gmcarroll33]

i should clarify, its more or less final completion. alot of the old testament was written throughout the BCs, but was not completed (mostly the gospels that explain Jesus' exploits) until ~200-300 AD

More like <100 A.D. Whatev, carry on

[THE PROFIT]

All Religion is nothing but Brainwashing. Most people are very weak-minded and want something to believe in, it gives them hope.

and I live in the bible belt. If people ask me something about religion I tell them I am a non participant. I may get dirty looks, i don't know. I have an uncle & aunt that have religion so far up their ass I wont have anything to do with them. I give them dirty looks with their bullshit. I don't go around talking about deities someone believes in or my lack of belief in them. I don't mention it because it's a zero factor in my life & daily routine. And I ask the same respect from people. I dont wanna hear about the good news that Jesus is risen. The same way I don't wanna talk about your genital warts. Keep it to your fukin self.

My aunt I was telling you about is a clueless sheep and as dumb as they come for an educated woman. What finally broke the camels back was I was gonna take her & my idiot uncle out to eat. She loves chinese food, has since I can remember. A few years ago they bought the extended church warranty I guess now they're churched up from the fukin floor up.

I meet them at the best Chinese restaurant in town & they wouldn't go in because there was a statue of Buddha at the door. I guess you can imagine my reaction

[THE PROFIT]

Jesus "miracles" have no documented proof really. The testaments have been rewritten by Kings so many times to fit their agenda that it means nothing really. Also the church makes no mention of Jesus teen years, twenties & early thirties. Because he was in India & he was fukin whores. They didnt quiet know how to fit that into a messiah story, so its best to just leave it out

[WileOut]

Yea they were so convinced he was God they nailed him to a cross and killed him, also the religion he was supposed to be the prophet for didnt even accept him as their prophet hence the creation of a new religion Christianity instead of the Jewish prophet he was supposed to be, how hard is it to convince the ppl of the religion you are supposed to be the prophet of that you are actually their prophet if you're God?

I mean fuk you could pull a rabbit out of a hat and they would claim you were a sorceror back then and this dude couldnt convince them he was God? BTW its always smart when ur coming to convince ppl you are God to come in HUMAN FORM, oh yea be born and grow up and everything, thats a very good idea, even though u could just come as like a mountain sized God and dispell any doubt you decide to grow up as a kid that reads the Hebrew bible, kinda interesting you have to read YOUR OWN BIBLE

Also these ppl were lookin for anything religious to worship I mean prior to Christianity they believed in sea gods, lightning gods, gods of war and blah blah blah, I mean that was their religion prior to Christianity, dont ya get it these pp would buy anything

Of course they nailed him to the cross, along with teaching the gospel, it was what he was sent to Earth by God to do, to die on the cross for YOU. It was God's will that he be nailed to the cross so that people who believe can be saved from their sins. When God sets something in motion, its going to happen.

And he actually did convince a large portion of the people that he was God. Back then there was no internet or TV, so word of his miracles that were observed had to spread by mouth. In fact, he convinced so many people in the Roman Empire that he was God, about 250 or so years later Christianity was the dominant religion in the Roman Empire and the Roman Emperor Constantine made it the official religion of the Roman Empire.

Our Bible contains the Old Testament and the New Testament, and since the New Testament was written based on the words of Jesus it would have been hard for it to exist before Jesus did. That is why they added a new section to the Old Testament to create the real Bible, because the Savior came, spoke, and it was written down.

[flyingillini]

and I live in the bible belt. If people ask me something about religion I tell them I am a non participant. I may get dirty looks, i don't know. I have an uncle & aunt that have religion so far up their ass I wont have anything to do with them. I give them dirty looks with their bullshit. I don't go around talking about deities someone believes in or my lack of belief in them. I don't mention it because it's a zero factor in my life & daily routine. And I ask the same respect from people. I dont wanna hear about the good news that Jesus is risen. The same way I don't wanna talk about your genital warts. Keep it to your fukin self.

My aunt I was telling you about is a clueless sheep and as dumb as they come for an educated woman. What finally broke the camels back was I was gonna take her & my idiot uncle out to eat. She loves chinese food, has since I can remember. A few years ago they bought the extended church warranty I guess now they're churched up from the fukin floor up.

I meet them at the best Chinese restaurant in town & they wouldn't go in because there was a statue of Buddha at the door. I guess you can imagine my reaction

This is some good stuff right here! May Jesus Christ Bless your plays for 5/31/10/

[maquina]

Catholic,always.

[THE PROFIT]

WileOut. Its great that you believe this supernatural creation story that every civilization has had, but damn, give it up. Its Monday now, church is over