[garlic pie]

http://www.seattlepi.com/national/11...departure.html

President Barack Obama is getting used to leaving events before they end - even when he doesn't have to.

Obama on Monday mistakenly left a White House ceremony honoring two activists' work in Zimbabwe. After finishing his remarks in the East Room, he walked with first lady Michelle Obama into the grand hallway across the main floor of the Executive Mansion.


He returned a moment later, a bit sheepishly.


He said with a laugh, "I'm allowed to stay." Then he added, "I never know what I'm allowed to do."


Obama left when he had finished presenting the Robert F. Kennedy Human Rights Award. His war council met a short time later to discuss options for Afghanistan and Pakistan.gl

[Indecent]

He's the biggest dumbass ever because he forgot his schedule? Regardless of whether you like the man or not, that's has to be a hectic lifestyle. It must be difficult to remember all your appointments and scheduling issues...

Better question: Will garlic pie ever come back to any thread and back up his drivel?

[DwightShrute]

[andywend]

Its certainly no secret that Michelle Obama DESPISES white people which is why she is so close to the Reverend Jeremiah Wright.

She believes in what he says so strongly that she exposed her 2 little girls to the weekly dose of "white hatred" spewed by Jeremiah Wright at church every Sunday.

Google Michelle Obama - Princeton thesis and you'll see she's hated white people her entire life.

Dwight, that picture really says it all.

[PAPSMEAR]

i'd say that the award for biggest dumbass presidents (or for the larger human species for that matter) would be George W. Just check out you tube. If nothing else he was a good laugh. I can't believe the voting public in the US voted him in not once, but twice. He made you guys the laughing stock of the World.

[DwightShrute]

i'd say that the award for biggest dumbass presidents (or for the larger human species for that matter) would be George W. Just check out you tube. If nothing else he was a good laugh. I can't believe the voting public in the US voted him in not once, but twice. He made you guys the laughing stock of the World.

For every youtube video that you refer to, I can show one of Obama. What what will that prove?

Some will always hate the USA and can always attempt to justify it.

Clinton: "depends on what the definition of "IS" is?
The whole Blow job stupidity and Starr's $50 Million investigation.

You say "laughing stock of the World" which is your right to say and the far left media has instilled this mentality with their coverage including guys like Bill Mahr, John Stewart and even THE VIEW. Fact: Most uneducated Americans get their news from shows like that and CNN and MSNBC.

The other side (fair minded folks, open minded, able to think for themselves) understand that the United States will never get a fair shake in world wide opinion. They will likely get too much blame when things go wrong and not enough credit when thing go right. A no-win situation.

Fact: the world needs a strong United States and doesn't need to apologize to these pinheads who will always criticize the USA.

Who is the first to come to the aid of another country that needs help? We all know the answer.

Bush was a good man who did what he believed to be the right thing. History will prove him right.
Congress supported him to go into Iraq and the last 2 years of his presidency the Democrats controlled the House and Senate making him virtually powerless. Lets hope the Republicans do the same in 2010 so that Obama will be useless in his pursuit to weaken and destroy the greatest country ever to exist.

Fact: Common sense people don't give a shit if "the rest of the world hates us". First of all, that is inaccurate. Is there a world wide poll? Negative outlook or news always get headlines.

I hated my old man at times when I was growing up also. Setting ridiculous curfews for me. Who cares that it was a school night? Ya, he was right and I am man enough to admit it. Some of you guys will admit that also but some will never.

Laughing stock? Carter was and Obama is the biggest one in US History.

[Cappy]

Dwight, you're reaching a little bit there.

"Bush was a good man who did what he believed in"

That's ridiculous, he didn't go to Iraq for some benevolent idealistic democracy reason. I mean the guy tried to turn america into a dictatorship, can you really give him any credit for being even a little bit pro-democracy?

Also, why did you bring up clinton, that whole blowjob thing was ridiculous and just shows how sensationalized american fervor can be. The man was caught with his pants down (while doing a decent job as president), and that doesn't mean much to me.

[DwightShrute]

Cappy,

I agree totally about the Clinton fiasco.


The rest, we agree to disagree

[El Sol]

this is stupid. You are obviously a far right Rush Limbaugh listening conservative. Your mind is already set, there is no changing it. The ying to to the far lefts yang. The far right and the far left are both the idiots, the scum, the plague of the politcal system. They are so locked into an ideological dik measuring battle that there is no compromise and nothing gets done. Screw them all

[andywend]

Papsmear, nobody in the U.S. cares what you think and the last thing I want my president to do is to try and get the approval of foreigners. Why don't you concentrate on your own country's problems?

That's ridiculous, he didn't go to Iraq for some benevolent idealistic democracy reason. I mean the guy tried to turn america into a dictatorship, can you really give him any credit for being even a little bit pro-democracy?

He went into Iraq and removed Saddam from power becase Saddam violated the conditions of surrender from Desert Storm.

He could have taken the "dictator" route and went to war with Iraq on his own. Instead, he showed his "pro-democracy" ways and let the full senate make the decision with both republicans and democrats voting in a majority approving the war.

Cappy, you asked for an example of Bush being pro-democracy and his handling of the decision to invade Iraq is a fine example of that.

Also, why did you bring up clinton, that whole blowjob thing was ridiculous and just shows how sensationalized american fervor can be. The man was caught with his pants down (while doing a decent job as president), and that doesn't mean much to me.

What Clinton did doesn't mean much to you for one simple reason and that is because he has a (D) after his name. If President Bush got caught getting a blowjob from an intern young enough to be his daughter, you would have an entirely different reaction.

You are a liberal hack who is so blinded by your party that you don't possess the ability to think rationally when it comes to politics and therefore nothing you say has any credibility whatsoever.

El Sol, screw you as well.

[El Sol]

Wow andywend you are naive. Think for yourself, you have been brainwashed by somebody somewhere. Who knows the source.

The part that we invaded Iraq because of Desert Storm violations!? Um sorry, you are wrong. I wont bother explaining because as i said, your (or people like you) mind is already set and will refuse to listen to any evidence to the contrary

You have proved my point well, so I thank you for that

[andywend]

I do think for myself unlike yourself who only knows how to follow the left-wing liberal whacko crowd.

I am no fan of the republican party in its current form but the democrats are getting worse and worse.

I will always back the party who believes more in "personal responsibility" and the democrats obviously have no idea what that term means.

Its certainly fair to assume you don't understand the meaning of the term either.

[El Sol]

When did I ever say I was liberal or give a liberal point of view? Your response clearly lets everyone know where you stand politically by the way.\ so enough with the "I dont like ...." speech

[El Sol]

[jon101]

I won't defend Bush, but that shouldn't be the marching cry of Obama supporters either. Either the guy is competent to do the job and not screw America, or he isn't. And lets look at what hes done:

A) Stimulus Bill 787 Billion Dollars wasted, very few jobs created
B) Raised taxes on his first week in office with SCHIP
C) Supported the no banker or bonus to big to be left behind. Wheres the money for main st?
D) Sending more troops to Afghanistan soon, wrong move, no more Al-Quaida there.
E) Corporate Bailouts of the Automakers

Thats just the major stuff, what about the racism of Jerimiah Wright and all that, who knows.

[andywend]

When did I ever say I was liberal or give a liberal point of view?

You are obviously a far right Rush Limbaugh listening conservative.

I certainly wouldn't call the above statement a conservative point of view.

El Sol, you have made it crystal clear you're a left-wing whacko so enough with the "when did I ever say I was liberal" speech.

[El Sol]

Yea I dislike the far right and far left. I thought I was pretty clear. anyway,shut up andy, you are now getting stupid and annoying. I am done with you

[andywend]

El Sol, I am glad I irritated you and I'll keep posting whenever I feel like it.

If it bothers you, then its just too damn bad.

[DwightShrute]

Wow andywend you are naive. Think for yourself, you have been brainwashed by somebody somewhere. Who knows the source.

The part that we invaded Iraq because of Desert Storm violations!? Um sorry, you are wrong. I wont bother explaining because as i said, your (or people like you) mind is already set and will refuse to listen to any evidence to the contrary

You have proved my point well, so I thank you for that

Andy is right *please educate yourself and read the following. You won't see that on Msnbc, CNN, John Stewart or Bill Mahr sorry to say.

COMMENTARY: In the coming months, years and decades, history will be the judge of what kind of leader former President Bush was, but those Americans interested in preserving his legacy must take an aggressive approach to dispel the many myths and lies that already exist.
Clearly, the most contested area of Mr. Bush's presidency will be his foreign policy, namely his decision to send troops to Iraq. For several years, numerous myths have existed about the war, and it is imperative that we correct any falsehoods for the historical record.
These myths have falsely portrayed Mr. Bush as an imperialist president who illegally invaded a foreign country to seize its oil and dominate its people. The truth however, is that Mr. Bush liberated a country from the cruelty and oppression of a sadistic dictator, returned the oil to the Iraqi people and acted in full compliance with both domestic and international law. In fact, Mr. Bush's decision to send troops back to Iraq not only complied with international law but fulfilled obligations set by the United Nations.
In October 2002, Congress authorized the president to use whatever military force was necessary to fulfill U.N. resolutions pertaining to Iraq and the Gulf war. This was because after the U.N. authorized a coalition of the willing to use military force against Iraq for its illegal invasion of Kuwait in 1990, the U.N. temporarily suspended the Gulf war in 1991 with a cease-fire agreement that imposed stipulations upon Saddam Hussein.
Saddam violated those cease-fire conditions by failing to give U.N. weapon inspectors unfettered access, which actually prompted military action from President Clinton in 1998 when he launched a massive bombing campaign against Iraq during Operation Desert Fox.
In 2002, the United Nations resolved that Saddam was in "material breach" of the cease-fire agreement and that Iraq faced "serious consequences." Because the cease-fire did not end but merely suspended the Gulf war, Saddam Hussein's continued violations of the agreement reactivated the war.
President Bush did not start a new war in 2003 that violated domestic or international law. He merely complied with Congress' 2002 vote by honoring resolutions passed by the United Nations that reactivated the original Gulf war.
The president's critics accuse his administration of falsifying intelligence about Saddam Hussein having the capability of building weapons of mass destruction. This stems from the claim that the president solely relied on intelligence that Saddam was trying to purchase yellowcake uranium from Niger to build a nuclear weapons program. These reports later proved to be inaccurate.
The media failed to emphasize, however, that Saddam was already in possession of 550 tons of yellowcake uranium, which he was storing at the Tuwaitha nuclear complex south of Baghdad. That uranium was found and secured by coalition troops in 2003 after they liberated Iraq and was finally transported to Canada in July 2008.
The president's critics also blast him for allegedly implementing a new policy of Iraqi regime change when in fact that policy was established in the Iraq Liberation Act, signed by President Clinton in 1998. The Act made it the official policy of the United States to support the removal of Saddam Hussein from power. President Bush did not implement a new policy of regime change in Iraq. He was acting in the spirit of the policy already established by President Clinton.
The decision to send troops back to Iraq in 2003 was indeed liberation and not an invasion. Investigations by Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, the U.S. Department of State and the British government have all found evidence that the Iraqi people lived under a regime that systematically employed methods of torture and fear. Dissidents suffered from bizarre, cruel methods of torture including dismemberment, piercing, bone-crushing, cutting, acid baths and imprisonment inside coffin-size cells.
Women accused of prostitution were publicly beheaded without a trial and male soldiers were authorized to rape women to punish their family members for political resistance. Men were often forced to watch soldiers rape their wives, sisters and daughters as a method of punishment when the female victim was innocent.
The removal of Saddam Hussein from power was not an invasion, it was liberation.
One of the most widely spread conspiracy theories about President Bush and the war is the false allegation that he sent troops to Iraq to illegally steal its oil. There is no truth to this allegation. In fact, the new Oil Draft Law under consideration by the Iraqi government proposes using "production-sharing agreements," which is the same type of oil distribution system used in Iraq for decades.
Production-sharing agreements allow foreign governments or private corporations to drill for oil and keep a small percentage of profits for their work while giving the majority of profits earned to the host country. The new Oil Draft Law will continue to implement production-sharing agreements, but the Iraqi profits will now go to the new democratic government instead of Saddam. The United States is not stealing any oil from Iraq.
There are many more myths and lies the far left has successfully perpetuated about Mr. Bush and the liberation of Iraq, but this column is not the appropriate forum to dispel them. Because these lies have been so deeply ingrained in the consciousness of the American public, those wishing to restore the president's reputation must take a pro-active, aggressive approach that exports knowledge to the people.
Merely relying on a passive institute such as a presidential library and waiting for people to learn the truth on their own will not be sufficient in this unique case. Most people who visit the new George W. Bush presidential library will most likely already be sympathetic to him and there must be a more aggressive approach used to inform all Americans.
It is perhaps one of the greatest historical ironies and tragedies that a leader who cares so deeply about human rights and the freedom of oppressed people has been falsely portrayed as an imperialist invader. It is time for those working on the former president's legacy to adequately communicate his vision of worldwide liberation to the American people. The historical record must be corrected to accurately reflect President Bush's legacy and for the honor of our country.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...l-bush-clouds/

[El Sol]

The Washington times is a Conservative news source and the article is a commentary. I read it, looked at the source and background of the writer and gave it a fair shake. There are facts in there no doubt but its still opinion. It seems the goal of the writer was more to bolster GWs image than to bolster support for IRAQ which is something I applaud. George Bush is not a vile man and he did what he thought was best for the country. All of our presidents should be supported.

But sorry, as into why we went into IRAQ, it certainly didn't convince me. The article is slanted to entertain the readers. Exactly what the fat asses Limbaugh or Mickey Moore does, gives exactly what like minded people want to hear. I can post an opposite viewpoint that is just as convincing to the reader of a liberal mind and they will eat it up. Just like you ate this one up. No difference.

As to the reason we went to IRAQ? Lets wait until the inquiry is completed in England and see what comes out of that. All the facts are not out and anything that Washington releases is a cover story until then.

What do I believe? I wont say, because its point less. But i do believe that we needed to go there but not for the reasons they said. The official reasons were to search for wmd's / treaty violations and even to help the IRAQI people. These are reasons, i cant argue, but not thee reason. That is were my anger lies

[El Sol]

Dwight, Andy...you guys are spot on. The bottom line to any arrogant far left liberal (which is clearly the mold of Nobama) is that they all want to take from the rich and give it to the poor...that, in itself, is the same class warfare they say they seek to combat. They'll tell you, "the rich get richer, while the poor starve"...well, arrogance is aplenty here fellas...
1) No one should have the right to take money from people who have earned it (any LEGAL means of acquiring money means you EARNED it) and give it to anyone else outside of a standard % of taxes that all citizens should pay equally...if you make $10,000 a year, you should be $1,000...and if you make $100,000 a year, you should pay $10,000...or whatever % you wish...what the left seeks to do, is no question class warfare...and it's the same class warfare they say they seek to combat.
2) America and freedom means you have the CHANCE, the OPPORTUNITY to make money and be successful, it's not a guarantee, and no one is entitled to sh*t...if you want money, go make it like most everyone else with money.

They are basic, general principles, that just blow my mind how some people feel themselves and others are entitled to ANYTHING other than your basic human rights provided within the Constitution.

HELL YEA! Lets put a bullet to the head of all the disabled and Retards! They don't contribute! Lets burn them! LOng live Auschwitz! Kill them all! HELL YEA!

[Indecent]

what the left seeks to do, is no question class warfare...and it's the same class warfare they say they seek to combat.

Can you be more specific on what you mean by class warfare? Are you talking about the tension between different groups or the uneven distribution of wealth?

[andywend]

Infamousbacardi, great post and welcome to the discussion.

HELL YEA! Lets put a bullet to the head of all the disabled and Retards! They don't contribute! Lets burn them! LOng live Auschwitz! Kill them all! HELL YEA!

The "disabled and the retards" are NOT entitled to the wealth earned by others.

I always get a good laugh when some blowhard liberal democrat talks about how compassionate they are when they support transferring wealth from the rich to the less fortunate.

If I say Bill Gates should be forced to spend $20 BILLION to feed the homeless, that doesn't make me compassionate. It only means I have no problem spending OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY.

El Sol, only a real moron would link bacardi's post to the Holocaust.

[DwightShrute]

[jon101]

On a lighter note disabled and retarded people are more worthwhile because they stimulate the economy by spending everything on doctors, teachers, and food, and more, maybe you guys think the disabled ought to be shot but unlike the jews they don't hoard their money, and they don't start wars they aren't willing to fight themself. I don't personally want to hurt anyone, but if someone else does the deed hey more power to them.The jews have corrupted our banking and corporate structures, created choas in the UN, and moreover they just don't seem to want to be a part of America, rather they want America to be a part of Israel which is wrong. We have always welcomed immigrants who work hard, pay their taxes, and vote, and there is no reason they need to be better than the average citizen. The disabled atleast contribute more to America in the realm of culture than the Jews. I would let a guy in a wheelchair live anyday, if given the option, versus a Jewish person that hoards money, only shops within his community, doesn't help by avoiding taxes, and sympathizes with Israel.

[El Sol]

"...great post and welcome to the discussion"!!?? Ah that would be a no.

A discussion is civilized with an exchange in ideas. This is not a discussion its an argument. Stubborn stances without even the slightest attempt to see the other side or the big picture.

I don't have a problem with conservatives. I have a problem with narrow mindedness. which is what anyone on the far right and far left have. And it is being demonstrated here. You will see me attacking Liberals with the same fortitude if they are unwilling to except some of the strengths the Republican party brings to the table.

Just take a simple jaunt through American history. Liberal and Conservatives (under different party names of coarse) have been battling back and forth since the founding of our nation. Well, not only have we survived for 230 years, this country has prospered. We didn't prosper because of one side or the other. We prospered because this country has been able to take the best out of each side and make it work.

If the far left had there way, we would be communist. Communism works but society doesnt prosper. If the Far right had there way we would be a Feudalistic or Aristocratic society. It worked, but again society didn't prosper. Its the merging of the two is what this country is and has always been and is why we are as prosperous as we are.

[andywend]

The democrats of yesteryear were more conservative than the republicans are today.

El Sol, what part about TODAYS democratic party can possibly make our country prosper?

They are wrong about everything with their stance on online gambling being the one exception.

The republicans of today really aren't much better and they should be more ashamed of themselves than the democrats.

Our country is BLEEDING red ink from all sides (admittedly Bush and the republicans were AWFUL in this regard) and the only thing Obama and the democrats do is spend TRILLIONS. Whether its Obama's new troop deployment to Afghanistan or his TRILLION dollar government takeover of our medical care system, Obama has spent each and every day figuring out new and creative ways to plunge our country deeper and deeper into debt.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2187rank.html

Click on the above link and take a good long look at this list. I assume Barack Obama and the democrats are aware of it. How can they continue to burn through TRILLIONS knowing where we stand in the world financially?

I am trying to keep an open mind and perhaps I am missing something.

What about the democratic party of today is good for the country and will make us prosper going forward?

This post contains no insults and no personal attacks so please respond back with a serious reply.
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Jon101, you've got serious issues you need to deal with. Get some psychiatric help there, buddy.

[jon101]

I don't think I have any issues I just have opinions, and that makes me dangerous to the way you think.
You sound like an Israeli sympathizer and that sucks. I don't like how you think the right wing is ok, and I have issues. I would say you have issues with Obama so place them properly and point out why he is screwing us, instead of laying me out. Liberals suck, Obama sucks, and people that sympathize with the decendants of Christs killer suck.

[BigdaddyQH]

Again, Obama supporrters keep trying to tell us how bad GWB was. Unfortunately the election is over and that is now for historians to decide. What does matter is what is happening today, and NO ONE can say that Obama has done a good job. The Bailout was a major failure. It was suppose to create jobs. It did not. Instead, we have double diget unemployment that will get worse, one the holiday season is over and the temp jobs are gone. He was suppose tosave the auto industry. He did not. GM went under, and Chrysler is soon to follow.

He tried to split the difference in sending more topps to Afghanistan. His generals wanted 40,000. The Liberal Left wanted none. Biden wanted to withdraw. So he sends in 30,000, and then very stupidly comes up with some timeline for a withdrawl. So now, the Taliban just wait him out.

His wife is probably a racist. There is not enough evidence to convict, but there certainly is enough evidence to prosecute. Her racist statements are well known. So are her drinking habits.

So if anyone out ther is an Obama backer, please tell me what he has done right? I did not vote for him, nor did I vote for McCain, so I can honestly say that I am an Independent. I will also honestly say that I am a fiscal conservative. Show me what Obama has done for me.

[DwightShrute]

Again, Obama supporrters keep trying to tell us how bad GWB was. Unfortunately the election is over and that is now for historians to decide. What does matter is what is happening today, and NO ONE can say that Obama has done a good job. The Bailout was a major failure. It was suppose to create jobs. It did not. Instead, we have double diget unemployment that will get worse, one the holiday season is over and the temp jobs are gone. He was suppose tosave the auto industry. He did not. GM went under, and Chrysler is soon to follow.

He tried to split the difference in sending more topps to Afghanistan. His generals wanted 40,000. The Liberal Left wanted none. Biden wanted to withdraw. So he sends in 30,000, and then very stupidly comes up with some timeline for a withdrawl. So now, the Taliban just wait him out.

His wife is probably a racist. There is not enough evidence to convict, but there certainly is enough evidence to prosecute. Her racist statements are well known. So are her drinking habits.

So if anyone out ther is an Obama backer, please tell me what he has done right? I did not vote for him, nor did I vote for McCain, so I can honestly say that I am an Independent. I will also honestly say that I am a fiscal conservative. Show me what Obama has done for me.

good post

but GM didn't go under

[Indecent]

I don't think I have any issues I just have opinions, and that makes me dangerous to the way you think.
You sound like an Israeli sympathizer and that sucks. I don't like how you think the right wing is ok, and I have issues. I would say you have issues with Obama so place them properly and point out why he is screwing us, instead of laying me out. Liberals suck, Obama sucks, and people that sympathize with the decendants of Christs killer suck.

No, your opinions are dangerous because it feels like you are reading passages from Mein Kampf.

[El Sol]

A much better response andy. Hostility and anger does not help ones viewpoint. If anything it weakens it and you'll lose credibility on top of that.

Well, there you have it. We have some agreement:

"...Our country is BLEEDING red ink from all sides"

and

"...The republicans of today really aren't much better and they should be more ashamed of themselves than the democrats."

I wouldnt say worse than, but equally at fault. The idea that Republicans will reduce or prevent government spending is completely false. They'll happily spend it just the same. Just in different ways.

Well I looked at the CIA list and I'm well aware of it. This is a critical issue, I agree and could very well be our undoing. Here's something to consider:

Deficit spending, our debt and the fiscal policies of The United States switching from a creditor nation to a debtor nation began in the 80's and was instigated by the great conservative himself Ronald Reagan. Remember Reaganomics? I do I'm in my forties. His policies spurred massive economic growth and greatly improved my family's life. We loved him, but it came at a cost. Within his two terms our debt went from $500 billion to 3 trillion. And we have never looked back. This led to the savings and loan crisis(1990 or so), a sudden recession and the era of massive bailouts the world had never seen before. They said these bailouts would take 20 years or more to absorb. Sound familiar?

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As far as what Liberals have gotten right to help our nation prosper?

Well, its certainly not their monetary economic policies that is for sure. Supporting workers unions is bad, higher taxes is obvious and many of the regulations stifling free enterprise is outright wrong. But that isn't all there is to an economy. Here are some of the pillars of a Liberal point of view and that they have gotten right (well at least in my point of view).

1. public education. The crowning achievement. The benefit to the economy and society is immeasurable.

2. Emergency services. Police and the fire department are highly socialized institutions. (they weren't always) Paid by all, but only helps the few. In my forty plus years, I have never had the need to call either one of them. Yet I pay for these services I really don't need. I can take care of myself.

3. Public road system. I am paying for the maintenance, landscaping and trash pickup for roads all over my state that I will never use. A well maintained road system is vital to our economy. Imagine this left in the hands of private ownership. Just go south of the border and see how well the private sector is at picking up the trash and repairing roads where public services don't exist.

4.Parks and recreation. Ever use a public park? Did you have to pay to use it? Would you want to pay? Is it vital to our economy? Maybe not. But Its important to society.

I can go on but its really pointless.

All I am trying to say is that Our country is failing because political infighting by entrenched , extremest white hair's on both sides. Unwilling to work together because of ideological battles, unwilling to compromise and find the best solution. Thats why I call them the plague of political world. Both parties are broken a need to removed.