[curious]

LMFAO! ! ! His birth has been verified from his birth certificate right down to the birth announcements in the local newspapers. Also, confirmed by the republican governor of Hawaii. These crazies could have witnessed President Obama's birth in Hawaii. and they would still deny his eligibility. The facts don't don't matter to these people. It's just their way of saying that they do not accept a black person as their leader. I know because, sadly enough, I have family members who think this way.

Nope. The long form birth certificate was never released. The ad run in the paper is an ad that anyone can run and just says that someone was born. The current governor of Hawaii has said that they have not yet found the long form birth certificate. Those are the facts.

This issue is really easy to resolve. The state of Hawaii releases the long form birth certificate which shows at which Hawaiian hospital Obama was born and which doctor did the delivery. Simple.

Now, once that issue is cleared up, there is another thorny problem. Obama possessed an Indonesian passport and Indonesian citizenship during a time when Indonesia did not respect dual citizenship. So, that has to be explained. Again, simple.

I don't understand why asking for these two things is even an issue.

[curious]

I'm not even going to comment on the birth certificate stuff. These people who talk about this are beyond moronic. You are really seeing on this board why we are slipping behind the rest of the world in education.

Typical. You never actually address any issue you just call anyone raising an issue that you do not accept horrible names and make up lies about them.

[curious]

They were murdered. You know what is more sad though. How you have not learned from the event. You are taking their lives in vein. You want to use their deaths as a way to further the cycle of terrorism.

I learned plenty from the murder of our citizens.

So, you are saying that the United States taking actions to punish the perpetrators of 9/11 is a terrorist action?

So, we are supposed to do what? Sing kumbaya?

I don't want to learn from an act of war that murdered 3,000 of my fellow countrymen. There is only one thing that I want to learn, the sites of the graves of the Islamists who perpetrated this act of war.

What is it that you expect us to learn from these murders? Teach us, please, oh enlightened one.

So, on December 8th, 1941 the people in the United States were supposed to sit around and sing Kumbaya instead of demanding a declaration of war against our attackers?

Are you insane?

[curious]

I'm going to give you a little assignment. I want you to take a History course on US foreign policy. Be sure to start in 1953 and work your way back to our current times. Be sure to look for US interference around the world. Get to it boy. Get those books out and come back and report your findings. You are welcome in advance.

And who are you to call me names and order me around?

I assure you I know much more about US history than you do.

[curious]

Why do you think they attacked us on 9/11?

Since you are such an expert on this, you explain it to us. Bring us over to your way of thinking.

[curious]

Who is responsible for the hundreds of thousands (if not Millions) of civilian deaths in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen?
Who should pay for their deaths?

Saddam Hussein started the war with us that ended up engulfing Iraq.

The Taliban and al-Qaeda started the wars with us that involved Afghanistan and have since spilled over into Pakistan.

Al-qaeda started the war with us that has engulfed Yemen.

[antifoil]

again as a non bias rational, logical judge a birth cert has been presented to show he was born within the united states so there is your positive proof. the evidence presented is considered to be valid under any circumstance in which a birth cert is required. so under these circumstances a rational, logical person would accept these as factual evidence unless there is something to proof those items to be invalid. without such proof, it would be illogical to make that assumption.

of course there is no evidence of him having an indonesia passport, at least none i could find, so a non bias, rational person would have to err on the side of the evidence and conclude one does not exist until it has been shown. of course that doesn't mean one doesn't exist but without such evidence it would illogical to conclude that one does other than with theories, which have little value in the realm of reason.

[TU]

And who are you to call me names and order me around?

I assure you I know much more about US history than you do.

I think it is pretty clear that you do not.

[TU]

Saddam Hussein started the war with us that ended up engulfing Iraq.

The Taliban and al-Qaeda started the wars with us that involved Afghanistan and have since spilled over into Pakistan.

Al-qaeda started the war with us that has engulfed Yemen.

You have failed again. We started the war. We have stuck our nose in their region for years. Then you are surprised when a few Muslims fly airplanes into our buildings? What would you have done if you had witnessed the US killing your fellow countrymen for decades? Try to look at the world from different angles.

[TU]

Saddam Hussein started the war with us that ended up engulfing Iraq.

The Taliban and al-Qaeda started the wars with us that involved Afghanistan and have since spilled over into Pakistan.

Al-qaeda started the war with us that has engulfed Yemen.

Tell us how they started these wars. I am anxious to hear this.

[antifoil]

oh i also wanted to comment on the kelo case madcap mentioned. your characterization of the case is a bit simplistic, but most here don't know about it or have read the case. in my estimation, it is one of the worst scotus decision is quite some time. i didn't mind the standard used to be for public use to but changing it to public purpose really damages the 5th amendment. but in a sense you are right because theoretically the government can take property from one individual and give it to another private entity so long as it is for a public purpose.

as a person that hates all things against the 5th and 6th amendment including courts carving away at all the warren court's decisions on police interrogations and fruit of the poisonous tree. this one is just as reprehensible.

[ShamsWoof10]

Nope. The long form birth certificate was never released. The ad run in the paper is an ad that anyone can run and just says that someone was born. The current governor of Hawaii has said that they have not yet found the long form birth certificate. Those are the facts.

This issue is really easy to resolve. The state of Hawaii releases the long form birth certificate which shows at which Hawaiian hospital Obama was born and which doctor did the delivery. Simple.

Now, once that issue is cleared up, there is another thorny problem. Obama possessed an Indonesian passport and Indonesian citizenship during a time when Indonesia did not respect dual citizenship. So, that has to be explained. Again, simple.

I don't understand why asking for these two things is even an issue.

Ok curious answer me this... If I wanted to run for president do I have to send anyone my birth certificate and if so WHO and WHEN..? To be clear i am asking for specifics according to what is specified not "curious law"... If you don't know then say so...

By the way I don't know how things work in Indonesia but in lebanon and most corrupt countries (which is all of them) there are two sets of rules one set for the public and the other for people with money or connections... It sounds like Obama's father could have developed those connections..

You can look back at my posts and you'll see I posted (june 08') that since Obama attended the June 08' "Bilderburger Conference" in Virginia he was chosen to be the next president.. I called it a LOCK and that he would win in a blowout for that reason alone.. he did and so do you think anyone with any real power gives two sh*ts about his place of birth or the constiution..?

[The Madcap]

oh i also wanted to comment on the kelo case madcap mentioned. your characterization of the case is a bit simplistic, but most here don't know about it or have read the case. in my estimation, it is one of the worst scotus decision is quite some time. i didn't mind the standard used to be for public use to but changing it to public purpose really damages the 5th amendment. but in a sense you are right because theoretically the government can take property from one individual and give it to another private entity so long as it is for a public purpose.

as a person that hates all things against the 5th and 6th amendment including courts carving away at all the warren court's decisions on police interrogations and fruit of the poisonous tree. this one is just as reprehensible.

Yeah, it's simplistic, but what do you want? This ain't a con-law class, it's a gambling forum.

Technological advances are rendering a lot of the Warren court's decisions obsolete or inadequate when it comes to 4th/5th/6th Amendment issues. You should take it upon yourself to study up on what precautions can be taken in order to best ensure that what you want to keep private stays private.

The reality of the situation, whether we as Americans are willing to admit it or not, is that the increasing frequency of judicial activism in this country will eventually render the Constitution powerless and weaken the credibility of the Supreme Court to the point that there will be no faith or trust in common law. And so you best protect yourself. Because you better believe Johnny Law ain't respecting your rights in the future if those rights are re-defined every 4-8 years depending on whose lawyers are running the show in D.C.

[ShamsWoof10]

WHOever asks for it, WHENever they ask. Do I have reasonable suspicion that you are not a natural born citizen? Do I have reasonable suspicion that you are hiding important details about your younger life?.

If I wanted to get a state i.d. I need to provide a birth certificate and social security card to the DMV and it must be valid or I don't get one it's that simple... There is no whoever or whenver there is a guideline period... This is to get a state i.d. not apply to be the president of the United States...

"Do I have reasonable suspicion" well who the f*ck is "I" because it certainly is not YOU!!! They don't just ask for documents to get an i.d. if they are suspicious they ask because it's a requirment... I am guessing they don't just let someone run for president and only ask for documents if they get suspicious...

Well no shit they don't care, but what better way to foil their plans than to kick their stooge out of office. Only problem is we would get that dolt Biden. We would possibly even get to throw out all the legislation passed in the last 2 years. Probably not though since they'd probably just have to get Biden to sign everything.

If they gave us one what are the odds they also provided the other?

I love this rah rah attitude Americans get like they are actually going to do something... You know damn well no one is going to do sh*t and no one is going to "foil" any plans because they don't even know what the plans are...

By the way watch what important events Sarah Palin attends in the next two years... She could be their next choice...

[ShamsWoof10]

Well who the f*ck is "They"? Last time I checked government is accountable to the people, NOT itself.
I'm not claiming anything is invalid. WTF does a state ID have to do with anything? Illegal Aliens have no problem getting IDs and Driver's licenses.
No fukin shit it's a requirement, that's why it's a big deal that he REFUSES to release it. No one has verified the original long form BC. It took over a year for the state of Hawaii to even go on the record to say that he was born in Hawaii.
Why go to such lengths to prove something with non-evidence and go to such lengths to stop the release of the one and only piece of solid evidence?.

It must have been a LONG time since you checked... check again!!!

Well if you want to know who "they" are then you can START at cfr.org or look at the guest list for who attended the "Bilderburg Conference"... You would be wasting your time though because you wouldn't recognize most of the names only their positions i.e. a CEO or another high level position... I use to look at the list but it's long and I had no idea who 90% of them were but what I found interesting is almost every element of society had a representative there.. It stretches from media of all forms to bankers and everything in between...

No fukin shit it's a requirement, that's why it's a big deal that he REFUSES to release it. No one has verified the original long form BC. It took over a year for the state of Hawaii to even go on the record to say that he was born in Hawaii. Why go to such lengths to prove something with non-evidence and go to such lengths to stop the release of the one and only piece of solid evidence?.

So the state of Hawaii CONFIRMED he was born in Hawaii but that's not enough for you??? Did they guess he was born there or do they have something on file?

Really man... get a real issue!!!