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12-06-2007, 10:45 AM
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Did We Really Go to the Moon?
What does everybody think of this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1UEv2PIzl4 At the 2 minute 35 second mark of the video the flag is still. When the astronaut goes past it, it starts to move. There's an analysis of it here at the 3 minute 5 second mark. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC1legw5-gs |
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12-06-2007, 11:10 AM
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Hell no.. unless the moon has wind....
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12-06-2007, 01:31 PM
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I'm convinced we were there when we said we were, but I'm always willing to listen to the conspiracy theorists...as long as they bring more to the table than a flag moving a little bit in a youtube video.
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12-06-2007, 01:50 PM
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That being said I think it's like 9-11... There is not one but many elements that point to a likely fraud... After looking at it I am very convinced when didn't go but as with all staged events the bigger question is ...WHY..??? I don't spend much time on if it was or was not because you can usually determine that fairly quickly... Why was it done is always the bigger question that no one pays attention to.... Why takes much ore time... Last edited by ShamsWoof10; 12-06-2007 at 01:53 PM.. |
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12-06-2007, 01:54 PM
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Not sure, Shams. I would think that someone who truly believes it was a fake would be able to answer the question 'why' rather easily. Like I said, bring on the evidence to disprove we were there.
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12-06-2007, 02:05 PM
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Actually I believe from my research that a very short answer to why 9-11 and the moon where staged are related... |
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12-06-2007, 02:08 PM
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i would expect nothing nothing from someone with the always conspiratorial dollar bill symbol as his avatar
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12-06-2007, 02:10 PM
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B.. Who said it was "conspiratonial"...??? |
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12-06-2007, 02:23 PM
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A - nothing is wrong with it, but i am not suprised someone with your avatar is a proponent of conspiracy theories
B - check youtube again for conspiratorial videos on the symbols of the dollar bill (i dont call our currency a conspiracy, but i assume someone who buys into moon landing & 9/11 conspiracies would) sorry if that generalization doesn't ring true (though we both know it does) |
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12-06-2007, 02:38 PM
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I'm gonna take a guess here, not that I expect confirmation, but you have done very little if ANY research ON YOUR OWN...
Having a coversation with you about this would be like Ron Jaws having a conversation about coverages with a new born... In case you haven't noticed it's not a conspiracy (whatever that means) that it's there... It's also not a conspiracy that it means something... There are differant theories on what it means which is the right way to put it... I wouldn't expect you to understand that... You must think it just looked cute to "WHOEVER" designed the bill and went with it... Yeah ok!!! |
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12-06-2007, 02:58 PM
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12-06-2007, 02:59 PM
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shams...the symbol in question is the pyramid with an eye on the back of the dollar bill, below it is the latin inscription novus ordo seculorum, which translates as "New World Order."
or does it? what we have here is a compound error made up of bad latin, bad spelling, and poor history. had you taken latin, you might remember that the suffix "orum" is the genitive plural for nouns in the second declension. seculorum would have to be plural and mean "of the worlds," which seems a rather clumsy phrasing. it certainly would be if in fact the word in question was "seculorum. actually...the millenarian crowd has added the letter "u" between the "c" and the "l" of the word printed on the dollar, which is seclorum or "of the ages." thus, far from saying "new world order," novus ordo seclorum reads "new order of the ages." Since this symbol and motto are on the back of our country's great seal and were put there when the nation was being founded, they represent the revolutionary sentiment that by dispensing with kings, whose rule was autocratic and based on force, and replacing that system with a republic based on reason, balance of powers, and self rule, the founders of our nation were creating a new order for the ages |
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12-06-2007, 03:18 PM
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As a matter of fact "New World for the Ages " fits my research even better actually... Is there a chance they could mean the samething..??? The write up is great but I don't really focus much on the print below as I do the pryamid with the eye... In my opinion the Pyramid represents the true command structure on earth... I have a break down of it but it really wouldn't be worth putting up... |
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12-06-2007, 03:26 PM
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12-06-2007, 04:10 PM
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I am refering to the first landing... I did the samething I did with 9-11; I looked at the footage... I made the determination from what I saw in the footage... It's like the conclusion I made when I saw that commercial of LB James shooting full court shots and hitting them one after the other... When looking at that footage and knowing what I know about basketball I determined (REGARDLESS OF WHAT I SAW) that it's not real... If someone (like a friend of mine) doesn't either know altering footage can be done or shooting full court shots and making them with ease can not then they are very likely to think it's real... My one friend, and I just don't think he was paying attention, was WOWED when he saw that commercial at my place a few years ago... It was funny as f*ck... He looks over and says "HOOOLY FFFFF*CK did you see that..??" HE JUMPED OUT OF HIS SEAT!!! I said "You can't be serious.. that's not real dude.." laaaaaaaughing my as* off... Damn did he feel stupid.. I still remind him to get a good laugh once in a while... I played this game in 1994 and I was WOOOOOOOWED by it not to mention disturbed... Remember now I didn't read about this.. Me and my sister played this game... It was a ski game and nothing special about it except you control the guy WITH YOUR MIND ONLY!!! The guy at the computer store put a clip on my middle finger and it lead to a USB Port... I had to train the skier before the game which took about 30 secs... It commanded you to think Left, Right, Straight, and Stop... It actually copied my brain frequency for each specific thought... I figured that out because when I played again and it asked me to think left and on purpose I thought right.. When the game started I had to now think right if I wanted it to go left... If I had this technology with the ability to implement thoughts and you didn't know it existed I could and WOULD f*ck with all of you sooo bad... You would start having random thoughts like "ShamsWoof is god"...  Ooooh yeah I would get a tower and broadcast that frequency EEEEVERYWHERE.. F*ck the tower.. how about using a sat. to broadcast it... I want the whole globe to have "ShamsWoof is god" thoughts every day... |
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12-06-2007, 04:12 PM
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There's a lot of evidence that they didn't go to the moon.
There's a noticeable difference in the body movements in these two clips. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdMvQTNLaUE http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11v.1101330.rm What I hypothesize is that only slow-motion was used in Apollo 11. Later, they improved thier methods of simulating lunar gravity and started using a combination of slow-motion and support wires. The slow-motion in the later missions might not have been exactly half-speed. It might have been sixty five or seventy percent of natural speed. It looked better but it was inconsistent with Apollo 11 footage. The inconsistency is apparent. At around the 21 minute mark of this video the above footage from Apollo 11 can be seen played at double speed. http://video.google.es/videoplay?doc...57736&q=apollo It looks just like movement in earth gravity. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------- If you look at the acceleration of the object that falls from the astronaut's backpack and the acceleration of the hammer and feather that fall, it's apparent that the there's a difference in the way gravity affects the objects differently. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C5_dOEyAfk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK2Fy85VyRg Evidently the slow-motion speed is different. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------- Here are some videos. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgID31UpYfA&NR=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6MvcIs4OcQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdMvQTNLaUE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQj-Mh__fRc&NR=1 http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=sgID31UpYfA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vENebR5hsRs http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...89814268946247 This is interesting. http://www.nardwuar.com/vs/bill_kaysing/ http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm http://www.aulis.com/skeleton.html http://erichufschmid.net/Interview-w...rt-Sibrel.html http://www.geocities.com/apollotruth/ The astronauts look pretty nervous at the press conference. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RcKLAo62Ro Their behavior look pretty suspicious here too. It begins in the second half of the video. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...15730495966561 Some people say the moon rocks prove we went to the moon. There are a lot of plausible alternative scenarios for the moon rocks. All we have are documents that say they are real. If we aren't geologists in a laboratory looking at the rocks, we have no way of verifying that what we read is reflects reality. There may be a lot of scientists who have sold out and are lying about the rocks and we only read what they say. If there is video evidence that some of the footage was faked, it was probably all faked. Video evidence trumps what some documents or journals say as people can write lies. Here are some possible scenarios for the rocks. http://www.nardwuar.com/vs/bill_kaysing/index.html (excerpt) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------ Another point here is that the moon rocks were fake. Are the moon rocks real? No, they are not real. NASA has a well-developed ceramics laboratory with high-temperature ovens- That's another way NASA could prove they went to the moon, 'cause they brought back these rocks. Interestingly enough, at the University of British Columbia here, David Strangway, the President of U.B.C., was the guy in charge of inspecting the moon rocks. OK, fine, why don't you call him up and ask him what he thinks about them. So what happened, the moon rocks were not real? No, they were manufactured on Earth to look like moon rocks, but since nobody has any moon rocks to compare them with, it's very simple to make up a moon rock and say, hey, this came from the moon. Well, how would you know it is a moon rock? Like, how do you know it's not a moon rock - how do you know it's a fake? I had a Seattle geologist who examined moon rocks and he said, "There's no question, Bill, that these rocks were made in a laboratory on Earth." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------ http://www.erichufschmid.net/MoreInf...Challenge.html (excerpt) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------ 9) Moon rocks are in Antarctica? Barbara Cohen, a researcher from the University of New Mexico, was picking up rocks in Antarctica. She sent them to Houston, Texas for an analysis. The scientists in Houston discovered that one of the Antarctic rocks closely matched the NASA moon rocks. The scientists then concluded that one of the rocks from Antarctica was actually from the moon: www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6620370/ How did rocks from the moon get in Antarctica? NASA and Ms. Cohen want us to believe that a big meteor crashed into the moon a while ago, and pieces of the moon were sent flying into space. A few of those pieces landed in Antarctica. Take a look at how far away the moon is from the earth. If it were true that rocks were ejected from the moon with such velocity that they could escape the moon's gravity and fly out into space, what are the chances that any of them would survive the fall through the atmosphere and land on tiny Antarctica hundreds of thousands of kilometers away? Furthermore, the rock has to land in a location where humans can find it many years later. A more sensible explanation is that the NASA moon rocks were rocks from Antarctica. Therefore, when someone travels to Antarctica and sends rock samples to Houston, Texas for analysis, some of the rocks will closely match the Apollo moon rocks. |
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12-06-2007, 04:21 PM
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Now this is good stuff... I didn't even begin to think about slow motion being used... I am going to go over your post in more detail.... Good stuff... What are the odds this poster did more research then ETO..? Well Willie let's take a look at these points and see what we think...... huh..? |
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12-06-2007, 04:44 PM
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Thanks. I don't usually hear much positive feedback.
One of the possible reasons they had to fake it was because of space radiation. The theory is that the governent wasn't making public what it really knew about space radiation. Here's some stuff I found about it. http://www.geocities.com/apollotruth/ (excerpt) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------- There is an old saying that "A liar needs a good memory". Nowhere is this more true than in the Apollo program. NASA tell lies to cover up previous lies, and other discrepancies uncovered by people investigating the Moon landings. Altering previous data, removing photographs, and retracting statements made, only re-enforces the evidence that NASA are on the run, and being forced into a corner to which they cannot escape. The actions of those under investigation makes the investigator more aware they are bluffing. The longer that person, or persons, who make the extravagant claims continue, the more lies they have to tell in order to counteract it, until it reaches the point where it becomes ridiculous. That point was passed in July 1999, when NASA officials were questioned about the Moon landings on television. They dodged the all important questions like a drifter dodges the heat. Many Apollo astronauts have long since died, as to have many of the original NASA officials involved in the scam, consequently current officials, who know that Apollo was a fake, have not quite got it right when talking openly in public. Perhaps the biggest slip of the tongue was made by NASA Chief Dan Goldin when interviewed by UK TV journalist Sheena McDonald in 1994. He said that mankind cannot venture beyond Earth orbit, 250 miles into space, until they can find a way to overcome the dangers of cosmic radiation. He must have forgot that they supposedly sent 27 astronauts 250,000 miles outside Earth orbit 36 years earlier. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vENebR5hsRs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ65d30kYME two sets of radiation data http://hey_223.tripod.com/bulldogleb...oooo/id82.html (excerpt) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------- To prove his thesis, Rene tries to get certain solar data from NATIONAL OCEANIC & ATMOSPHERIC ADMINISTRATION, (NOAA) using clever techniques to disguise his true intentions, [i.e. to get true data on solar flares.] NOAA, unfortunately, proved to be as cagey as Rene in dodging the giving out of any really good DETAILS on this matter, [you know, where the devil resides.] Rene, seeing games being played, deduced that there must be two sets of data, one which is sent to scientists on the preferred list, and one sent to the likes of Rene as casual strangers. (p.125) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------- http://ocii.com/~dpwozney/apollo5.htm http://www.erichufschmid.net/MoreInf...Challenge.html http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/in...9659&hl=apollo |
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12-06-2007, 06:23 PM
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But let's say you've convinced me it was a hoax. Tell me how many people had to have been in on the hoax to start with? Twenty? Thirty? A hundred? Several hundred? Maybe a thousand or even thousands? How many? How far down the chain and up the chain did this fraud go?
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12-06-2007, 11:27 PM
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wouldn't it be sooo cool if someone would send a mission to the moon with the soul purpose of stealing the flag? how much would that go for on ebay!
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12-07-2007, 02:34 AM
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12-07-2007, 06:14 AM
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10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1...LIFTOFF! The mission to prove once and for all we didn't go to the moon by going to the moon.
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12-07-2007, 07:14 AM
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12-07-2007, 10:35 AM
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I've always enjoyed this discussion. Personally, I feel that there have been successful missions to the moon, but that's not really what interests me.
What does interest me is the reason behind those who feel it was a staged event, and forgive me if it is stated somewhere above. Is the general feeling that NASA, or whoever, just simply lacked the technology to achieve such an event? And if so, would it then stand to reason that every moon landing has been a fraud, or have humans now in fact "been up there" since? Would the original have been staged simply as a means of beating the Soviets, at long last? Because it stands to reason that up to that point in time, the United States was losing the Space Race, seeing that the Reds had already put the first object in space, had the first man in space, first woman, first spacewalk...Or were those achievements frauds as well? Anyway, very general questions I concede, but as I stated this topic does interest me. I'm a "Moon Believer" so to speak, but quite enjoy hearing and reading comments of those with the opposing view. Last edited by Stumpage; 12-07-2007 at 10:37 AM.. |
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12-07-2007, 11:00 AM
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no we didn't go to the moon
i've been down this path before and it still leads to NO there is a lot of evidence and common sense just start with the fact that the U.S. government has been known to be liars to their people and go from there |
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12-07-2007, 11:03 AM
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I'm in your camp as well, Stumpage, and the point is well made about whether it was just the first moon landing/walk or all moon landings/walks.
One of my favorite 'proofs' that it was a hoax regards Buzz Aldrin and some kook named Bart Sibrel. Love how the moon landing was a hoax, but if Aldrin had sworn on a Bible -- presumably to a God that is as much if not more of a myth than moon landings -- then it would've been valid  Quote:
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12-07-2007, 11:13 AM
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I agree with Stumpage that WHY is the more interesting question... As I said I feel that we did not and FatF has some good insight (the best I have seen any ONE person present)... Why would they do this is the question... I think the "Global Elite" want "World Goverment" and it's not even a theory anymore... For those who pay any attention, they simply come out and say it now... They don't say "New World for the Ages"... No motherf*ckers they say "NEW WORLD ORDER"... I don't know latin Eto but I do know English... AMERICAN POLITICANS SAY "NEW WORLD ORDER" IN ENGLISH.... end of point.. Anyway the USA united on 9-11 because they were attacked by "AN OUTSIDE THREAT" as it was pitched to them... Well there will come a time where the GLOBE will need to unite against "AN OUTSIDE THREAT".... What outside threat do you think they will use...??? Well I'll give you a hint: take a look at OLooker's avatar... I don't believe in those either... I believe in UFO's but I DO NOT.. DO NOT believe they are from space flown by little aliens from outer space... Just as a reminder I am PRO WORLD GOVERMENT... I think it's a great idea actually... |
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12-07-2007, 11:24 AM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing_conspiracy
Lots of fascinating info, regardless of which side of the fence you are on with regards to the Landings. Either way, you'll find lots of "backup", whether you're a "Moonie" or a "Hoaxie".....Long read though..... |
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12-07-2007, 11:43 AM
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You know this is a key element in understanding why people are hard to convince... No one admits it but the media to the average person is like a dad to his little boy... If someone lied to you then after so many times you won't believe them no matter what they say... We can be lied to a million times over again and STILL buy into what we are told like it just can't be wrong... This has interested me for a long time now... People are stupid.... period... They understand corporations will do things for money or power but they can NOT correlate that major media, which influences their thoughts and decisions, is COMPLETELY owned by corporations... The 60 Minutes episode a few weeks ago is a good example... They had a special on Dr.'s taking insentives to push a drug that really wasn't needed... I can't believe how blantant they were about it... I had a friend who use to be a sales rep. for J&J and he told me in 99' that this was going on.... Guess what... people will STILL take whatever their Dr. says to take because who can they trust who will tell them otherwise... This is like the media... They can keep Bullsh*tting because where else are you going to go..? Last edited by ShamsWoof10; 12-07-2007 at 11:50 AM.. |
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 The part I don't get, Shams, is why you believe something as the gospel if it's on 60 Minutes yet in the same breath pooh-pooh the entire media. Do you believe CBS to be the only journalistic source that doesn't lie?
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World Goverment is still a great idea in my opinion and it can't come fast enough for me... Willie you must scim through posts or just missed the part where I said my friend in 99' was doing that exact thing... HE WAS ONE OF THEM WHO WAS OFFERING Dr.'s his drug as well as insentives... I don't need CBS(Viacom) to tell me sh*t but who is Willie going to trust more CBS(Viacom) or my friend Scotty... I trust my friend Scotty more then CBS(Viacom)... |
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12-07-2007, 12:34 PM
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I'm a fairly cynical, distrusting sort of guy, Shams. If you knew me, then you'd know that. But you don't know me, as I don't know you. I also don't know Viacom or Scotty, and therefore would not trust either, possibly wouldn't trust them if I did know them. And I certainly don't believe 99.9% of the stuff I read on message boards or the internet in general.
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You make it sound like you don't trust aaaaanybody... Well I hate to break it to you but your believe that we did go to the moon came from somewhere..duuuuuhhhh You are trusting that IT IS TRUE... If someone were to take the time (and it takes A LOT of time) to trace who owns what as far as sports teams, banks, Corporate Execs. and, politicans, you will notice a lot of the same people keep showing up or at the very least the same last names... |
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Don't give me this sh*t like you don't TRUST anyone... YOU HAVE TO because you can't be everywhere all the damn time... It's just saving face bullsh*t... I hate when people say "You don't know me." who cares I don't have to know you... I know you didn't go to the moon so you TRUSTED (even if you don't want to admit it) information giving to you by SOMEONE!!!! |
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