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* Odds and win amount may not be the same as at time of placement, if a pitcher change takes place.
This was shown to me after I made an *Action, not *Listed bet.
So if there is a pitching change and their odds go way down so does my bet that I already placed at *Action? Is this normal policy?
Wow...odds get adjusted accordingly? If I'm reading this correctly, that's not right.
Yes, this is normal for an Action wager. If you want to lock in the odds, take listed pitchers. It will be voided if there is a pitcher change.
It threw me too, what is the point of even having an Action bet?
The point is that if you want to place a wager on the team, no matter what, then you can play action. I recommend always taking listed, as this should be a major part of your handicapping decision.
your odds can go from +200 to -999999! That's what you call BS
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Originally Posted by JamesBrown
I looked around and see that this is correct. I always thought Action bets lock in the odds no matter what. Now I know better.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesBrown
Your odds could easily go from -130 to -190, which is huge. I have never done "action," and am glad that I read this thread.
This is standard policy, works in your favor also.. imagine if you had a huge fav cause of halladay or kershaw or whatever and you had action and they were a late scratch...why should you be locked in at -240 or some crazy price with a scrub now on the mound.
Chance you take if your playing action and not listedQuote:
Originally Posted by mh217
You are taking action on the game, not on the price.
Part of taking action on the game is the price... would never play at a book like that... action is exactly that action... better off playing listed ne way
No point in arguing, you have to understand that the pitcher means everything in baseball, and the games are priced accordingly...you keep your bet for the amount, just your price changes...I don't see a problem with it.
going to be chippy on the MLB subforum until we start seeing some runs in these games...cheers guys!
you guys ever have fangraphs running while you are watching a game? Good way of analyzing what's really going on in games that you are watching.
Not chippy... don't bet action.. simple
I have never played at a book that did this. If I have bet action then it meant I have action on that line no matter what pitcher ends up pitching. Yes the pitcher is a huge part of baseball. Come on though if U bet on the Lakers and get them at -10 then Kobe is out do you think they change the line to -5 on your bet? I've never heard of a book that did this.
I always thought action bets meant you were locked into the bet at the price quoted irrespective of a pitching change. Checked out some rules at a couple of books and found out that the price can move if there is a pitching change. I will stay with listed from now on.
Thread ended up being a good educational lesson..thanks OP
Thank u for this thread. Went to betislands live chat and this is what their policy is. Listed pitchers it is then for all bets. Thanks.
This isn't breaking news, the "Action" rule has been the same for as long as I have been gambling. Just another nuance where baseball differs from other sports (see Kobe injury analogy above).
This has always been the policy. A lot of books give you listed pitchers unless you specify "Action"
thats the dumbest shit ive ever heard.............action means you get the odds listed reguardell of a pitcher change IMO
No it means you have Action on the game even if there's a pitching change (at NEW opening line), as opposed to Listed where you' get a refund.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaperTrail07
This is the dumbest shit ive heard in a long time......esp from MH217......thats why u pick listed....when you take action you are accepting the fact that youll accept pitching changes"hence" ACTION............I mean WTF......
I see what your saying LT...it mean u want the action either way......but to not know the odds and accept the line the BOOK tosses out is absolutely ******* crazy IMO
i will never pick action again
Great info. I thought it was the other way around. Thanks, OP, for sharing this.
I agree with Papertrail. If this isn't news to others this is news to me. I don't think thegreek or sportbook had this policy when I use to bet with them. I just got back into betting again this past November or so. I have made bets in Vegas though and 100% for sure know that action meant action with the line u got no matter what. Pitchers didn't matter. This was with Leroy sportsbooks (which are owned by a lot of places)
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaperTrail07
Also I am going to go check with 5dimes right now and let ya guys know what they say as well.
THX for checking Ez....i need to get this figured out ...i have bet baseball for a long time and never seen some bs like this....its not right.....
5 Dimes: Baseball Wagering
Baseball game moneyline and first 5 inning wagers have the following pitcher options:
Listed Pitchers: Both listed pitchers must start for moneyline wagers to have action. You have no action if either or both pitchers do not start the game. All baseball total and run-line wagers are listed pitchers only.
List One Pitcher: The pitcher you specify must start for moneyline wagers to have action. You have no action if your specified pitcher does not start the game. If the pitcher opposing your selected pitcher is changed, the moneyline price will be computed with revised odds based on the new pitcher. This wagering option is available only over the phone.
Action: All moneyline wagers have action. However, if there is a pitching change, the moneyline price will be computed with revised odds based on the new pitchers.
As you can see, rule is consistent across all USA facing online books
Hi guys,
As LT Profits stated, this is how MLB betting works. No need to go one by one asking books. =)
Bet "listed pitchers", NOT "action" if you do not want action on the game in the event of a SP pitcher change (affects the odds).
Well this is the case at 5dimes as well. I am very glad this thread was started, I am surprised but okay with it now that I know. I just have to make sure to always bet listed pitchers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ez Money 77
Well I don't want to go back to chat to ask this but maybe one of you know the answer to this. What if the pitcher gets changed totally last second. When does the book change the line for the game? I would hope/think it would be before the game started still, right?
Are you guys being serious or is this a delayed April Fools joke? Imagine the pitcher you thought you were betting on got substituted for by.... oh let's say.... me!!!
The line get's changed when the Team Manager makes the starting pitching change. He decides he doesn't want Sir Lefty Lefterlot pitching, he puts in Corky Corkerson, lines get adjusted.
Action = any pitcher who may come in
Listed = til death do you part you want that pitcher and that's who you bet on. Pitcher doesn't play = bet cancelled.
EZMoney - You actually know this. I know you do. The wording might be screwing you up but you've got this one covered. Listed = That's who you get. Action = whomever rocks up xo
So you would still want it to stay same odds if you had Halladay at -300, and ended up with some scrub at -300? Wouldn't you want the change in odds to your favor?
No book is going to give you +200 if the pitcher changed to Halladay from some scrub.
This has always been the case. You guys that have been betting "Action" probably never had a pregame pitching change to see the odds change.
Good that it cleared things up for some. :grrr:
Has everyone here never bet MLB before or something? This is amazing how clueless people are about the sport that they bet on.