[ShamsWoof10]

Originally Posted by TexansFan

Shams, was the Vatican behind 9/11?

NO!

That's not get silly guys... If you can't answer my questions that's fine but don't get silly... lazy is bad enough...

That is the other thing that happens is they get goofy... They can't answer with real answers so goofy stuff like "hey maybe the aliens did it" is usually said to avoid having to come up with answers...

[TexansFan]

Originally Posted by ShamsWoof10

NO!

That's not get silly guys... If you can't answer my questions that's fine but don't get silly... lazy is bad enough...

That is the other thing that happens is they get goofy... They can't answer with real answers so goofy stuff like "hey maybe the aliens did it" is usually said to avoid having to come up with answers...

I'm not trying to get silly. There are actually people who believe that. I'm trying to get a feel on how you think. Again, you really need to go to TheRX and go to the Poli forum over there. You won't believe some of the stuff posted over there and it's poli forum is very active.

[pavyracer]

Originally Posted by ShamsWoof10

Now why can't you answer any of my questions..?

You are completely DISregarding the fact that the plane hit how many colums..? and yet you don't even factor that in...

Hello Mr. Engineer!!!! Going off of your straw example.. pushing the straw in would be the equivalant of the plane striking the colum or don't the plane count in this case...? Instead you "claim" the colums weakend because of fire...

You see what "offical backers" do... If they can't answer something or if the answer will discredit their theory they will just simply ignore it...

Sir I certainly hope you did not build/design the buildings I go in to...

Enroll in school soon and take a statics class.

[ShamsWoof10]

Originally Posted by pavyracer

Enroll in school soon and take a statics class.

This is your answer...? Enroll in school is your answer..?

Why am I surprised.... It's the same bullsh*t approach you took with the other comment about credit players....

You bet 5K 7 times... BIG ****IN' DEAL you are small change compared to credit players...

[ShamsWoof10]

Originally Posted by pavyracer

Enroll in school soon and take a statics class.

Let me try and ask you these questions again and don't give me this go back to school sh*t... If you don't know just say you don't know...

Here is a good shot of plane 2... Take a good HONEST (if you know what that means) look at it and you will need to look at it many times.... Freeze it as the plane is halfway inside the building and you will notice the wings after BEING HALF WAY THROUGH THE BUILDING DON'T EVEN MOVE...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BN-0K7OhDzQ



Now here are my questions which you won't be able to answer but I sure would like to see you try....

Look at the planes deminsions and the towers deminsions which I provided for your lazy as*es...

1.. How does a plane's WING SLICE CLEAN THROUGH those steel colums with absolutely NO resistance...?

2.. How does the nose of the plane and the WINGS go INTO the floor or floors with NO RESISTANCE..??? Note: the nose of the plane is mostly hollow aluminum with the exception of some electronics...

3.. Why doesn't the building collapse right away IF those WINGS actually SLICED through the colums of the building...?

Note: A 767 has a top speed of 360 MPH AT SEA LEVEL and if you ignore the clacker and over ride you can get it up near 400 MPH but THAT'S IT.... The media may say otherwise but that does NOT mean it can happen... It only means they said it did which is NOT THE SAME THING... although I know it is to you people....

You want me to take classes..? Why don't you take classes on action/reaction....

[ShamsWoof10]

You are not even going to try and bullsh*t your way through as you usually do..?

Since you bumped this thread and accused me of not knowing what I am talking about then I guess I'll have to keep asking you until you either admit you don't know or you give me some answers Mr. Engineer..

[pavyracer]

Originally Posted by ShamsWoof10

Let me try and ask you these questions again and don't give me this go back to school sh*t... If you don't know just say you don't know...

Here is a good shot of plane 2... Take a good HONEST (if you know what that means) look at it and you will need to look at it many times.... Freeze it as the plane is halfway inside the building and you will notice the wings after BEING HALF WAY THROUGH THE BUILDING DON'T EVEN MOVE...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BN-0K7OhDzQ

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Now here are my questions which you won't be able to answer but I sure would like to see you try....

Look at the planes deminsions and the towers deminsions which I provided for your lazy as*es...

1.. How does a plane's WING SLICE CLEAN THROUGH those steel colums with absolutely NO resistance...?

2.. How does the nose of the plane and the WINGS go INTO the floor or floors with NO RESISTANCE..??? Note: the nose of the plane is mostly hollow aluminum with the exception of some electronics...

3.. Why doesn't the building collapse right away IF those WINGS actually SLICED through the colums of the building...?

Note: A 767 has a top speed of 360 MPH AT SEA LEVEL and if you ignore the clacker and over ride you can get it up near 400 MPH but THAT'S IT.... The media may say otherwise but that does NOT mean it can happen... It only means they said it did which is NOT THE SAME THING... although I know it is to you people....

You want me to take classes..? Why don't you take classes on action/reaction....

I can tell you the way the buildings collapsed is what you expect when you lose the floor system in the building due to fire. The floor system in the towers was a steel open web joist floor system without steel beams or interior columns that was also used to brace the exterior columns of the building.

The open web joists were connected with a clip angle attached to the exterior walls with only a couple inches of bearing and a couple of inches of welding. Once the intense heat weakened the bearing connections of the open web joists, which are connected with bridging to act as a floor system, the joists started slipping off their connections and fell into the lower floors. Once the columns started losing their bracing at each level and also weakened by the heat the towers were doomed.

Each floor fell and pancaked on the floor below resulting in additional load imposed on the open web joists which overstressed and failed them. Without any lateral support the exterior columns imploded inwards and this is what you saw on TV.

It only needed a couple upper floors to be lost by heat for the whole building to collapse. If the 767's had empty fuel tanks the collision alone could not have tumpled the building over because it was designed to withstand hurricane wind force as well as earthquakes.

If the Sears Tower in Chicago was hit instead it probably could have survived because it has a complete skeleton of columns and beams made of steel which gives it more redundancy to resist the effets of fire.

[ShamsWoof10]

Look Pavy. I am not going to go off on you because you are trying to give an answer... You gave the same answer many times but none of this gibberish answers any of my questions... This is the same stuff I hear from media and that's where you got it too of course... You have so called knowledge in the field but the average American does not and they babble the same exact sh*t...

Either you both got your BS from the same programmer or EVERYONE is an engineer...

Originally Posted by pavyracer

I can tell you the way the buildings collapsed is what you expect when you lose the floor system in the building due to fire. The floor system in the towers was a steel open web joist floor system without steel beams or interior columns that was also used to brace the exterior columns of the building.

YOU can..? How is that.? Have you ever seen a steel building do this..? Has a steel building ever collapsed from a fire prior to 9-11..? It's what you'd expect..? Who would expect..? This sounds so cut and paste...

So how was it the ENTIRE PLANE went into the floor system without any resistance again..? After all that is what I asked...

Originally Posted by pavyracer

The open web joists were connected with a clip angle attached to the exterior walls with only a couple inches of bearing and a couple of inches of welding. Once the intense heat weakened the bearing connections of the open web joists, which are connected with bridging to act as a floor system, the joists started slipping off their connections and fell into the lower floors. Once the columns started losing their bracing at each level and also weakened by the heat the towers were doomed.

Each floor fell and pancaked on the floor below resulting in additional load imposed on the open web joists which overstressed and failed them. Without any lateral support the exterior columns imploded inwards and this is what you saw on TV.

PANCAKED..???? hahaha wow now that's a description I have never heard before when getting the media explanation to how the buildings collapsed.... I would appreciate if you didn't copy them word for word... The towers were "DOOMED"..? do you really talk that way... This all sounds so cut and paste...

So let me ask you a question I actually think you know the anser to... What are the floors made of in that building ...my guess is steel and concreate..? How did the plane completely and ENTIRELY go into these floors BEFORE all this gibberish you are talking about...

Originally Posted by pavyracer

It only needed a couple upper floors to be lost by heat for the whole building to collapse. If the 767's had empty fuel tanks the collision alone could not have tumpled the building over because it was designed to withstand hurricane wind force as well as earthquakes.

If the Sears Tower in Chicago was hit instead it probably could have survived because it has a complete skeleton of columns and beams made of steel which gives it more redundancy to resist the effets of fire.

By heat...? So you are basically ignoring video that suggests that the colums were cut by the wings right..? Heat was why they weaken not because a wings sliced each column... What is the wing span of a 767 and how many columns would have been effected... and how didn't the building instantly collapse..? Oh it was waiting on the heat..? LOL!!!

Look Pavy. if I wanted the MSNBC version I would ask for it... Pavy. since you went to school how about some laws of physics that explain how a plane can COMPLETELY go INTO a floor system as you call it..

For someone who claims to be educated in this field I would say this is a pathetic explanation...

[Dark Horse]

I only recently realized how the anthrax - of American origin - fit into the 9/11 picture.

Hint: it ain't the Afghan cave dwellers.

[ShamsWoof10]

You know Pavy.. I can actually say this and be completely honest about it... BatemanPatrick did a better job at trying to explain it then you have... I never thought I would say that...

Originally Posted by Dark Horse

I only recently realized how the anthrax - of American origin - fit into the 9/11 picture.

Hint: it ain't the Afghan cave dwellers.

I won't mind if you fill me in... I have heard there is a connection but I never fully looked into it... What you got..?

[Dark Horse]

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[Dark Horse]

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[Dark Horse]

Hypothesis:

The anthrax was sent to two government representatives, and one of the main media.

WHY?

What was the point of doing so? It's not that hard to figure out that the official 9/11 theory is absurd. So it couldn't hurt to give government and media a little added incentive to walk the line.

Was somebody trying to tell us something along the lines of this, seemingly unrelated, story (previously posted). For the record, this story is now officially 'classified', along with the other damaging 9/11 stuff on Israel:



You do the math. Is somebody telling us that they have the means, and intention, to use biological weapons against us?

[ShamsWoof10]

I believe this is the four part special they had covering the Isreali's spy ring and the ones who were dancing and celebrating on 9-11... Correct me if I am wrong but I think they mentioned two Isreali companies in charge of comuincations and billing... I can't remember the companies but one started with a C... There was also art students involved with tapping certain goverment officals and I gotta admit the way they did it was very clever...

Are you saying that because of the Isreali spy ring all together that certain people were being let's just say "influenced" to bury the spy ring case..?

I can see that...

ok nevermind I just read this post from above..

Originally Posted by Dark Horse

Hypothesis:
The anthrax was sent to two government representatives, and one of the main media.
WHY?
What was the point of doing so? It's not that hard to figure out that the official 9/11 theory is absurd. So it couldn't hurt to give government and media a little added incentive to walk the line.
Was somebody trying to tell us something along the lines of this, seemingly unrelated, story (previously posted). For the record, this story is now officially 'classified', along with the other damaging 9/11 stuff on Israel:

You do the math. Is somebody telling us that they have the means, and intention, to use biological weapons against us?

Excuse me I"m a little stoned here but are you saying the media and goverment officals not in the know needed to be or were intimidated incase there are some who might not want to play along..?

[Dark Horse]

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[pavyracer]

The twin towers building frame was not a complete structural steel frame with beams and columns interconnected. It had an exterior steel column frame but no interior columns and beams. The stairwells and elevator shafts were mabe of reinforced concrete. The open web bar joists that were used to form the floors are primarily composed of 2x2 inch steel angles 1/4 inch thick that are welded together to form an open web truss. It is very difficult to apply sufficient fireproofing material on very small and thin members that have gaps between them. These open web bar joists were connected to the exterior columns on very small bearing clip angles with a bearing of 3 inches and about 2 inches of thin weld per side. The initial impact of the airplane severed several columns because of the maginitude of the plane and the speed it was travelling but did not cause sufficient damage to collapse the building because it was designed to resist hurricane force winds and earthquakes that are lateral loads induced to the building similar to the plane impact. The 2,000 degree fire of the jet fuel, the absense of fire sprinklers, the knocking off of the fireproofing from the force impact and the rest of the paper/carpet and other flammable materials in the offices resulted in the melting of the connections of the bar joists from their supports (it's very easy to meld 1/4" thick steel in a two hour fire burning at 2,000 degrees). Once two floors collapsed then the domino effect of the excessive load imposed on the floor below from the weight of the rubble and the fact that the exterior columns lost the interior floors that were bracing them in their weak axis which cause them to buckle resulted in the total collapse of the building.

I composed this on my own without reading any media or copy and paste because I'm a forensic expert in structural engineering.

[ShamsWoof10]

Originally Posted by pavyracer

The twin towers building frame was not a complete structural steel frame with beams and columns interconnected. It had an exterior steel column frame but no interior columns and beams. The stairwells and elevator shafts were mabe of reinforced concrete. The open web bar joists that were used to form the floors are primarily composed of 2x2 inch steel angles 1/4 inch thick that are welded together to form an open web truss. It is very difficult to apply sufficient fireproofing material on very small and thin members that have gaps between them. These open web bar joists were connected to the exterior columns on very small bearing clip angles with a bearing of 3 inches and about 2 inches of thin weld per side. The initial impact of the airplane severed several columns because of the maginitude of the plane and the speed it was travelling but did not cause sufficient damage to collapse the building because it was designed to resist hurricane force winds and earthquakes that are lateral loads induced to the building similar to the plane impact. The 2,000 degree fire of the jet fuel, the absense of fire sprinklers, the knocking off of the fireproofing from the force impact and the rest of the paper/carpet and other flammable materials in the offices resulted in the melting of the connections of the bar joists from their supports (it's very easy to meld 1/4" thick steel in a two hour fire burning at 2,000 degrees). Once two floors collapsed then the domino effect of the excessive load imposed on the floor below from the weight of the rubble and the fact that the exterior columns lost the interior floors that were bracing them in their weak axis which cause them to buckle resulted in the total collapse of the building.

I composed this on my own without reading any media or copy and paste because I'm a forensic expert in structural engineering.

How do you not understand what I am asking...? You keep talking about some fire bullsh*t as the cause and just ignore my questions... Did you even look at the video..? Did you pause it as it was entering the building..? Did you notice the wings not move AT ALL as the plane was entering the building..? DO YOU REALIZE THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE..???

How about we try this again and please try and answer MY questions not YOUR OWN!!!

This is how your answer should start off...

The plane was able to go completely INTO the building, columns, and floor system with NO RESISTANCE because.... <<< now you fill in the rest....

Now here are my questions which you won't be able to answer but I sure would like to see you try....

Look at the planes deminsions and the towers deminsions which I provided for your lazy as*es...

1.. How does a plane's WING SLICE CLEAN THROUGH those steel colums with absolutely NO resistance...?

2.. How does the nose of the plane and the WINGS go INTO the floor or floors with NO RESISTANCE..??? Note: the nose of the plane is mostly hollow aluminum with the exception of some electronics...

3.. Why doesn't the building collapse right away IF those WINGS actually SLICED through the colums of the building...?

Note: A 767 has a top speed of 360 MPH AT SEA LEVEL and if you ignore the clacker and over ride you can get it up near 400 MPH but THAT'S IT.... The media may say otherwise but that does NOT mean it can happen... It only means they said it did which is NOT THE SAME THING... although I know it is to you people....

Originally Posted by pavyracer

The twin towers building frame was not a complete structural steel frame with beams and columns interconnected. It had an exterior steel column frame but no interior columns and beams.

NO F*CKIN' SH*T... There is a picture of it above Mr. Holmes... SO HOW THE F*CK DID THE PLANE AND IT'S WINGS SLICE THROUGH THOSE COLUMNS WITH NO RESISTANCE..???? OH YEAH AND THE FLOOR SYSTEM..????

YOU DON'T KNOW!!!

[pavyracer]

Forensic degree in structural engineering and 15 years of experience does not qualify me to explain what happened.

When you are travelling with your car and a tiny pebble weighing 5 grams hits your windshield and shatters it does it mean that the 5 gram pebble is stronger than 1 inch thick laminated glass of your windshield?

Think before you make outrageous questions. You expose your ignorance.

[Dark Horse]

Originally Posted by pavyracer

The twin towers building frame was not a complete structural steel frame with beams and columns interconnected. It had an exterior steel column frame but no interior columns and beams. The stairwells and elevator shafts were mabe of reinforced concrete. The open web bar joists that were used to form the floors are primarily composed of 2x2 inch steel angles 1/4 inch thick that are welded together to form an open web truss. It is very difficult to apply sufficient fireproofing material on very small and thin members that have gaps between them. These open web bar joists were connected to the exterior columns on very small bearing clip angles with a bearing of 3 inches and about 2 inches of thin weld per side. The initial impact of the airplane severed several columns because of the maginitude of the plane and the speed it was travelling but did not cause sufficient damage to collapse the building because it was designed to resist hurricane force winds and earthquakes that are lateral loads induced to the building similar to the plane impact. The 2,000 degree fire of the jet fuel, the absense of fire sprinklers, the knocking off of the fireproofing from the force impact and the rest of the paper/carpet and other flammable materials in the offices resulted in the melting of the connections of the bar joists from their supports (it's very easy to meld 1/4" thick steel in a two hour fire burning at 2,000 degrees). Once two floors collapsed then the domino effect of the excessive load imposed on the floor below from the weight of the rubble and the fact that the exterior columns lost the interior floors that were bracing them in their weak axis which cause them to buckle resulted in the total collapse of the building.

I composed this on my own without reading any media or copy and paste because I'm a forensic expert in structural engineering.

OK. So if two towers collapse so perfectly, i.e. in their own footprint, why do we still need experts in controlled demolition?

But, ignoring that, how does your expertise explain the mysterious, and equally perfect, collapse of building #7?

[ShamsWoof10]

Originally Posted by pavyracer

When you are travelling with your car and a tiny pebble weighing 5 grams hits your windshield and shatters it does it mean that the 5 gram pebble is stronger than 1 inch thick laminated glass of your windshield?

Think before you make outrageous questions. You expose your ignorance.

Your responses are just terrible... You have answered NONE of my questions IN ANY WAY... All you have done is give everyday information about steel building structures and what "YOU" would expect when a fire occurs even though your only example is 9-11... You also feel the need to keep stroking yourself and continue to mention your SO CALLED qualifications which not only do I doubt right now but can seriously care less...

Then to add to your outright stupidity you give a comparison with a "ROCK" and "GLASS".... That would be like saying the plane was made out of steel and the building was made out of aluminum... How about a crunched up piece of paper hitting your wind shield... would that break it..? EVEN GOING ON YOUR IDIOTIC EXAMPLE .. THE ROCK STILLLLL DOES NOT GO THROUGH THE GLASS AS THE PLANE WENT THROUGH THE BUILDING... Why does it bounce off.? It's CALLED ACTION/REACTION Mr. structural engineer for 15 years...

Originally Posted by pavyracer

Forensic degree in structural engineering and 15 years of experience does not qualify me to explain what happened.

Either you are the stupidiest forensics expert on the planet or you are bullsh*tting....

THIS IS WHAT YOUR RESPONSE SHOULD BE!!!!

Originally Posted by pavyracer

I can not answer the questions concerning your questions about the plane because I honestly don't know.

IT KILLS YOU TO JUST SAY YOU DON'T KNOW DOESN'T IT..???

[ShamsWoof10]

Originally Posted by Dark Horse

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By the way I'm not sure why you edited but I had a chance to completely look over your posts and as you may expect I agree with your material... I do however think the "JEWISH" lobby in this country AND ISREAL are "ZIONIST" (which I believe you agree) and IMO a "ZIONIST" is a "Satanist" wearing "JEWISH" clothing to get the population to follow suite and do as they are told... I believe the true "JEWS" have no idea what's happening to them and are also a target of manipulation...

[pavyracer]

The rock does not go through the windshield because this is how laminated glass is designed to prevent shattering and injuries to vehicle's occupants. Welcome to the 21st century. We have invented laminated glass. Quit living in medieval times.

[ShamsWoof10]

Originally Posted by pavyracer

Forensic degree in structural engineering and 15 years of experience.

CONSPIRACY THEORY!!!

[moneyline]

America was involved. Our buildings were destroyed and our people were killed ... didn't you notice?

[pavyracer]

Originally Posted by Dark Horse

OK. So if two towers collapse so perfectly, i.e. in their own footprint, why do we still need experts in controlled demolition?

There are more structural engineers involved in the controlled demolition of a building than actual explosives experts. Who do you think tells the explosive guy where to put the explosives? God?

But, ignoring that, how does your expertise explain the mysterious, and equally perfect, collapse of building #7?

Here is your answer. Read the following article:

http://www.structuremag.org/Archives...sanz-Nov07.pdf

[Dark Horse]

So it's perfectly normal that three highrisers collapsed on their own footprint, -the only ones in history to do so without controlled demolition-, with the first two attributed to planes (although jet fuel doesn't burn at high enough temperatures to melt steel, and molten steel was definitely found), and the third building, by necessity, to laws of physics that were by this time so bend out of shape that one wonders why a single Manhattan building was even last standing?

And how did, presumably, the same terrorist organization have access to American anthrax? Not only would this require security clearance at laboratories, but it begs the more important questions: who has the anthrax, and how much more do they have?

[pavyracer]

I give up. If the country's best scientists, professors and engineers do not convince you then nothing will. I apologize.

Our government went on 9/10 and placed thousands of tons of explosives undetected at strategic locations throughout the twin towers knowing the planes will hit the towers on 9/11 in the morning and with the whole world watching live and people jumping off the 100th floors of the buildings, fires ragining decided to detonate the explosives at approximately 2 hours after they were hit by the planes. It also thought that blowing the tower that got hit second first and 20 minutes after the tower that got hit first was to the best interest of the country.

[Dark Horse]

Originally Posted by pavyracer

I give up. If the country's best scientists, professors and engineers do not convince you then nothing will.

Don't give up. Ask the hard questions. There are plenty of scientists, professors, and engineers who don't agree with the official story.

Originally Posted by pavyracer

Our government went on 9/10 and placed thousands of tons of explosives undetected at strategic locations throughout the twin towers knowing the planes will hit the towers on 9/11 in the morning ....

Not necessarily our government, and certainly not starting on 9/10. The question is: could anyone have had not just the motive, but also the technological expertise to pull this off, and make it look like somebody else was behind it? Don't assume it's impossible just because it sounds incredible.

There's a psychological hurdle here. People assume it is impossible because nobody could be that evil and calculating, and anybody willing to consider that possibility must therefore be a conspiracy theorist. If you want to take that position, fine. No problem at all.

But what if you are wrong? In that case the enemy would be far more dangerous, and hidden, than you would have previously considered. Don't forget the anthrax. If somebody had the capacity to pull of 9/11, and make it look like somebody else did it, are you willing to assume that they don't have the willingness to wage a biological war - against us?

If you are satisfied with the 9/11 investigation by our government, fine. Just realize that such an investigation automatically presumes the absolute innocence of that government.

[ShamsWoof10]

Originally Posted by pavyracer

I give up. If the country's best scientists, professors and engineers do not convince you then nothing will. I apologize.

Our government went on 9/10 and placed thousands of tons of explosives undetected at strategic locations throughout the twin towers knowing the planes will hit the towers on 9/11 in the morning and with the whole world watching live and people jumping off the 100th floors of the buildings, fires ragining decided to detonate the explosives at approximately 2 hours after they were hit by the planes. It also thought that blowing the tower that got hit second first and 20 minutes after the tower that got hit first was to the best interest of the country.

It's obvious the offical 9-11 story is only for brain dead people to believe but what I want to dispute is this joker saying he is some engineer...

Yeah f*ckin' right... I have discussed this with REAL engineers and they don't give the cut and paste answers to the degree that Pavy does... You can tell when someone knows what they are talking about and when they are bullsh*tting and this pathetic f*ck is so full of sh*t...

If I had to answer a question about an NFL helmet or the technique to kicking footballs I would not answer in the same bullsh*t fashion this joker does because I KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT... If I didn't I would have to google and even use the same descriptions I find....

[pavyracer]

Originally Posted by ShamsWoof10

It's obvious the offical 9-11 story is only for brain dead people to believe but what I want to dispute is this joker saying he is some engineer...

Yeah f*ckin' right... I have discussed this with REAL engineers and they don't give the cut and paste answers to the degree that Pavy does... You can tell when someone knows what they are talking about and when they are bullsh*tting and this pathetic f*ck is so full of sh*t...

If I had to answer a question about an NFL helmet or the technique to kicking footballs I would not answer in the same bullsh*t fashion this joker does because I KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT... If I didn't I would have to google and even use the same descriptions I find....

I think the real joker is you that has no simple knowledge of math or physics. And shut the **** up and quit saying shit about me. You know nothing but crap.

[ShamsWoof10]

Originally Posted by pavyracer

I think the real joker is you that has no simple knowledge of math or physics. And shut the **** up and quit saying shit about me. You know nothing but crap.

I do know how to answer a question.... That is something you do not know how to do and you claim you are an expert in answering these types of questions no less... WHAT A CROCK OF SH*T...

Who should shut the f*ck up is you about your "SO CALLED" experience in... OF ALL THINGS... forensics... You are no engineer and you certainly are not a forensic expert...

My cousin gave me even a stupider answer last night... He said the ENTIRE plane went through the gaps of the steel colums... As stupid as that answer was it at least tried to address the question... that is light years ahead of you...

[pavyracer]

Originally Posted by ShamsWoof10

I do know how to answer a question.... That is something you do not know how to do and you claim you are an expert in answering these types of questions no less... WHAT A CROCK OF SH*T...

Who should shut the f*ck up is you about your "SO CALLED" experience in... OF ALL THINGS... forensics... You are no engineer and you certainly are not a forensic expert...

My cousin gave me even a stupider answer last night... He said the ENTIRE plane went through the gaps of the steel colums... As stupid as that answer was it at least tried to address the question... that is light years ahead of you...

I bet you $10,000 that I'm a licensed engineer. Send your check to Willie Bee and I can send him the verifying documents of my credentials.

[louisvillekid]

i see this thread is still going.

i watched that clip on youtube about how the plane is supposedly slicing through the building. i can't make heads from tails of that video, i don't know what i'm looking at, i can't make out what side its hitting, it looks like some kind of computer generated thing, or camera trickery or what not. i do see the nose burst into flames at the 6 sec. mark, but i still can't make out what i'm looking at.

all the video i remember seeing that was shot by local new yorkers, i seen the plane burst into flames.

i don't know how the plane could possibly slice through the building and not have damage, it seems impossible. i do know liquid is a mass so i can give a possible scenario. say the wings are fully loaded with fuel and the plane is traveling at whatever speed, hell 200 mph could be enough, i don't know, anyway the mass of the fuel wrapped in the wings is like a solid, so maybe with the design of the building it could absorb a crash/force of that nature and when one part of the structure fails other parts were designed to offset the loss.
when i'm talking about a liquid as a mass, say you have a gallon of liquid and you suspend it up high in a container with a trip lever to open the bottom and let all the liquid out at once, now when you do that, yes 1 full gallon will come down, but the damage it could do is minimal compared to if you took a 1 gallon jug of the same liquid and dropped it, being the liquid is encased in a closure making the mass of it greater. i don't know if i'm explaining this good, i'm not a engineer.

some people have asked about other steel building burning the same way. i don't know for sure but i think the twin towers or even the whole WTC area were a 1 off design, meaning i haven't ever seen any buildings that look like it.
so to compare a fire in a building or other skyscraper to the WTC seems asinine.

oh and back to the part about if you lose a corner of a building wouldn't the whole building tumble. i don't know, but i have played the game Jenga, or whatever it is called with the blocks, and i know you can take out whole sides and still keep the tower of blocks from tumbling. so maybe when architects design buildings they plan for scenarios that a bomb or plane crash or mother nature could cause a side of a building to fail but the load of the weight can shift to other support columns to keep that from happening.

thats just some of my thoughts.

[ShamsWoof10]

Originally Posted by louisvillekid

i see this thread is still going.

i watched that clip on youtube about how the plane is supposedly slicing through the building. i can't make heads from tails of that video, i don't know what i'm looking at, i can't make out what side its hitting, it looks like some kind of computer generated thing, or camera trickery or what not. i do see the nose burst into flames at the 6 sec. mark, but i still can't make out what i'm looking at.

all the video i remember seeing that was shot by local new yorkers, i seen the plane burst into flames.

i don't know how the plane could possibly slice through the building and not have damage, it seems impossible. i do know liquid is a mass so i can give a possible scenario. say the wings are fully loaded with fuel and the plane is traveling at whatever speed, hell 200 mph could be enough, i don't know, anyway the mass of the fuel wrapped in the wings is like a solid, so maybe with the design of the building it could absorb a crash/force of that nature and when one part of the structure fails other parts were designed to offset the loss.
when i'm talking about a liquid as a mass, say you have a gallon of liquid and you suspend it up high in a container with a trip lever to open the bottom and let all the liquid out at once, now when you do that, yes 1 full gallon will come down, but the damage it could do is minimal compared to if you took a 1 gallon jug of the same liquid and dropped it, being the liquid is encased in a closure making the mass of it greater. i don't know if i'm explaining this good, i'm not a engineer.

some people have asked about other steel building burning the same way. i don't know for sure but i think the twin towers or even the whole WTC area were a 1 off design, meaning i haven't ever seen any buildings that look like it.
so to compare a fire in a building or other skyscraper to the WTC seems asinine.

oh and back to the part about if you lose a corner of a building wouldn't the whole building tumble. i don't know, but i have played the game Jenga, or whatever it is called with the blocks, and i know you can take out whole sides and still keep the tower of blocks from tumbling. so maybe when architects design buildings they plan for scenarios that a bomb or plane crash or mother nature could cause a side of a building to fail but the load of the weight can shift to other support columns to keep that from happening.

thats just some of my thoughts.

Well LouyK. you did a 100K better then Mr. "SO CALLED" forensics because you actually addressed the question... I am not saying I agree with your example or your answer for the most part but good for you for at least trying to answer the question presented...

I was searching for a high res. of THAT SAME SHOT and found this... This guy happens to agree with me and does a great job eplaining a few things... By the way there is some cool music in this...

I AM DOWN WITH THIS LIMP BISCUTT song in there and around the 4 min. mark of this 7 min. clip is a high res. shot that I was looking for but it was JUST that shot I was looking for.. Don't know where this came from but I am glad I found it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azGxJ...eature=related

[ktorp18]

these are 3 of my favorite videos on the topic:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Zy4EyBstOsA&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jK1WfJn_AHI
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7nD7dbkkBIA&feature=related