Update by SBR following fantasy scandal: How Fantasy Scandal Differs from Bookies Betting Other Sportsbooks
Lets hear it. Has anyone ever actually received payments from them??
I have heard on another site that these guys who try and stall and never actually pay out. And I have heard that some of the games are NOT on the up and up
I'm not familiar with FanDuel. But I have used a different daily fantasy league site. How could the games not be on the up and up? Aren't rosters locked when the game starts? How could they cheat?
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Never more than 24 hours...
Straight to paypal..
yes, they cheat, underage people and they paypal eachother back and forth and get in the same contest and share eachothers lineups with eachother to get a better chance of winning
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if you had friends you could do the same :highfive:
Yes, paypal in 1 day, no problem. I only play the head to head contests to avoid the cheating.
We've never heard of anyone not receiving payment from FD.
PlayersOnly, if any of the anonymous guys you're posting on behalf of would like, they can write in to SBR.
Lou they aren't going to care about sbr, they are not offshore
Actually FanDuel has sponsored contests for SBR members and users can achieve Pro status through them. They care about their customers and, other than alleged hearsay from...PlayersOnly69, I'm not aware of any issue. Anyone who has one is free to ask for SBR assistance as always.Quote:
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how does walker get a percentage of the losses through fandual?
So by sharing each other's lineups, they make sure and have some different players in there for variation? I have only played in head to head contests so I am trying to understand how the cheating takes place.Quote:
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Those sites charge fees. They don't care who wins or loses. Everyone pays an entrance fee. Even for heads up, both pay.Quote:
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The fees are very high in my opinion. If they could reach a critical mass and lower the fees considerably, I think they could be huge. It's legalized gambling.
I won $100 from their contest they had here like a month ago. I didnt even have to put it back in action (I hate fantasy sports). I w/d it right after they credited the winnings to my acct. Had the check 3 days after request. No complaints here.
I've had a horrible experience with Fanduel so far. I have played their CBB games for 4 days now and I've submitted a sportsbook complaint to SBR because of the collusion that goes on there. It's simply not fair. Numerous users on FD are tricking other newer users into playing them while these colluders get together and all use the exact same lineups in their games. It's disgusting and Fanduel doesn't even acknowledge that it's happening.
All true, except a lot of people hate fantasy, and a lot of fantasy player dont like the one day dea...They want to play for a season with their buddies.Quote:
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Can someone explain how the collusion works? If they are all using the same lineup, then they will either all win or all lose. How does that give anyone an edge.
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It's because they are sitting there waiting for other people to play them and never playing against each other. So say I see 4 different people waiting for a $25 game and I want to play against 4 different teams, which makes sense. If I get in one league against each of these users, I just end up playing against the exact same team 4 times instead of playing against 4 separate teams like I wanted to. All that ends up happening is that the outside user pays more juice and takes a lot more risk overall.
Also, there is a single-entry gpp for CBB that Fanduel offers. Last week I entered and there were 5 people who entered with the exact same team. Obviously they are trying to get around the fact that it is supposed to be single-entry. Who knows if these guys are the same person, bots, brothers, friends, etc. There is just no way to tell. And in my correspondence with Fanduel about this issue they have been extremely shady and have tried to tell me I'm mistaken about these users using the exact same lineup when I showed them proof clear as day. It's not hard to see this is going on and apparently they don't care at all.
Fanduel actually tried telling me that since there are so few games available for CBB in terms of players to choose from, that it was just a coincidence that these users "may' have a few similar players. I was just like WTF at that comment. There were 6 games with 12 teams to choose from and the same few users just happen to come up with the exact same 9 guys on their rosters day after day? Give me a ******* break Fanduel. :lmao:
I'm still not seeing what the advantage is, and what the point is. Why go through the trouble of creating separate accounts, instead of just posting under the same account. Say you want to play the same lineup head to head 5 separate times. Why wouldn't you just do it all under your name. You won't play the same opponent, but so what? What's the benefit of trying to get the same person to play against your lineup 5 different times (presumably with the opponent using 5 different lineups)?
And if they are putting up their lineups first, how do they even know who they will be playing?
I'm trying to look at it from the collusionists' side and figure out how they benefit, and I'm just now seeing it.
For the single entry CBB, it is to your advantage if they play the same lineup 5 times. Assuming the prize structure is top heavy sort of like poker tournies, them playing the same lineup hurts them.
Just as an extreme example, lets say there's a $1 entry fee, 120 entries, and $100 to 1st place only. If somebody tried to cheat by entering the same lineup 119 times, and you entered only once, you don't think you have a huge advantage? What am I missing?
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I'm not saying that I think they are all the same person using separate accounts. But maybe they are. I was just saying I have no idea who is behind it.
One answer to your question is action. They will obviously get a lot more games at each $$ level by doing this. Shit, these same few guys are sitting and waiting at each and every money level ranging from $5 games to $270 games.
If I already have a game against user A and want to play against 3 more different teams, they will get me to register against each of them with the exact same lineup. Otherwise I would just wait until someone else registers because I don't want to be up against the same team multiple times.
The CBB action even at Fanduel is still very low especially at higher levels and clearly this is a huge advantage for these guys because obviously they are avoiding playing against each other and tricking new users like myself into falling for this trap.
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Dude, the CBB single entry pays out 20+ spots. They are clearly all hoping to do well with their exact same team to take a lot of money from the prize pool. It makes perfect sense. But I feel they are just finding a loophole around the fact that Fanduel purposely made this tournament single-entry. I agree that there is no huge advantage to doing this, but obviously these guys are experts and want to make as much money as possible.
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You're not making sense. What is the trap? How do they know they will be playing against the same person if they post their lineups and leave them up? And even if they are playing against you several times, your lineup won't be the same so they can just as easily win some and lose some even if they use the same lineup. Yes in your example they are being annoying, but they aren't benefiting in any way.
What makes you think these guys are experts, or have any special ability to win more than anybody else? They can just as easily lose a lot of money with the same team as win a lot. Basically they are just increasing their variance.Quote:
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Clearly you are the one not making sense. Do you even know how Fanduel or other DFS sites work? You can not see a person's lineup until the games start. If I could see all their lineups were the same, I would obviously have not kept registering against all these users with the same team.
Also, yes my lineup will be the same because anyone with half a brain who plays on DFS sites just create one single team and play against multiple opponents. Nobody in their right mind would make several different teams of their own and just play against the same person. That is just LOL.
So basically you are complaining that you want to play your single team against multiple opponents, while they have created a single team to play against multiple opponents, just under different usernames. One of the dumbest complaints I have heard in a long time. You're wasting your time complaining about it, and they are wasting their time going through this ridiculous scheme because it doesn't benefit them at all.
Do you have any idea what the word "collusion" means? What you are describing is without question not collusion.
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Ding, ding, ding. Why else would I pay extra rake to play in 4 separate $25 games against 4 separate teams instead of just playing a $109 game against the same team I'm up against anyways? Obviously people want to reduce variance. They are abusing the system and tricking users into thinking they are up against separate teams when in fact they are not. I.E. colluding by working together and creating the same exact team behind closed doors and obviously not playing against each other at all. It's not rocket science pal.
Fanduel is fantastic site for fantasy players with a bunch of different game amounts. For very little money a player can win a good amount. The software is great and I've never had any tech glitches. And when you win your account is credited within a few days and you can withdraw directly to Paypal or have a check sent within a week. As to the collusion idea; as soon as the game's go all the teams are seen and if players want to pay for a bunch of entries and try dozens of combos it just assures enough players are in the game so there'll be a payout. If you pick the best players it makes no difference who colludes. There are way too many combos in a max entry game for people to cheat. Fanduel and the FFPC are a threat to every other fantasy site because they pay lightning fast and fantasy players are sick of winning and waiting months for a check. It's bogus for this thread to have the title it has.
Thank you Fanduel Spokesperson....Quote:
Originally Posted by lt56
your account is credited in a few days when you win ???????????
I half ass read this thing thru all the arguing to be honest...if my response makes no sense then that is why but I think what he is trying to say is he would rather lower his variance and play 5 different teams so that way he has a chance to go 3-2 or w/e instead of 5-0 or 0-5. Not really collusion tho...I think thats what is setting everyone off track.
Basically the problem is that he is accusing someone, or a group of people, of the dumbest scheme of all time. He is accusing them of cheating while
A) Not even being able to effectively cheat, because they can't know in advance who they will be playing against
B) Not getting any benefit out of it whatsoever
And if dtp thinks he is would be lowering his variance by playing 5 different people and using the same lineup against each opponent, then there's not much to talk about, his logic is way off course. It might not be the same as playing against the same team 5 times, but it's not all that far off.
Fanduel pays. Just play head to head there and youll be ok.
Fan Duel has payed me in less than 24 hours through paypal numerous times. I only play head to head...not because I'm afraid of people cheating but because I feel I have the best chance to beat one person rather than 10+.
Always been paid on fantasy sites, more than we can say about offshore books