[obama our lord]

The Obama administration’s actions towards Honduras continue to defy logic. On the one hand, Obama states that he is for the rule of law. Yet Obama meddles in the worst possible way in Hondurans’ attempt to protect their country from a Chavez-style tyranny. Read Fausta’s Blog for a full round-up of what Honduras was facing from this deposed dictator-in-the-making.


http://faustasblog.com/?p=13769

A Justice of the Honduran Supreme Court has released a statement confirming that the military acted on orders of the judiciary, as reported by Bloomberg:

Honduras’s military acted under judicial orders in deposing President Manuel Zelaya, Supreme Court Justice Rosalinda Cruz said, rejecting the view of President Barack Obama and other leaders that he was toppled in a coup.“The only thing the armed forces did was carry out an arrest order,” Cruz, 55, said in a telephone interview from the capital, Tegucigalpa. “There’s no doubt he was preparing his own coup by conspiring to shut down the congress and courts.”


Cruz said the court issued a sealed arrest order for Zelaya on June 26, charging him with treason and abuse of power, among other offenses. Zelaya had repeatedly breached the constitution by pushing ahead with a vote about rewriting the nation’s charter that the court ruled illegal, and which opponents contend would have paved the way for a prohibited second term.


She compared Zelaya’s tactics, including his dismissal of the armed forces chief for obeying a court order to impound ballots to be used in the vote, with those of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.


“Some say it was not Zelaya but Chavez governing,” she said.

While Obama improves relations with Venezuela, Obama has cut military ties to Honduras, is considering a cut-off of all aid, is doing nothing to stop loan suspensions by international organizations over which the U.S. has substantial influence, and is supporting international efforts to isolate Honduras.


Poor and tiny Honduras faces the full wrath of the United States, United Nations, and much of the rest of the world, while nothing is done about Iran. On Iran, Obama and the world acted with the utmost deference, and there were no efforts by the Obama administration at international action. None.


But Honduras, enforcing its own laws against a renegade wannabe President-for-life, for some reason warrants the full force of the United States government and international community. Honduras gets condemnation from Obama, while Chavez gets hugs and Ahmadinejad gets deference. Wonderful. No, horrible.

[MartinBlank]

OOL is my favorite kind of conservative tardo.

I seriously doubt that OOL will answer these questions, but I will give him a chance.

What exactly did George W do to prevent Iran from developing their nuclear program? From 2002-08, Iran made significant strides in their nuclear program, and I can't exactly find anything that Dubbya did to stop them.

Ditto on North Korea. North Korea fired missles during the entire 8 years of Dubbya's presidency, and what "punishment", did the US dole out? Oh yeah, we sent them a letter.

Suddenly the conservatives are worried about self-determination in Central America, but they had no problem when Ronnie Reagan invaded Grenada and beat down their coup.....Obama can't do the same though.

And remember when Ronnie sold weapons to Iran to kick back to the Contras? Oh yeah.....that doesn't count...because a conservative did it. How'd that work out for us anyway? Arming Iran 10 years after they abducted US citizens, Ronnie was selling them arms....imagine if Obama were selling weapons to the Taliban today?

These conservatives have had a collective lobotomy....or they are all sharing Limbaugh's pill stash. That is my only explanation for why they have been able to forget their own past actions so quickly.

[KingRevolver]

OOL doesn't answer any questions. He'll answer your questions with questions of his own. It's his favorite pastime - being a 'tard on the conservative yellow bus.

[MartinBlank]

Originally Posted by KingRevolver

OOL doesn't answer any questions. He'll answer your questions with questions of his own. It's his favorite pastime - being a 'tard on the conservative yellow bus.

That pretty much sums it up. You left one thing out. While asking questions of us, he will mention his Honduran wife.

And while I don't mean this to insult anyone's wife, why in god's name would he buy an Honduran woman for a wife, when they are so many quality gals here in the states?

[KingRevolver]

I believe him. OOL is one of these scared little conservative guys with no self-confidence! He could never get a woman here so he had to go buy one in Honduras.

[obama our lord]

What exactly did George W do to prevent Iran from developing their nuclear program? From 2002-08, Iran made significant strides in their nuclear program, and I can't exactly find anything that Dubbya did to stop them.

Iran is an international issue, and and Bush worked diligently with the international community to impose sanctions aaginst Iran for attempting to develop nuclear weapons. The Bush Administration stymied Iran's nuclear program by adopting punitive measures to dry up international investment there. Bush certainly never sucked up to Ahmadenijad the way Obama has, denoting weakness.

Ditto on North Korea. North Korea fired missles during the entire 8 years of Dubbya's presidency, and what "punishment", did the US dole out? Oh yeah, we sent them a letter.

So I guess I see what's going on here. You want to defend Obama by trying to attack Bush? That means you don't really have a defense of Obama, do you?

Bush engaged in a 6 nation strategy of isolating North Korea and a plan to offer incentives for cooperation by North Korea. This was in contrast to failed bilateral efforts of the Clinton Administration in which NK got all the goodies and simply thumbed their nose about discntinuing their nuclear programs. Bush eventually got NK to agree to provide information about its nuclear programs and to disable its main reactor. It remains to be seen what Obama will do to enforce this.

Suddenly the conservatives are worried about self-determination in Central America, but they had no problem when Ronnie Reagan invaded Grenada and beat down their coup.....Obama can't do the same though.

First of all, Honduras was not a coup. This was the removal of a man who was in violation of the Honduran Constitution and had diregarded the lawful directives of the Congress and Supreme Court, and was trying to install his own flunkies in the military so he could carry out his unlawful acts. Even his own party members were in favor of removing him. The coup was being attempted by the Chavez/Castro ally Zelaya. Odd that Obama is siding with Anti-American Countries.

Back to the 80s now? Is that how you intend to defend Obama?

Grenada served 2 purposes. Rescue medical students caught up in the conflict on the isalnd and remove a Cuban puppet government. Iguess a castorite like yoursels would probably object to that.

Why is it you libtards defend every anti-American interest and attack any pro-American interests?

And remember when Ronnie sold weapons to Iran to kick back to the Contras? Oh yeah.....that doesn't count...because a conservative did it. How'd that work out for us anyway? Arming Iran 10 years after they abducted US citizens, Ronnie was selling them arms....imagine if Obama were selling weapons to the Taliban today?

Reagan didn't do it, and his staff who did were trying to save American lives. Your ignorance is astounding. The few missiles that Iran got were used up the war of attrition against Iraq.

[MartinBlank]

[quote=obama our lord;1991203]Iran is an international issue, and and Bush worked diligently with the international community to impose sanctions aaginst Iran for attempting to develop nuclear weapons. The Bush Administration stymied Iran's nuclear program by adopting punitive measures to dry up international investment there. Bush certainly never sucked up to Ahmadenijad the way Obama has, denoting weakness.

This paragraph is pure gold. "The Bush administration stymied Iran's nuclear program"-----really? By whose standards? They have nuclear capability now---what EXACTLY was stymied?


Bush engaged in a 6 nation strategy of isolating North Korea and a plan to offer incentives for cooperation by North Korea. This was in contrast to failed bilateral efforts of the Clinton Administration in which NK got all the goodies and simply thumbed their nose about discntinuing their nuclear programs. Bush eventually got NK to agree to provide information about its nuclear programs and to disable its main reactor. It remains to be seen what Obama will do to enforce this.

Another pure gold moment.

Okay, so Bush got NK to AGREE to disable its main reactor...yet they didn't really do it. So Bush's biggest NK triumph is getting NK to lie?
Priceless stuff.

Back to the 80s now? Is that how you intend to defend Obama?

Why not? Conservatives role out Ronnie's corpse when it suits them, now suddenly the 80's don't count?

I noticed you brushed over the larger point....The Reagan administration SOLD WEAPONS TO A COUNTRY THAT HELD AMERICANS CAPTIVE FOR OVER A YEAR.....

And tell us again how the Contras were "pro-American", considering the fact that the US Congress walked away from them faster than Limbaugh buying an Oxy.

[KingRevolver]

Obama has been pwned.

[obama our lord]

This paragraph is pure gold. "The Bush administration stymied Iran's nuclear program"-----really? By whose standards? They have nuclear capability now---what EXACTLY was stymied?

As of September 2008, all intelligence was that they were prevented from having nuclear capability for non-peaceful purposes:

According to the September 15, 2008 IAEA report on the implementation of safeguards in Iran, Iran continued to provide the IAEA with access to declared nuclear material and activities, which continued to be operated under safeguards and with no evidence of any diversion of nuclear material for non-peaceful uses.

Another pure gold moment.

Okay, so Bush got NK to AGREE to disable its main reactor...yet they didn't really do it. So Bush's biggest NK triumph is getting NK to lie?
Priceless stuff.

It's not in Bush's hands any more. What is Obama going to do to enforce it? And are you just going to harp on Bush who's been gone for 6 months and Reagan who's been gone for 20 years or are you actually going to defend Obama?

Back to the 80s now? Is that how you intend to defend Obama?

Why not? Conservatives role out Ronnie's corpse when it suits them, now suddenly the 80's don't count?

I noticed you brushed over the larger point....The Reagan administration SOLD WEAPONS TO A COUNTRY THAT HELD AMERICANS CAPTIVE FOR OVER A YEAR.....

You really to need to study the issue instead of making libtard talking points. It was MUCH more complicated than that. Israel was actually supposed to be supplying the arms to anti-Khomeini moderates, but as a show of good will hostages were to be released. In any event, there was never any other purpose than to save American lives

And tell us again how the Contras were "pro-American", considering the fact that the US Congress walked away from them faster than Limbaugh buying an Oxy.

And exactly how was that Congress pro-American? These were the same damn fools who passed the nuclear freeze pledge that would have frozen our nuclear program, while giving the Soviets freedom to do what they wanted.

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[Emily_Haines]

Woo gives a flying fuk about either of these countries.

I could give a rats ass.

FUKK EM

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[MartinBlank]

I was waiting to see if OOL even bothered to address the United States' role in the San Salvador Civil War under Ronnie Reagan and Bush I.

Predictably he didn't.

Honduras has a neighbor to its south...yep, you guessed it--San Salvador.

In 1984, Jose Duarte won the Salvordan presidency beating Roberto d'Aubuisson.

How did this happen? Well according to CIA station chief Robert White----the "United States wanted to be able to control this area of Latin America, and Duarte offered us that..so we financed his campaign to the tune of 3 million US dollars. We were going to win that election even if we had to steal it"

Why is this significant? Well, the US gov't brought to the good people of San Salvador the concept of death squads. And they managed to rape and murder nuns, priests, missionaries and political opposition to their cause. All on the United States' dime.

This in the mind of a conservative is perfectly acceptable.....but if Obama goes pubic with his support of a Latin American leader-----whoa....how dare he!

[obama our lord]

And tell us again how the Contras were "pro-American", considering the fact that the US Congress walked away from them faster than Limbaugh buying an Oxy.

Oh and BTW. I wouldn't exactly say they actually walked away from the issue. IIRC, they passed a resolution of support FOR the Marxist Ortega government and against Reagan.

[MartinBlank]

Taco...who is that? Is she Honduran?

[obama our lord]

In 1984, Jose Duarte won the Salvordan presidency beating Roberto d'Aubuisson.

How did this happen? Well according to CIA station chief Robert White----the "United States wanted to be able to control this area of Latin America, and Duarte offered us that..so we financed his campaign to the tune of 3 million US dollars. We were going to win that election even if we had to steal it"

Why is this significant? Well, the US gov't brought to the good people of San Salvador the concept of death squads. And they managed to rape and murder nuns, priests, missionaries and political opposition to their cause. All on the United States' dime.

Well, I'll try and follow the logic of this.

Roberto d'Aubuisson was the leader of the so called death squads. So we supported the death squads by campaigning against his reelection?

[lakerboy]

ool- god help you no one else can

[TheLock]

Obama Our Lord gets a visit from the Secret Service within the next 60 days:

Yes -240

No +200

[obama our lord]

Originally Posted by TheLock

Obama Our Lord gets a visit from the Secret Service within the next 60 days:

Yes -240

No +200

So you agree Obama is a Fascist Asshole?

[TheLock]

I have no clue how you came to that conclusion from my post.

[obama our lord]

Originally Posted by TheLock

I have no clue how you came to that conclusion from my post.

You made me an odds on favorite for getting a visit from the SS simply because I called him an asshole (among other similarly appropriate things) on a message board.

[TheLock]

You're fvcking consumed with anger and hatred for the president. No one on this board fvcking cares about all your bs.

Go to a political forum and spout your brains off to people who care.

[jon101]

Well Obama is like most black guys unless you have their crack they don't want to kill you that or your white. So he is spineless unless you take away his nicorette. He spends and spends and spends and job losses keep mounting. He signs tax hikes and breaks campaign promises, and thats how he does business.
What I say to the kids who need healthcare is we can fund it on the backs of hardworking americans but when it comes to war we'll let the budget pay for that(taxes already paid). Either way, those kids need to get jobs, and pay for their own healthcare, and if they can't tough titty. I am not a conservative, I am an independant and believe that we should follow graham rudman to the letter. No spending above a balanced budget. After all the chinese credit cards are gonna dry up. I don't hate Obama, I pity him.
He inherited W's mess, and can't dig his way out with the printing presses at the federal reserve doing double time.