[garlic pie]

Opinion Dynamics Poll -- 46% Approval and falling

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/..._ObamaPoll.pdfgl

[iceminers26]

[tblues2005]

I agree iceminers.

[daneblazer]

This always happens after an election no matter who wins. Nobody ever meets expectations and all the people who thought Obama would pay their rent are finding that isn't the case.

[jellobiafra]

How come you don't post under "obamaisourlord" anymore? It's the same shit every day that nobody on this board is here to talk or read about.

Please fukk off. TIA.

[jjgold]

Obama has to be the biggestr asshole that ever lived

He has no clue what he is doing

I mean ZERO

He is destroying America

If you support him your a jerkoff, clueless, uneducated and like the gov't to make all your decision and should be kicked the fuk out of the Country

[CarpeDime]

ban spammers

FREE FIVEY!!!

FREE BOBBY!!!!

[Shortstop]

I'd like to see Bobby back here. He's probably still hurting from the Phillies loss in the Series though.

[wtf]

interesting article that compares the increase ratio of the dow and unemployment



The Dow Is Soaring... Tell It To the Jobless
by Dan Gainor , FOXNews.com
If you could invest in job loss, you’d be a big winner under our current president.

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Update: In classic left-wing fashion, the Obama administration is holding a jobs summit in December in “an attempt to signal his concern about the growing ranks of the unemployed,” according to The Washington Post. The summit seems to entail a bunch of people who have jobs bemoaning the fact that others do not. Government in action or is it inaction? The Post didn’t say whether the summit would be capped by everyone holding hands and singing “Kumbaya,” but it’s good odds.

Forget the stock market. Sure, the Dow has made a stunning improvement since January 20. The market has jumped from just under 8,000 to over 10,000 -- a 29 percent increase.

But that’s not the place to put your money. Unemployment is outpacing Wall Street just a bit. Joblessness went from 7.6 percent when Obama took office to 10.2 -- whopping a 34 percent increase. If you could invest in job loss, you’d be a big winner under the current president.

Clearly the people without jobs might not appreciate that philosophy. Who could blame them? For all that the media maligned the Bush administration over the economy, unemployment was better the entire time we had George W. Bush as our president.

A lot better. Nearly half the time Bush was in office, unemployment was less than half what it is now. And only in the last two months of his tenure did it top 7 percent. Unfortunately for job seekers, Bush is jobless and Obama is the one looking out for their interests.

Only he isn’t. Obama has been on a relentless campaign to get health care reform passed. He pushed the stimulus bill. He’s bailed out Wall Street and Detroit with mountains of cash so high we couldn’t count them in our lifetimes. That money went to the politically connected. Bet you already know who they gave their money to this last election cycle. Hint: It wasn’t Republicans.

The result is a job crisis the likes of which we haven’t seen since the early ’80s. And what’s scary is the trend lines for the Dow and unemployment are almost identical. CNBC Chicago Board of Trade reporter Rick Santelli made the connection in a Nov. 6 appearance. As Santelli talked, a terrifying chart showed how, as the Dow hit 8,000, 9,000 and 10,000, unemployment hit 8, 9 and 10 percent. At this writing, the Dow is at 10,246.97 and unemployment is at 10.2 percent. That’s as close to a 1-to-1 correlation as you get.

Santelli told the “Fast Money,” audience the future looks bleak. “I shudder to think where the unemployment rate is going to be at 11 and 12,000 in the Dow.”

Despite Santelli’s alarm, most of the media have depicted the rise in stocks as if the economy is experiencing good news. There is a lot more to an economy than the Dow, but it didn’t look like the networks grasped that fact. The Dow “soared,” “climbed,” “shot up,” “gained” and pretty much every other synonym you could muster. When the Dow crossed 10,000 again, CBS anchor Katie Couric could only find the good news. “Tonight, Dow 10,000. The blue chip index hits that milestone for the first time in a year as investors give the economic recovery a vote of confidence.”

Back on Oct. 14, it was CBS “Evening News” correspondent Whit Johnson raving about the Dow. “The Dow gained more than one hundred forty-four points Wednesday to close at ten thousand fifteen. Since hitting bottom in March the Dow was up nearly fifty-three percent.” That especially upbeat comparison left out the 1,400 points the market had dropped from inauguration to March 6.

Before Obama started dumping taxpayer money into every big business under the sun, he also helped drive the market down. Still, 29 percent is a strong number and if it weren’t offset by far worse unemployment, Obama would have a right to crow – all day long if he wanted.

He doesn’t. Ordinary Americans know that it’s the joblessness number that is more important. It’s not just “the economy, stupid,” it’s *jobs,* you idiots. Americans have gotten used to amazingly good jobs numbers under Clinton and Bush. Now that has all come crashing down and Obama can’t keep blaming Bush forever.

Back in 2003, CNN Money told its readers that “6 percent unemployment was -- in the early 1990s -- considered by many economists to be ‘full employment.’” That “labor-market nirvana” meant that pretty much everybody who wanted a job had one. The article went on to say that the Congressional Budget Office believed “5.2 percent unemployment is the new standard for full employment.”

For more than two years, from December 2006 to February 2008, U.S. unemployment was even better than that -- less than 5 percent. Twenty-seven straight months with joblessness averaging less than 4.7 percent. And much of that time, TV viewers were told the economy was doing poorly.

Bush suffered for that spin for eight years. Now it’s Obama’s turn. Journalists convinced the American public that good economic growth and low unemployment were bad economic times. Only one of those numbers has rebounded and the jobless know Obama hasn’t delivered. And no amount of news spin can make 10 percent unemployment look good.
Now, unemployment threatens to go higher still and jeopardize Democrats’ mid-term election prospects. The question is what craziness will Obama and desperate Dems try to pass to buy off the voters in 2010?

And how will Americans afford it?

[DwightShrute]

good article WTF

thanks

[moses millsap]

biggest joker yet, he's in cahoots with terrorists

[whatsgood5]

Originally Posted by jjgold

Obama has to be the biggestr asshole that ever lived He has no clue what he is doing I mean ZERO He is destroying America If you support him your a jerkoff, clueless, uneducated and like the gov't to make all your decision and should be kicked the fuk out of the Country

Well put, couldn't have said it any better myself

[jon101]

I agree Jobs are where its at. Thats how the govt needs to plan to fight the deficit.
Leaving americans on unemployment won't fix the problem.

[ACoochy]

from fox news....enough said

[DwightShrute]

Originally Posted by ACoochy

from fox news....enough said

and?

[ACoochy]

[quote=DwightShrute;2606955]and?[/quote

I have always been under the impression that fox isnt exactly known as a credible and objective analyser of pretty much anything that doesnt pertain to republican ideology or sports (hey, calling it as i see it from the other side of the world, and of what ive seen on fox myself....plz prove otherwise), and no offence but i wouldnt even wipe my arse with fox news as id be scared it would be too attractred to the smell of my shit to want to leave.... they should stick to infotainment (ie sports) and leave the politics to the lateral and objective thinkers amongst us..... ie ppl who actually want to tackle and actually share an interest in learning and resolving the real issues and not just play the blame game...

Still, i agree with the common consensus, but i mean how does one fix a gaping weeping wound that continually grows with simply a band-aid?? And dont ever forget that that wound was made years ago and ignored for a number of years.

Obama shouldve reined in the big corps when he 1st had the chance, but now its like ur country is stuck in the middle of an abyss, with what is slowly becoming a token leader as he is showing that he really has no real power or idea if he believes that the most disunited congress in the western world could actually come together to fulfil an agenda based on a form of common good for the greatest number and not just $$$ for the self-agendaed character types (ie special interest lobby groups etc) that are bleeding in the ears of your politicians....imo...still, this is what happens when a disproportionaite amount of control is given to self agendaed minorities (when the top 5% control the remaining 95%).....

There are laws in my country to stop these special interest groups. We learnt a long time ago that these groups just arent the way to go and that if you want to go forward then team work, open communication, a common cause and unity are vital elements needed, and now we are the most prosperous country in the world for it (and only western country NOT to go into recession with this 'global crisis' bs)....

[jon101]

In America we believe in Freedom of Speech, and Fox news has a right to their opinion, and you have the right to hate it, but as far as outlawing freedom of expression thats communism.

[DrStale]

Originally Posted by jon101

In America we believe in Freedom of Speech, and Fox news has a right to their opinion, and you have the right to hate it, but as far as outlawing freedom of expression thats communism.

The problem with this is it's not called "Fox Opinion" it's called "Fox News" To pass off some of the garbage they relay to the public as news is criminal. I do not mean to simply bash the Right here, as there are plenty of Lefty news outlets out there that push their views, but I don't think anyone does it as blatantly as Fox does.

[DwightShrute]

[quote=ACoochy;2607285]

Originally Posted by DwightShrute

and?[/quote

I have always been under the impression that fox isnt exactly known as a credible and objective analyser of pretty much anything that doesnt pertain to republican ideology

100% disagree

Sadly MSNBC and CNN want you to believe that Bullshit. Does anyone still bother watching those bland left wing so called news channels? The numbers say no. Fox is destroying them because they do cover the news fair and balanced with many new contributors on the left and right side of any given issue. Yes, they have their opinionated commentators, they are educated and bring a good solid point of view to their viewers. That's a good thing because at least they are allowed to say what they think, not tow the party line from head office.

It's easy to say Fox isn't credible but to say that without any particular examples is kinda silly. Isn't it?

[20Four7]

Originally Posted by ACoochy

from fox news....enough said

Exactly..... you inherited a mess. The country was in recession before he took power (maybe not officially but it was none the less), and 1 year later you expect everything to be rosy. Unemployment will continue to grow for at least 6 more months until everything levels out. Even tho the "recession" is over labour will lag the business cycle by at least 6 months.... Get over it, it happens all the time .

[20Four7]

Everyone has a hard on for Obama..... Let's look at Regan.... 1982 dow was at 776...... unemployment was at 9 something percent......1983 dow had climbed to over 1000 yet unemployment went into double digits..... This was the most right wing president in a while...... Get over the fact the president has nothing to do with this shit.

[Thomas]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/youscareme.asp

[Hotdiggity11]

OP has a woody for Obama, it's kinda cute.

[20Four7]

Originally Posted by Thomas

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/youscareme.asp

And what has that got to do with anything here?

How about we look at Bush's approval rating.... which was 28 %..... or Nixon's... which was 24 %.... Fvcken PPL.

[tropolis]

approval rating is relatively meaningless now, only really matters in 2012, even that doesnt really matter now since presidents are nearly an automatic 2 terms these days

[WileOut]

Yet health care is about to be passed which will screw our country for the rest of its existence.

[Shortstop]

[ACoochy]

[quote=DwightShrute;2607458]

Originally Posted by ACoochy

100% disagree

Sadly MSNBC and CNN want you to believe that Bullshit. Does anyone still bother watching those bland left wing so called news channels? The numbers say no. Fox is destroying them because they do cover the news fair and balanced with many new contributors on the left and right side of any given issue. Yes, they have their opinionated commentators, they are educated and bring a good solid point of view to their viewers. That's a good thing because at least they are allowed to say what they think, not tow the party line from head office.

It's easy to say Fox isn't credible but to say that without any particular examples is kinda silly. Isn't it?

Nobody needs to say that fox isnt credible, they do that themselves But ur correct though, all the network channels follow what sells and out the window is the moral code that once saw reporters and journalists portray 'integrity' and independence. And as far as their educated commentators go, oh please, as a educated person myself i can tell you that what they do isnt called education, its called fear mongering and they are THE experts on that topic. You show me one interview carried out by fox that doesnt present either a self driven agenda with no interest in hearing what the opposing side has to say NOR doesnt reduce itself to a verbal slanging match of who has the smallest cock ...and to think that the majority of the population accepts this as debate then goes out and replicates what they have seen through said behaviour, is it of little wonder as to why the social fabric of your country has turned ill and everyones looking to blame everyone else but themselves???

Originally Posted by jon101

In America we believe in Freedom of Speech, and Fox news has a right to their opinion, and you have the right to hate it, but as far as outlawing freedom of expression thats communism.

What exactly are you attempting to say jon? Who said anything about outlawing anything freedom of speech related?? Not intentedly attacking you jon, but this is a prime example of fox mentality where one person will say something and somehow that something will then be completely manipulated, misguided and misrepresented in a manner that portrays those that were originally trying to help into the 'evildoers' amongst us.....ooo watch out that person has a individual opinion, he must be against us and therefore a terrorist
And to say that ur country up until last year wasnt a communist state is ill advised and contrary to what the rest of the world believes....Example of this is why were journalists so scared to ask bush ANY confronting or challenging question during the terms of his presideny??? Why did your people allow to have your freedoms for which your ancestors fought hundreds of years to keep for the benefit of future generations to be partially abolished almost overnight (ie legal wiretapping, even if ur not a suspect!!) ?? People remember these things, even if others choose not to. If that isnt a portrayal of a state that doesnt have fascist and dictatorial tendancies within a communist (whoops i meant democratic but damn those lines sure were blurry for quite a while there) state then damn, all those years have taught me nothing

Originally Posted by DrStale

The problem with this is it's not called "Fox Opinion" it's called "Fox News" To pass off some of the garbage they relay to the public as news is criminal. I do not mean to simply bash the Right here, as there are plenty of Lefty news outlets out there that push their views, but I don't think anyone does it as blatantly as Fox does.

Good point. Let the news be the news and infotainment be just that, just dont sully the content of what truly matters in the world. Oh wait, lindsay lohan just got arrested again OMG front page baby

Originally Posted by 20Four7

Everyone has a hard on for Obama..... Let's look at Regan.... 1982 dow was at 776...... unemployment was at 9 something percent......1983 dow had climbed to over 1000 yet unemployment went into double digits..... This was the most right wing president in a while...... Get over the fact the president has nothing to do with this shit.

Exactly!! Who truly believes that one person wields that much influence??? Besides, most of us now know that the corps run the government anyway....The president is just a puppet (ie bush was cheney's puppet as obama is the corps puppet) and exists moreso for symbolic reasons than anything else....

[andywend]

ACoochy, the LAST thing my country should do is aim for the approval of foreign left-wing socialists like yourself.

NOBODY in the U.S. cares about your opinion as the only thing you want to see happen is for the U.S. to completely socialize our medical care system so we can have the same low quality care you're currently receiving (and most definitely deserve).

Without question, Fox News is far more balanced than the likes of Keith Olbermann on CNN which is why their ratings smash all of the other news networks.

Why don't you just stick to the politics of your own country and stop butting your unwanted nose into my country's business.

GET A LIFE, LOSER!!!

[Hotdiggity11]

People should stop fooling themselves, all of news media is a joke. FOX, MSNBC, CNN, etc etc. They are like any other corporation, there to make money and will say whatever gains them the most profits. The only thing more pathetic are the arrogant talking heads on TV who throw out their opinions with tons of mindless drones nodding their heads. Hannity, Beck, Maddow, Olbermann, etc etc.

[DwightShrute]

[quote=ACoochy;2609714]

Originally Posted by DwightShrute

What exactly are you attempting to say jon? Who said anything about outlawing anything freedom of speech related?? Not intentedly attacking you jon, but this is a prime example of fox mentality where one person will say something and somehow that something will then be completely manipulated, misguided and misrepresented in a manner that portrays those that were originally trying to help into the 'evildoers' amongst us.....ooo watch out that person has a individual opinion, he must be against us and therefore a terrorist .

Without putting words in Jons mouth, he is probably referring to the Fairness Doctrine. Ever heard of it? If he is, then yes you are wrong again Coochy and Jon is right. Right winged opinionated talk radio is far more popular than left wing slanted radio. Common sense still lives over the radio waves and with Fox News over cable. That scared the Dems. They want to regulate what you listen to on the radio rather than let the market place dictate. Sounds familiar?

[Mr KLC]

I don't see any similar to the Fairness Doctrine going through before the 2010 elections. That would be political suicide.

[DwightShrute]

Originally Posted by Hotdiggity11

People should stop fooling themselves, all of news media is a joke. FOX, MSNBC, CNN, etc etc. They are like any other corporation, there to make money and will say whatever gains them the most profits. The only thing more pathetic are the arrogant talking heads on TV who throw out their opinions with tons of mindless drones nodding their heads. Hannity, Beck, Maddow, Olbermann, etc etc.

What makes them a joke? Because FOX has intelligent opinionated commentators who tell it like they see it? Putting Olbermann in the same group as Beck and Hannity is like putting Ryan Leaf in the same sentence as Montana and Marino . Surprised that O'Reilly isn't on that list.

The fact is, for years, all you had was CNN, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, and CBS and the FOX comes around and shines a new light on all the propaganda and left wing agenda reporting that most have been subjected to all these years.

Some cannot break this mentality but would rather just discount the legitimacy of FOX in order to deflect the issue. I also suspect that some just go along with their family and friends. It's inbred. Thankfully, most are not sheep but free thinkers who accept facts as they are presented, call a spade a spade, accept that we've been fed mostly a hidden agenda all these years and are willing to listen to common sense and form their own opinion. Not regurgitate the same ole shit that is so common here.

[losturmarbles]

Originally Posted by DrStale

The problem with this is it's not called "Fox Opinion" it's called "Fox News" To pass off some of the garbage they relay to the public as news is criminal. I do not mean to simply bash the Right here, as there are plenty of Lefty news outlets out there that push their views, but I don't think anyone does it as blatantly as Fox does.

If you actually knew what you were talking about you'd be dangerous. There are plenty of opinion shows on fox who don't claim to be journalists. Yet because all the left moon bats don't like what they have to say and can't defend their criticism honestly, they try to discredit them.
If anything fox news reporters often go out of their way to make sure they're not biased because of the baseless scrutiny.

[Indecent]

Originally Posted by DwightShrute

Without putting words in Jons mouth, he is probably referring to the Fairness Doctrine. Ever heard of it? If he is, then yes you are wrong again Coochy and Jon is right. Right winged opinionated talk radio is far more popular than left wing slanted radio. Common sense still lives over the radio waves and with Fox News over cable. That scared the Dems. They want to regulate what you listen to on the radio rather than let the market place dictate. Sounds familiar?

What time can I tune into FoxNews for the common sense? Any you suggest?