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  1. #36

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    The idea that Republicans will reduce or prevent government spending is completely false. They'll happily spend it just the same. Just in different ways.
    This is why I say I'm ashamed of the republican party of today. The GOP of old really believed in lower government spending. The only remaining true conservative in congress is Ron Paul.
    Deficit spending, our debt and the fiscal policies of The United States switching from a creditor nation to a debtor nation began in the 80's and was instigated by the great conservative himself Ronald Reagan. Remember Reaganomics?
    Since the democrats controlled both houses of congress during Reagan's entire 8 year run and therefore controlled our country's purse strings, I'm not sure why people call it Reaganomics? The only thing that proves is the democrats long track record of spending more money than our country can afford.

    While those on the left give Clinton all the credit for the surpluses during his administration, the truth is he was handcuffed by a republican controlled congress that refused to allow him to overspend. To be fair, the republicans knew that Clinton wouldn't allow them to spend money on what they wanted either so he deserves some (but certainly not all) of the credit.

    As far as public education, I certainly wouldn't call that our country's crowning achievement. Private schools spend about half as much as public schools per student and deliver a much better product. Without question, our educational system would be far more productive if it was run privately rather than publicly.

    As far as police, firemen, etc, I wouldn't call them highly socialized institutions. Everyone benefits from their presence and the costs are shared by all. If only the poor had access to these emergency services, then I would agree in calling them highly socialized institutions. I don't believe the republican party has ever come out and said these services should be eliminated.

    Public Road system - Once again this is something that is paid for by everyone but everyone uses it. I bet the democrats would be strongly opposed to more "toll roads" but they would lessen traffic across the country. Charging motorists a toll would also cut down on joy riding, decrease fuel consumption and help the environment. However, the democrats would most certainly call this "an attack on the poor".

    I would most certainly prefer to pay a nominal fee when using public parks as the upkeep would be better and people would have more respect when visiting them. I believe this would lead to a much safer setting for my children.

    What it all boils down to is I am a big believer in "personal responsibility". I strongly oppose the "it takes a village to raise a family" mentality.

    I agree with you completely that both parties are broken and need to be removed.

    My preference would be for a Ron Paul type of party.

  2. #37

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    Pres. Ronald Reagan President 1980 -1988

    97th Congress (1981-1983)
    Majority Party: Republican (53 seats)
    Minority Party: Democrat (46 seats)
    Other Parties: 1 Independent
    Total Seats: 100


    98th Congress (1983-1985)
    Majority Party: Republican (54 seats)
    Minority Party: Democrat (46 seats)
    Other Parties: 0
    Total Seats: 100

    99th Congress (1985-1987)
    Majority Party: Republican (53 seats)
    Minority Party: Democrat (47 seats)
    Other Parties: 0
    Total Seats: 100

    http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/his...s/partydiv.htm

    The dems had the house his whole term.

    National debt

    1980 907,701,000,000.00
    1988 2,602,337,712,041.16

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    Pres Bush 1989 - 1993

    Dems had house and congress

    National Debt

    1989 2,857,430,960,187.32
    1993 4,411,488,883,139.38


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    President Clinton 1993 to 2001

    102nd Congress (1991-1993)
    Majority Party: Democrat (56 seats)
    Minority Party: Republican (44 seats)
    Other Parties: 0
    Total Seats: 100

    103rd Congress (1993-1995)
    Majority Party: Democrat (57 seats)
    Minority Party: Republican (43 seats)
    Other Parties: 0
    Total Seats: 100
    Note: Party division changed to 56 Democrats and 44 Republicans after the June 5, 1993 election of Kay B. Hutchison (R-TX).

    104th Congress (1995-1997)
    Majority Party: Republican (52 seats)
    Minority Party: Democrat (48 seats)
    Other Parties: 0
    Total Seats: 100


    105th Congress (1997-1999)
    Majority Party: Republican (55 seats)
    Minority Party: Democrat (45 seats)
    Other Parties: 0
    Total Seats: 100


    Clinton 1st term, dems had the house, the 2nd term Reps. had the house

    National Debt

    1994 4,692,749,910,013.32
    2001 5,807,463,412,200.06
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    George Bush 2001 to 2009

    Republicans had complete control, their chance to shine

    106th Congress (1999-2001)
    Majority Party: Republican (55 seats)
    Minority Party: Democrat (45 seats)
    Other Parties: 0
    Total Seats: 100

    107th Congress (2001-2003)
    Majority Party (Jan 3-20, 2001): Democrat (50 seats)
    Minority Party: Republican (50 seats)
    Other Parties: 0
    Total Seats: 100

    108th Congress (2003-2005)
    Majority Party: Republican (51 seats)
    Minority Party: Democrat (48 seats)
    Other Parties: Independent (1 seat)
    Total Seats: 100


    109th Congress (2005-2007)
    Majority Party: Republican (55 seats)
    Minority Party: Democrat (44 seats)
    Other Parties: Independent (1 seat)
    Total Seats: 100


    110th Congress (2007-2009)
    Majority Party: Democrat (49 seats)
    Minority Party: Republican (49 seats)
    Other Parties: 1Independent; 1 Independent Democrat
    Total Seats: 100

    Republicans had the house for GW's complete presidency and most of the congress
    .

    National Debt

    2001 5,807,463,412,200.06
    2009 11,909,829,003,511.75


    Are the democrats really to blame?

    Last edited by El Sol; 12-04-09 at 08:36 AM.

  3. #38

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    Anyway to sum it up. Judging by your response, it seems you will take the opposite stance of me every time just to be contrary.

    Bottom line is that you hate democrates. You hate everything about them. You will find every reason in the world to hate them even if some of there concepts are correct. They are all dirty, hippie, pot smoking, acid dropping, gay loving free loaders. You will find a way to counter anything that might be in there favor. Its clear as day regardless of what you might truely believe. I mean come on, Would you really want to pay a toll everytime you leave your driveway? Or pay a fee every time you want to take a walk in the park? I don't believe you.

    I have always believed that many of these issues are decided by personality traits more so than actual beliefs. You dont like Liberal personalitys and therefore your political views will mimic like minded conservative personality's. You can relate with them mentally. I can understand that and was exactly the same way for a time. Two things happened to me, age and my love of history, so therefore I changed as a result. Keep asking questions, engaging in debates and keep an open mind. Dont become a stubborn white hair

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