[itchypickle]

[QUOTE][/QUOTEYou would think that getting a voucher for tax payer funded housing aid would cause people to be thankful...but....that entails some common decency and morality. Instead riot police had to come to the scene outside of Atlanta to break up fights from the greedy people. Guess waiting in line for the handout is harder than spending a full day working for the same thing....so they began to act like idiots.

http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/crow...ng-589653.html


Oddly enough...doesn't the picture remind anyone of Obama's inauguration crowd?? Just sayin.....

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[lyon804]

Not surprising at all. I went to college and one of my classes I had to walk by the financial aid office were the students were getting there government grants and various other hand outs and they would sit and line and bitch and moan and groan about the wait. Most american's are not worthy of any gratuity. A good reason why most churches decide to do there mission trips oversee's instead of in there local communities. At least places like Ecuador the families are very appreciative of the aid. Who really wants to assist anybody that is not appreciative.

[Facepunch]

Just sad, but very very typical. My generation's mascot is the open hand, I am embarrassed to think that I will some day have children and grandchildren that will associate me with the entitlement generation

[itchypickle]

Gonzo.....ever been to an early season SEC football game? 90,000 -100,000 people in close quarters in 100 degree heat...havin a blast..and that COSTS money..not being given it. Ever been to Turner field in late June or July? 30,000 people in the sun watching a game and having beer and dogs....no problem....see a trend here?

[Waterstpub87]

Just sad, but very very typical. My generation's mascot is the open hand, I am embarrassed to think that I will some day have children and grandchildren that will associate me with the entitlement generation

I assume your in the same range I am 18-28 or so. Not are fault, look at our parents generation. Dropping acid and all that, the hippies. At least we are motivated by greed.

[golfrulz]

hey what's wrong with hippies man.....the days of peace n love. sit ins. peace marches. golden rule. the beatles. the stones. music with meaning. woodstock. i was a part of that generation and if you were ya had the time of your life......if only i could remember any of it.

[itchypickle]

You know full well that the two scenarios are not logically comparable.

My point was that crowds can easily gather without having to act out...especially when the purpose of the gathering is to receive assistance. I do think it boils down to socioeconomic issues...whether it be inner city blacks..or trailer park whites. Both overwhelmingly raise kids with stereotypes born from the parents' own lack of success in life. If you constantly tell a kid that no matter how hard he works, they will never hold a good job becuase the color of their skin and that you have to hold animosity toward other segments of society...you set them up for failure. If you allow them to settle for mediocrity and berate others who hold white collar jobs as 'less than a man' etc....you set them up for failure. Until that sort of crap changes...incidents like this in Atlanta will continue to happen.

[curious]

....so they began to act like idiots.

They weren't acting.

[lyon804]

Gonzo.....ever been to an early season SEC football game? 90,000 -100,000 people in close quarters in 100 degree heat...havin a blast..and that COSTS money..not being given it. Ever been to Turner field in late June or July? 30,000 people in the sun watching a game and having beer and dogs....no problem....see a trend here?

Good point. I actually went to Turner Field last Wednesday when the Braves played the Mets and it was scorching. All adults were sweating through there clothes, but there were no issues and there were 30,000+ fans at the game.

[Data]

I do think it boils down to socioeconomic issues...whether it be inner city blacks..or trailer park whites. Both overwhelmingly raise kids with stereotypes born from the parents' own lack of success in life. If you constantly tell a kid that no matter how hard he works, they will never hold a good job becuase the color of their skin and that you have to hold animosity toward other segments of society...you set them up for failure.

The failure that goes up and down in those families' trees is due to the fact that intelligence is inheritable.

[dollarbill]

attention please we have 100 jobs that pay $8.00 an hour and the next 1000 people who sign in will be hired.......

Everyone would have left

[BWest]

attention please we have 100 jobs that pay $8.00 an hour and the next 1000 people who sign in will be hired.......

Everyone would have left

The LA Dodgers held their annual hiring event in the spring of this year. They had more people apply for the 100+ part-time minimum wage jobs at the ballpark than at any time EVER since they began hiring part -timers. I guess life in LA has gotten a little boring and people are looking for anything to entertain themselves. I guess your horse and buggy have not made it to the big city to sell hay bales since the Eisenhower Administration. Aww shucks, I gotta go, Cleatus left the dang barn door open again. I'm not sure how you hire a 1000 people for 100 jobs. I'll have to leave that up to some smart city folk who know all 'bout such economic things and such. Bye now, you all have good day....ya hear.

[brooks85]

29,700 people who dont deserve shit.

notice I left room for the 1% of people who deserve it. I know a few section 8 housing areas, ya they are great

[Data]

i q's are much lower for many people these days.

That is actually two way street. If you take a given genetically identifiable group of people then the IQs of group members rise over the years. That is the positive tendency, the people of yesterday were dumber than the people of today. The negative tendency is that the dumb people breed much faster. With economic condition improved, the rich smart people help the dumber poor people to lower their child mortality rates. So, in turn, the percentage of the dumb people increases.

[jram68]

Uncle Tom...er..Barry doesnt have enough handouts for all his brothas & sistas in this country does he?

[lyon804]

That is actually two way street. If you take a given genetically identifiable group of people then the IQs of group members rise over the years. That is the positive tendency, the people of yesterday were dumber than the people of today. The negative tendency is that the dumb people breed muchfaster. With economic condition improved, the rich smart people help the dumber poor people to lower their child mortality rates. So, in turn, the percentage of the dumb people increases.

Very saddening, but also very true. Most of the smarter people I know have a max of 2 children. Rare instances do I see smart people have more children than this. I know they do, but it is an exception. Now, the loser's of society all seem to breed at extrememly high rates and have anywhere from 4-8 children routintely in which more times than not are subsizdized by the federal government.... MY tax dollars, YOUR tax dollars "hard" at work. The problem is the visciuos cycle that keeps repeating over and over again. It's a shame that the government actually encourages this behavior by giving additional money per child for the non producers of the country typically black.


My proposal.. Since welfare or other entitlement programs are not going away is this. The "low" IQ members of society that do not work or will not work should have a cap on breeding. For example let's use this typical situation.. A single black female that supposedly that is 25 yrs old and is drawing 'disability' that is just as healthy as you or me give her a max of 2K a month and subtract $250 a month for child born. Most example the government will give her additional $500 a month per child so what you end up with is multiple children by multiple fathers just for the additional income. Do we really need more people like this breeding polluting an already over populated by more malcontent members of society? I think not.


watch an NBA game or NFL game and more times than not you will find the star of the team or player being promoted does not know who his father is or does not have a relationship with him. FACT. As I stated earlier. The viscious cycle continues.

[BigdaddyQH]

The dumb poor people can get birth control pills for free. That is not the problem. The problem is that the dumb people (i.e. the minorities) think that they can collect more welfare if they have more kids.

[Data]

My proposal.. Since welfare or other entitlement programs are not going away is this. The "low" IQ members of society that do not work or will not work should have a cap on breeding.

I agree. The dumber people's IQs are similar to age-unadjusted IQs of kids, or teens at best. Neither of the latter groups are allowed to breed and vote. Same principles should apply to welfare recipients. This is fair and makes sense.

[curious]

Data's right. There is a statistically significant correlation between a country's education level and its birth rate.

Actually the correlation is between a country's per capita GDP (and indivdual's earning potential) and its birth rate.

But, there is most likely an indirect correlation between education level and per capita GDP, because education level affects income level but the real correlation is income level and birth rate. One reason that birth rates drop in higher GDP societies, after women join the workface in large numbers, is that the opportunity cost to the women for having babies is too high. A woman's most productive income earning years are also the peak child bearing years. Many women decide that having babies will negatively impact their career to a degree that they deem not worth the trade off.

A woman who has no job or has a very low paying job does not have to make a decision like this. There is no opportunity cost to consider.

Also, higher income, higher education level people will be adamant about their children attending good (expensive) schools, so they will count the education expense in their consideration whether or not to have children. People who are not college educated do not have as strong a drive to ensure that their children go to college, so they don't consider this cost.

One very bizarre policy that the federal government (liberal idiots) put in place for welfare is that a SINGLE woman with children gets welfare, and gets more welfare for each child, but a MARRIED woman cannot get welfare. So, the government is rewarding women who have children out of wedlock and punishing women who get married. The government also rewards having more children while punishing those who have fewer children. This is partly why the rate of babies born to single mothers is so high. Among the black community unwed mothers account for +60% of all childbirths.

The consequences of this are very disturbing. Here is a quote from an article discussing this issue: " Indeed, the number of single moms poses serious social and public-policy dilemmas. It has been well documented and reported, for example, that children born to unmarried women are far more likely to live in poverty, suffer abuse and be neglected. Girls born into these families are more likely to become pregnant than children living with their married parents and continue the generational cycle of unwed motherhood.

Children from low-income, fatherless households are also more likely to become school dropouts. Children in these families tend to be lower achievers than those from two-parent, higher-income families. These trends generally exist even when a stepfather is present.

Studies also have concluded that children growing up without their biological father are more likely to abuse drugs and alcohol, commit suicide, engage in crime and be incarcerated. "

As usual the liberal's feel good policy (welfare) has negative consequences out of all proportion with any "good" that could be claimed.

[lyon804]

I agree. The dumber people's IQs are similar to age-unadjusted IQs of kids, or teens at best. Neither of the latter groups are allowed to breed and vote. Same principles should apply to welfare recipients. This is fair and makes sense.

I am all for it. This country use to have a 'poll tax' that's primary focus was to eliminate these types of people. The Democrats of course had this repealed in time for obvious reason's. It is not healthy or fair for the country that a large segment of the population is allowed to vote that does not have the IQ to make an informed decision.


Quote... I once read. "problem with a democracy is over time people will tend to vote more and more for the candidate that promises the most gifts from the Treasury" Author-unknown.

^^ We have evidence of this today.

I love being an American and proud of my heritage, but at the same time we will not sustain as a country at these levels.

Another thing about a Democracy.. It's only an experiment. Who knows what the future holds, but it appears bleak.

[lyon804]

Very nice post curious! I expresses similar concerns in post #22. I believe you were more descrpitive and articulate and backed it up with facts however.

[curious]

I am all for it. This country use to have a 'poll tax' that's primary focus was to eliminate these types of people. The Democrats of course had this repealed in time for obvious reason's. It is not healthy or fair for the country that a large segment of the population is allowed to vote that does not have the IQ to make an informed decision.


Quote... I once read. "problem with a democracy is over time people will tend to vote more and more for the candidate that promises the most gifts from the Treasury" Author-unknown.

^^ We have evidence of this today.

I love being an American and proud of my heritage, but at the same time we will not sustain as a country at these levels.

Another thing about a Democracy.. It's only an experiment. Who knows what the future holds, but it appears bleak.

Here's the problem. This country USED to have an ethic of hard work and self sufficiency. Malingering and living on the dole was not tolerated. I'm 52 and my parents made our (my brother and sisters and I) lives a living Hell if we were not working while we were living in their house. I had to start working at the age of 14. The idea asking for or accepting a handout was just not acceptable. Up until the early 60s the overwhelming majority of people believed in hard work and self sufficiency. Then the liberals started getting influence and convincing entire classes of people that they were "owed" a hand out. Now we have the 3rd or 4th generation of these people who think that they are "owed" something. The liberals did this for their own political gain, they purposely created classes of people dependent on the liberals and their allies in government instead of being dependent on themselves, their familes, and their communities.

I know this is going to sound uncaring but this country has reached a tipping point. The demographics are against those of us who believe in hard work. The birth rates of those that make up the "you owe me a hand out" class exceed the birth rates of the "if it happened to you it is your fault" class. If something isn't done to turn this around soon, then those who will only vote for the DemoCong party in order to get what is "owed" to them will so outnumber those of us who believe in hard work that we will never win another election.

The entitlements will get bigger and bigger. The class warfare policies of the DemoCong will get more and more radical. Taxes will go higher and higher and eventuallly there will be no one left who can work to pay taxes because all the jobs will have moved offshore.

What is sad is that the DemoCong know this but it seems to be what they want. I guess they think that they will take over all the businesses (they sure can't create any on their own), but Cuba proved that doesn't work. When Castro took power Cuba had a thriving economy with factories and many brand name companies, like Coca-Cola, located there. Castro nationalized all of these businesses by siezing their property, like the Coca-Cola bottling plant, and a few years later all the companies had gone bankrupt and the properties were in total disarray due to not being maintained or operated properly.

I really fear for the future of my country because of the despicable DemoCong and their class warfare policies.

[lyon804]

Here's the problem. This country USED to have an ethic of hard work and self sufficiency. Malingering and living on the dole was not tolerated. I'm 52 and my parents made our (my brother and sisters and I) lives a living Hell if we were not working while we were living in their house. I had to start working at the age of 14. The idea asking for or accepting a handout was just not acceptable. Up until the early 60s the overwhelming majority of people believed in hard work and self sufficiency. Then the liberals started getting influence and convincing entire classes of people that they were "owed" a hand out. Now we have the 3rd or 4th generation of these people who think that they are "owed" something. The liberals did this for their own political gain, they purposely created classes of people dependent on the liberals and their allies in government instead of being dependent on themselves, their familes, and their communities.

I know this is going to sound uncaring but this country has reached a tipping point. The demographics are against those of us who believe in hard work. The birth rates of those that make up the "you owe me a hand out" class exceed the birth rates of the "if it happened to you it is your fault" class. If something isn't done to turn this around soon, then those who will only vote for the DemoCong party in order to get what is "owed" to them will so outnumber those of us who believe in hard work that we will never win another election.

The entitlements will get bigger and bigger. The class warfare policies of the DemoCong will get more and more radical. Taxes will go higher and higher and eventuallly there will be no one left who can work to pay taxes because all the jobs will have moved offshore.

What is sad is that the DemoCong know this but it seems to be what they want. I guess they think that they will take over all the businesses (they sure can't create any on their own), but Cuba proved that doesn't work. When Castro took power Cuba had a thriving economy with factories and many brand name companies, like Coca-Cola, located there. Castro nationalized all of these businesses by siezing their property, like the Coca-Cola bottling plant, and a few years later all the companies had gone bankrupt and the properties were in total disarray due to not being maintained or operated properly.

I really fear for the future of my country because of the despicable DemoCong and their class warfare policies.

I came from a very similar up bringing. I am much younger (31). I believe my group or generation is the last that hold these values you expressed. However, each generation is watered down more and more like you said so there is not near as many from my generation that subscribe to the same theories as you and me.


I agree with what you spelled out in clear terms in the above post. You are describing back door socialism to a tee and as you well know the problem with this is sooner or later you run out of other people's money to spend. Government has exploded to unhealthy levels and as you say the majority of the country or reliant on what can the government do for me mentaility which is causing havoc in today's society. Other than a few toys I enjoy having from being self sufficient and hard working I sometimes wonder why I work.. Perhaps it;s because I believe in working for it and earning it. Other part is I am white man that is married with kids and I understand there is no enttitlement program available for people like me.


Just like you I have the same concerns. Liberalism will be the end of this once proud country. Some say I am crazy, but I think it's all part of the bigger scheme of "New World Order". Our greedy, incompetent government is taking cues from the men behind the curatin..The real people in charge. Ask yourself.. Why is all this happening as you describe it? What better way to weaken a country? Strip the country of the wealth and dumb down the educational system to the point nobody knows or ask why. You wind up with a nation of zomby like followers.

The reason for this is too control the World.. Not just the US. The central banking system is behind this 100% and there are demonic forces hard at work to see this play out.


All sounds kind of crazy huh? Both links below are worth your time. Trust me.


Watch this on youtube and tell me what you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ

5 part flick take maybe 45 minutes to watch


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw

obama deception takes 2 hours to watch.

[Data]

Some say I am crazy, but I think it's all part of the bigger scheme of "New World Order". Our greedy, incompetent government is taking cues from the men behind the curatin..The real people in charge. Ask yourself.. Why is all this happening as you describe it? What better way to weaken a country? Strip the country of the wealth and dumb down the educational system to the point nobody knows or ask why. You wind up with a nation of zomby like followers.

The reason for this is too control the World.. Not just the US. The central banking system is behind this 100% and there are demonic forces hard at work to see this play out.


All sounds kind of crazy huh? Both links below are worth your time. Trust me.


Watch this on youtube and tell me what you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ

5 part flick take maybe 45 minutes to watch


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw

obama deception takes 2 hours to watch.

Phuck, what a disappointment, I just started liking you... Since I did, I'll throw you a ball, it is a long one but why not. Have you noticed that the posters who tend to spew delusional bullshit frequently post youtube links as the eye-openers and/or proofs to their views? Can you exlpain why?

[lyon804]

Phuck, what a disappointment, I just started liking you... Since I did, I'll throw you a ball, it is a long one but why not. Have you noticed that the posters who tend to spew delusional bullshit frequently post youtube links as the eye-openers and/or proofs to their views? Can you exlpain why?

Tell you what. How about you watch the links I provided and report back to me exactly what is delusional. That would be a better idea than jumping to conclusions. Another thing is this.. You can't group me in the same class as the "others". I am well educated and self sufficient and i survive independent of government welfare.

[lyon804]

Data,


Are you delusional enough to believe the Federal Reserve is Federal? What about the bail out's. Were did the money come from and who got it?


Alot of people say things like delusional when things are brought to there attention that is too difficult to understand and painful to believe.


I'd love to here were I am delusional.

[rkelly110]

Does any one know if welfare is taxed and these people having 8 kids, does the money
quit after the kids reach a certain age?

I pay tax on my unemployment. (sorry, I'm taking money from the man, I'm a piece of shit)

[Data]

Data,


Are you delusional enough to believe the Federal Reserve is Federal?

Why do you think I do? I am aware of what the Fed is, no less than any other Ron Paul supporter and the Fed hater.

What about the bail out's.

Disgusting.

Were did the money come from ...?

The Fed has that magical ability to create money just by expanding their sheet.

money...who got it?

Mostly Goldman Sachs (yes, I am a little aware of their role too), GM got a sizable chunk too.

Alot of people say things like delusional when things are brought to there attention that is too difficult to understand and painful to believe.


I'd love to here were I am delusional.

The delusional part comes once a person starts talking about conspiracies. The people who disregard Occam's razor and come up with controversial theories that cannot be proven are delusional.

I believe I answered your questions, now you answer mine.

[Data]

Does any one know if welfare is taxed and these people having 8 kids, does the money
quit after the kids reach a certain age?

I do not know for sure but I guess it does not matter in the end. If paid, they get those paid taxes back.

I pay tax on my unemployment. (sorry, I'm taking money from the man, I'm a piece of shit)

No shame in getting unemployment. It is an insurance, you paid for it while you worked. Another issue is that many people currently get welfare that is being presented as an extended unemployment.