[DrunkenLullaby]

I love when Christians try to say that radical muslims are savage and/or insane. Not to say that they aren't, but c'mon, look in your mirrors people!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080420/...ing_christians

Christians clash at Jesus' tomb on Orthodox Palm Sunday

By SARAH EL DEEB, Associated Press Writer Sun Apr 20, 3:49 PM ET

JERUSALEM - Dozens of Greek and Armenian priests and worshippers exchanged blows at one of Christianity's holiest shrines on Orthodox Palm Sunday, and used palm fronds to pummel police who tried to break up the brawl.

The fight came amid growing rivalry over religious rights at the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, built over the site in Jerusalem where tradition says Jesus was buried and resurrected.

It erupted when Armenian clergy kicked out a Greek priest from their midst, pushed him to the ground and kicked him, according to witnesses.

When police intervened, some worshippers hit them with the palm fronds they were holding for the religious holiday. The Eastern Orthodox churches, including the Armenians and Greek Orthodox, follow a different calendar from Western Christians and celebrate Easter next Sunday.

Two Armenian worshippers who attacked the Greek Orthodox clergy were briefly detained by Israeli police. Scores of Armenian supporters then protested outside the police station during the questioning of the two, beating drums and chanting.

The Holy Sepulcher is shared by several Christian denominations according to a centuries-old arrangement known as the "status quo."

Each denomination jealously guards its share of the basilica, and fights over rights at the church have intensified in recent years, particularly between the Armenians and Greeks.

Father Pakrad, an Armenian priest, said the presence of the Greek priest during the Armenian observances violated the status quo. "Our priests entered the tomb. They kicked the Greek monk out of the Edicule," he said, referring to the tomb area.

Pakrad accused the Greek Orthodox Christians of trying to step on the Armenians' rights. "We are the weak ones, persecuted by them for many centuries."

The Greek Orthodox Patriarch in the Holy Land, Theofilos III, told The Associated Press that the Armenians are pushing to change the rules, challenging what he said was the dominance of the Greek church in the Holy Land.

"This behavior is criminal and unacceptable by all means," he said. "They wanted to trespass on the status quo concerning the order that regulates the services between the various communities."

The Church of the Nativity in nearby Bethlehem — where Jesus is said to have been born — also falls under the status quo arrangement. Last year, pre-Christmas cleaning in that church turned ugly when robed Greek Orthodox and Armenian priests went at each other with brooms and stones.

[Panic]

Don't see a case for atheism here.

[ShamsWoof10]

Originally Posted by DrunkenLullaby

I love when Christians try to say that radical muslims are savage and/or insane. Not to say that they aren't, but c'mon, look in your mirrors people!.

You're so GOOOFY!!!

NO THEY ARE NOT and Christains don't touch little boys either... that's goofy too...

Unreal how gooofy some of you are...

Athesim is a reality here in the US even though most 'CLAIM" they are Christians... What a laugh....

[DrunkenLullaby]

OK, maybe I should have said "And the case against any ORGANIZED religion gets stronger every day".

I suppose believing in God individually and worshiping on your own and never trying to impose your belief system on others has never done a lot of harm.

[DrunkenLullaby]

Originally Posted by ShamsWoof10

You're so GOOOFY!!!

NO THEY ARE NOT and Christains don't touch little boys either... that's goofy too...

Unreal how gooofy some of you are...

Shamsy, I'm not trying to fight with you, but I honestly don't understand your post - other than you think I'm goofy...which I can deal with.

[2Pac]

Originally Posted by DrunkenLullaby

I love when Christians try to say that radical muslims are savage and/or insane. Not to say that they aren't, but c'mon, look in your mirrors people!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080420/...ing_christians

Christians clash at Jesus' tomb on Orthodox Palm Sunday

By SARAH EL DEEB, Associated Press Writer Sun Apr 20, 3:49 PM ET

JERUSALEM - Dozens of Greek and Armenian priests and worshippers exchanged blows at one of Christianity's holiest shrines on Orthodox Palm Sunday, and used palm fronds to pummel police who tried to break up the brawl.

The fight came amid growing rivalry over religious rights at the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, built over the site in Jerusalem where tradition says Jesus was buried and resurrected.

It erupted when Armenian clergy kicked out a Greek priest from their midst, pushed him to the ground and kicked him, according to witnesses.

When police intervened, some worshippers hit them with the palm fronds they were holding for the religious holiday. The Eastern Orthodox churches, including the Armenians and Greek Orthodox, follow a different calendar from Western Christians and celebrate Easter next Sunday.

Two Armenian worshippers who attacked the Greek Orthodox clergy were briefly detained by Israeli police. Scores of Armenian supporters then protested outside the police station during the questioning of the two, beating drums and chanting.

The Holy Sepulcher is shared by several Christian denominations according to a centuries-old arrangement known as the "status quo."

Each denomination jealously guards its share of the basilica, and fights over rights at the church have intensified in recent years, particularly between the Armenians and Greeks.

Father Pakrad, an Armenian priest, said the presence of the Greek priest during the Armenian observances violated the status quo. "Our priests entered the tomb. They kicked the Greek monk out of the Edicule," he said, referring to the tomb area.

Pakrad accused the Greek Orthodox Christians of trying to step on the Armenians' rights. "We are the weak ones, persecuted by them for many centuries."

The Greek Orthodox Patriarch in the Holy Land, Theofilos III, told The Associated Press that the Armenians are pushing to change the rules, challenging what he said was the dominance of the Greek church in the Holy Land.

"This behavior is criminal and unacceptable by all means," he said. "They wanted to trespass on the status quo concerning the order that regulates the services between the various communities."

The Church of the Nativity in nearby Bethlehem — where Jesus is said to have been born — also falls under the status quo arrangement. Last year, pre-Christmas cleaning in that church turned ugly when robed Greek Orthodox and Armenian priests went at each other with brooms and stones.

The fact that radical followers who interpret the holy books literally would push you toward atheism is laughable.

[ShamsWoof10]

Originally Posted by DrunkenLullaby

I love when Christians try to say that radical muslims are savage and/or insane. Not to say that they aren't, but c'mon, look in your mirrors people!

I didn't make it clear enough...?????

Let me try again...

Originally Posted by DrunkenLullaby

I love when Christians try to say that radical muslims are savage and/or insane. Not to say that they aren't, but c'mon, look in your mirrors people!.

Do you get it now..?

[2Pac]

So just because a cop is guilty of excessive force, does that mean we shouldn't have police officers.

Don't let the actions of fundamentalists taint your judgment. These people are much more visible, unfortunately, but they do not speak for the masses of either religion.

[2Pac]

Originally Posted by ShamsWoof10

I didn't make it clear enough...?????

Let me try again...



Do you get it now..?

[DrunkenLullaby]

Originally Posted by ShamsWoof10

Do you get it now..?

Nope. It seems like you're saying that radical muslims are neither savage nor insane, an opinion which you are certainly entitled to. But then you follow it up with the statement about Christians touching boys which seems to indicate that you DO think organized religions are a mess. So that's where my confusion lies.

[DrunkenLullaby]

Originally Posted by 2Pac

So just because a cop is guilty of excessive force, does that mean we shouldn't have police officers.

Don't let the actions of fundamentalists taint your judgment. These people are much more visible, unfortunately, but they do not speak for the masses of either religion.

No, it just means that I won't blindly trust a cop until I get to know him.

Nor will I follow an organized religion that attempts to tell me what is right or wrong or how I should think. Again, as the first reply pointed out, I should have said "the case against organized religion" as opposed to "the case for atheism".

[BrentCrude]

Wow,de ja vu all over again.I listen to Coast to Coast when I sleep and Ian Punditt the weekend minister talk host talked alot about atheism last night.He's a cool guy and not a real bible belter and can relate well to just about any person from any sect of religion or non religion.

A devout former Christian old geezer called in saying he was now an atheist because his beloved wife just died.The guy was really biblically versed and now was on a crusade to debunk Christianity as a total myth.He even claimed there was no such a person as Jesus.

I can see why people turn against religion when so much goes wrong in their life and you see so much termoil and injustice in society.But why not have an insurance policy in the form of at least being an agnostic instead of an atheist where you are just uncertain if there is life after death.I wouldn't want to piss off the big guy upstairs just in case there is a big guy upstairs by bashing Christianity.

[ShamsWoof10]

Originally Posted by 2Pac

You think it's ok not to pay after volunteeringly playing so it's not like your opinion on ANYTHING counts.. ESPECIALLLLY religion...

Now go get a job and pay CWager...

[DrunkenLullaby]

Originally Posted by ShamsWoof10

You think it's ok not to pay after volunteeringly playing so it's not like your opinion on ANYTHING counts.. ESPECIALLLLY religion...

Now go get a job and pay CWager...

I hear ya Shamsy. Seemingly ironically, some of the most religious people I've met in my life were some of the least ethical people I've met. Never understood how they made peace with that inside their heads, never will.