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  1. #1

    Romney Economics; Fewer Teachers; Fewer Firefighters; Fewer Cops


  2. #2

    Mr. flip flop, no plan Romney inserts foot in mouth again.

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    so boring watching someone spin the disaster known as Obama.
    Lies after lies
    healthcare gonna me overturned as unconstitutional - pass in secret - no one ever read it when he signed into law. You just can't make up shit like that.
    credit rating lowered
    debt increased at historic rate despite promising to cut in half
    there are literally dozens of examples s to why this president doesn't deserve another term but yet there are obviously those that will support failure.
    Last edited by DwightShrute; 06-09-12 at 06:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DwightShrute View Post


    so boring watching someone spin the disaster known as Obama.
    Lies after lies
    healthcare gonna me overturned as unconstitutional - pass in secret - no one ever read it when he signed into law. You just can't make up shit like that.
    credit rating lowered
    debt increased at historic rate despite promising to cut in half
    there are literally dozens of examples s to why this president doesn't deserve another term but yet there are obviously those that will support failure.

    This post is an exact replica of your cluttered mind. Three word lines, the letter "s" just hanging around for no apparent reason. "Health care gonna me overturned." Whatever the fck that means. Toss in "credit rating lowered" even though that was entirely the fault of the R. Aren't you ashamed to exhibit how little your care about accuracy and honesty? I would ask if you are drunk but I know you are not it is just a perfect example how the deranged mind functions.

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    God I am glad guys like you and Balco are Republicans. You would bring great shame to the D.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dante1 View Post
    This post is an exact replica of your cluttered mind. Three word lines, the letter "s" just hanging around for no apparent reason. "Health care gonna me overturned." Whatever the fck that means. Toss in "credit rating lowered" even though that was entirely the fault of the R. Aren't you ashamed to exhibit how little your care about accuracy and honesty? I would ask if you are drunk but I know you are not it is just a perfect example how the deranged mind functions.
    lol , "Health care gonna me be overturned." For you simpletons. I wonder how long it took you before giving up?

    Funny post only because you can't see how foolish you make yourself appear. Try reading your last comment out loud. Sounds like its from a bitter old man so out of touch with reality its laughable. Your posts only give me and many others a good chuckle and reaffirm I am on the right side of the issues. Thanks for that. You are so predicable its almost not fair. Do insane people know they're insane?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dante1 View Post
    God I am glad guys like you and Balco are Republicans. You would bring great shame to the D.
    and you do bring shame to the D.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DwightShrute View Post
    and you do bring shame to the D.

    Oh my! Is that all you have? Is that your reply? Dwight take some pride in your comments. Tell me how people can take you seriously when your posts are filled with comical errors? How long does it take to proofread? Not long at all. We all make errors but one or two paragraphs that contain a half-dozen errors reflects not only on your intellect but your credibility.

    You should really be thanking me because none of your so called friends will mention it. But, don't think guys like IP and a handful of others don't see it. They do and probably cringe. His responses are almost always near perfect, and hardly ever contain any blatant errors. He does have a small tendency of getting off point but I think that is a plan. However, that is beside the point, the point is if my criticism tends to improve your responses isn't that a positive thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dante1 View Post
    Oh my! Is that all you have? Is that your reply? Dwight take some pride in your comments. Tell me how people can take you seriously when your posts are filled with comical errors? How long does it take to proofread? Not long at all. We all make errors but one or two paragraphs that contain a half-dozen errors reflects not only on your intellect but your credibility.

    You should really be thanking me because none of your so called friends will mention it. But, don't think guys like IP and a handful of others don't see it. They do and probably cringe. His responses are almost always near perfect, and hardly ever contain any blatant errors. He does have a small tendency of getting off point but I think that is a plan. However, that is beside the point, the point is if my criticism tends to improve your responses isn't that a positive thing?
    really? Is that all you got? 2 paragraphs a you said nothing as usual. You win with the grammar portion. Attaboy. Obviously intelligence and grammar aren't always synonymous. Can you be anymore pompous? Scoot to the kiddie table where you can impress someone.

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    "Pearls before swine." "2 paragraphs a you said nothing..." Amazing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dante1 View Post
    "Pearls before swine." "2 paragraphs a you said nothing..." Amazing!
    kiddie table pal. They will be impressed and you will feel superior. Here, you only look like a pompous old man. Take my advice. Your way isn't working.


    Don't you get bored coming here and just acting as if you are some how superior? lol. Try to be objective for once. Better yet, show some class.
    Last edited by DwightShrute; 06-11-12 at 07:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DwightShrute View Post
    kiddie table pal. They will be impressed and you will feel superior. Here, you only look like a pompous old man. Take my advice. Your way isn't working.


    Don't you get bored coming here and just acting as if you are some how superior? lol. Try to be objective for once. Better yet, show some class.


    Dwight

    Do you have a short memory or are you just 100% stupid? You know if this correspondence continues it is only a matter of time until I have you so frustrated and irritated that you will pull another repeat performance of pitiful proportions. Do you recall when you became so tongue twisted, so out of intellectual ammunition so over matched that you started sending me love letters. Remember hugs and kisses in a stupid effort to humiliate me which only resulted in humiliating yourself. Do you recall your girly comments, should I find them? Do you recall your sabbatical when you finally gave up?

    Oh but wait that happened not once but twice. The guy that posts thousands of posts became so embarrassed and humiliated that you disappeared. Once for about a week and then again for about two weeks. I felt so bad for you I apologized and asked you to come back. Remember? It wasn't until much later that you hobbled back. You do know what I can do to you in a battle of wits, right? But, it is not really fair because you have so little ammunition. I actually start feeling sorry for you. I start feeling like I am taking advantage of a little kid, proof is my apology to you and asking you to return. Notice I never brought up, not once--well you know. I promised I wouldn't, and I didn't and I still won't.

    Now be careful or I will get you in that state again. You know what I mean. You get so angry that you sent me pm's calling me a...what was that again, oh yeah a c..t. That was original. Dwight, when you know you are overmatched it is a good idea to cease and desist. Think about it or I just might make you cry again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dante1 View Post
    Dwight

    Do you have a short memory or are you just 100% stupid? You know if this correspondence continues it is only a matter of time until I have you so frustrated and irritated that you will pull another repeat performance of pitiful proportions. Do you recall when you became so tongue twisted, so out of intellectual ammunition so over matched that you started sending me love letters. Remember hugs and kisses in a stupid effort to humiliate me which only resulted in humiliating yourself. Do you recall your girly comments, should I find them? Do you recall your sabbatical when you finally gave up?

    Oh but wait that happened not once but twice. The guy that posts thousands of posts became so embarrassed and humiliated that you disappeared. Once for about a week and then again for about two weeks. I felt so bad for you I apologized and asked you to come back. Remember? It wasn't until much later that you hobbled back. You do know what I can do to you in a battle of wits, right? But, it is not really fair because you have so little ammunition. I actually start feeling sorry for you. I start feeling like I am taking advantage of a little kid, proof is my apology to you and asking you to return. Notice I never brought up, not once--well you know. I promised I wouldn't, and I didn't and I still won't.

    Now be careful or I will get you in that state again. You know what I mean. You get so angry that you sent me pm's calling me a...what was that again, oh yeah a c..t. That was original. Dwight, when you know you are overmatched it is a good idea to cease and desist. Think about it or I just might make you cry again.
    you are delusional. I love guys like you that think they are intellectually superior. You aren't. Its obvious to everyone. You have never embarrassed me in anyway. In fact, quite the opposite is true. You are doing it now. 100% of your posts are the same. Insults. You might fool some people initially but eventually your true pathetic cowardly personality always comes out. Case and point. This is what your life's become? Coming on forums pretending to be this intellectualy superior professor? Really? You ain't fooling anyone.
    Last edited by DwightShrute; 06-11-12 at 07:41 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DwightShrute View Post
    you are delusional. I love guys like you that think they are intellectually superior. You aren't. Its obvious to everyone. You have never embarrassed me in anyway. In fact, quite the opposite is true. You are doing it now. 100% of your posts are the same. Insults. You might fool some people initially but eventually your true pathetic cowardly personality always comes out. Case and point. This is what your life's become? Coming on forums pretending to be this intellectualy superior professor? Really? You ain't fooling anyone.


    Wait. Are you saying that didn't happen.

    I need not fool anybody Dwight witness my small number of posts compared to you.I do this for fun, I get a kick out of making sport out of the intellectually stunted the politically stupid, the uneducated fools. But, I get bored quickly and give you a break for weeks and months at a time.

    Must I pull up your past posts? Geez, I don't want to do that. It is a real pain in the ass. Delusional hmmm.

    No hugs and kisses, little disappointed. Well at least you said you love me. You just don't think before posting do you? Maybe it wouldn't make a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dante1 View Post
    Wait. Are you saying that didn't happen.

    I need not fool anybody Dwight witness my small number of posts compared to you.I do this for fun, I get a kick out of making sport out of the intellectually stunted the politically stupid, the uneducated fools. But, I get bored quickly and give you a break for weeks and months at a time.

    Must I pull up your past posts? Geez, I don't want to do that. It is a real pain in the ass. Delusional hmmm.

    No hugs and kisses, little disappointed. Well at least you said you love me. You just don't think before posting do you? Maybe it wouldn't make a difference.
    you aren't smart enough to realize how dumb you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DwightShrute View Post
    you aren't smart enough to realize how dumb you are.

    See what I mean guys. It is only a matter of time until this lad becomes so frustrated and confused this is how he responds. Take a sec and think about this comment. This is when I have to quit because Dwight is one or two posts away from another break down.

    Ok Dwight you win I relent. I am afraid for your mental health. You may have the next and last say.

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  18. #18

    Double class sizes, cut the number of teachers in half.

    Keep the number of firefighters the same and recruit volunteer firefighters with the hopes of going full-time at a later date.

    Less Cops....I am 100% OK with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carseller4 View Post
    Double class sizes, cut the number of teachers in half.
    That'll fix our school systems. Do you know any teachers? Give a teacher fifty 6 year olds to deal with? That'd be absolutely nuts.

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    He said we don't need more, not that we need to fire them all. And last time I checked, police and fire is mainly left to local government not D.C. so that is left out of the mix. Same SHOULD be for education if we ever plan on righting the ship there.

    Education budgets are just fine...it's the administrations in local government that screw the pooch there. A superintendent and other school board members in a county where the average salary is $33k a year should not be making $96k per year plus benefits on the public dime when the teachers in the district are suffering and parents are having to buy mandated crap for back to school lists that should be provided by the schools in the first place. Those who think we should just throw more money into the mix are clueless in real world goings on in local schools. Another key fix would be to step away from the property tax standard to base school attendance on (a better option than the controversial vouchers which I like also). Just because one county public school is more affluent doesn't mean those students perform any better/worse then a lower funded one.

    Funding for law enforcement should be more proactive in seizure holdings....plenty of smaller counties have in place where they keep vehicles and money seized in narcotics convictions (not indictments but convictions) and use this to fund officers and equipment....the local tax payers love it because it keeps city councils from coming back each year with more nickel and dime tax hikes of 1% here and .07% there. Leave larger metro areas out of that since their tax base is much larger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itchypickle View Post

    Education budgets are just fine...it's the administrations in local government that screw the pooch there. A superintendent and other school board members in a county where the average salary is $33k a year should not be making $96k per year plus benefits on the public dime when the teachers in the district are suffering and parents are having to buy mandated crap for back to school lists that should be provided by the schools in the first place. Those who think we should just throw more money into the mix are clueless in real world goings on in local schools. Another key fix would be to step away from the property tax standard to base school attendance on (a better option than the controversial vouchers which I like also). Just because one county public school is more affluent doesn't mean those students perform any better/worse then a lower funded one.
    I don't know why but this has the sound of "the private sector is doing just fine." I think many public schools are truly suffering. Many are really suffering with cuts.

    And yes many are placing increased fees on parents, back to school lists are nuts anymore. But where should schools find funding to do away with these requirements?

    I agree with you on funding v. test scores. A lot of schools spend more yet produce less, DC is one of the worst-

    http://www.supportingevidence.com/Ed..._by_state.html

    If you propose replacing property taxes as school funding where do you think that funding should come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by itchypickle View Post
    Funding for law enforcement should be more proactive in seizure holdings....plenty of smaller counties have in place where they keep vehicles and money seized in narcotics convictions (not indictments but convictions) and use this to fund officers and equipment....the local tax payers love it because it keeps city councils from coming back each year with more nickel and dime tax hikes of 1% here and .07% there. Leave larger metro areas out of that since their tax base is much larger.

    Law enforcement is seizing all kinds of stuff, have been for years. I can't remember the last national conference I went to where this wasn't a subject. The SCOTUS heard a case not that long ago about this very issue-

    http://www.apbweb.com/policy-updates...-seizures.html

    Overall I agree with the concept but some departments have taken it a bit too far in my opinion. Go to a party, break no laws and lose your car? Doesn't seem right. I remember back in the 90's where an older couple lost their home of 50+ years because their adult loser son was growing 5 marijuana plants in a remote area of the 5 acre property. That too seems like a pretty shitty way for agencies to fund their operations. How many folks here would be OK with the police seizing their home and computers for on-line gambling?

    In theory it's a good idea, problem is once you give an agency the power to seize that power will be abused by some. Maybe all if their funding became solely dependent on the seizures.

    And I think you should look into the amount of federal funding your local agenies receive. Might be surprised.
    Last edited by Tully Mars 63; 06-12-12 at 02:33 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tully Mars 63 View Post
    I don't know why but this has the sound of "the private sector is doing just fine." I think many public schools are truly suffering. Many are really suffering with cuts.

    And yes many are placing increased fees on parents, back to school lists are nuts anymore. But where should schools find funding to do away with these requirements?

    I agree with you on funding v. test scores. A lot of schools spend more yet produce less, DC is one of the worst-

    http://www.supportingevidence.com/Ed..._by_state.html

    If you propose replacing property taxes as school funding where do you think that funding should come from?




    Law enforcement is seizing all kinds of stuff, have been for years. I can't remember the last national conference I went to where this wasn't a subject. The SCOTUS heard a case not that long ago about this very issue-

    http://www.apbweb.com/policy-updates...-seizures.html

    Overall I agree with the concept but some departments have taken it a bit too far in my opinion. Go to a party, break no laws and lose your car? Doesn't seem right. I remember back in the 90's where an older couple lost their home of 50+ years because their adult loser son was growing 5 marijuana plants in a remote area of the 5 acre property. That too seems like a pretty shitty way for agencies to fund their operations. How many folks here would be OK with the police seizing their home and computers for on-line gambling?

    In theory it's a good idea, problem is once you give an agency the power to seize that power will be abused by some. Maybe all if their funding became solely dependent on the seizures.

    And I think you should look into the amount of federal funding your local agenies receive. Might be surprised.
    I didn't mean replace property tax as the source for schools, I meant as far as selection on where kids are allowed to attend. It's a clusterfukk of a system. I get a close hand look at it is why I've kept up on the inner workings, the wife's best friend is a teacher...just left a private school job to home school her last daughter due to all of the nonsense in districting vs funding. We all grew up hearing "we bought the house in xyz neighborhood because they have such great schools as compared to that other subdivision" and this led to the school boards getting in bed with realtors to do each other favors...the you have the rules written in that sometimes screw people who actually live across the street from one school but due to auto registration or other employment issues without legwork on the parents' part they are forced to put kids in another school 15 miles away etc. But the largest issue to date is how schools are forced to basically fall on their face with no chance of coming back to decent accreditation levels before the Federal Dept of Education can come in and takeover and then it blows up because now they have to realign schools to place students and once this happens you end up punishing families financially who had no recourse because of federal laws that are 'one size fits all' and might work in Chicago or Detroit but is devastating in Jackson Mississippi or North Atlanta and many other smaller communities. The kids have to change schools and there is a crazy formula they come up with to either give tax credits or reimburse parents to send their kids to the new school once the other one closes. These are the types of issues 90% of American families are facing, local issues, and do not care if Obama or Romney says one stupid sentence out of the thousands on the stump or who one picked on 50 years ago vs the others past drug use.

    On the seizure $$ the example of the party and lost car is why I mentioned conviction and not just arrest/charging. If it were too easy then cops could get together and plan who/what to go after based solely on net return with no oversight. Obviously can't write and entire SOP on here but in summary it would relate to only major drug offenses of trafficking or organizations and the proceeds would come only after an outside agency or court were allowed to review the actions and verify that a conviction resulted and not just an assumption - so if you have 4 ounces of weed and $200 in $5 bills you won't lose your parent's Tahoe you were rolling in....but if a known criminal enterprise member or repeat offender and high volume dealer is arrested through an investigation...then the assets can be seized and sold or utilized by the participating agency. It's not widely known but most of those shiny brand new cop cars are actually leased by the city/county in a fleet package and end up only costing maybe $1200/year per vehicle for 4 years...then its given to the dept as a write off to say Ford or Dodge and they sell them at auction and the money is then either reinvested in equipment or too many times given as 'bonuses' to higher ups in the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itchypickle View Post
    I didn't mean replace property tax as the source for schools, I meant as far as selection on where kids are allowed to attend. It's a clusterfukk of a system. I get a close hand look at it is why I've kept up on the inner workings, the wife's best friend is a teacher...just left a private school job to home school her last daughter due to all of the nonsense in districting vs funding. We all grew up hearing "we bought the house in xyz neighborhood because they have such great schools as compared to that other subdivision" and this led to the school boards getting in bed with realtors to do each other favors...the you have the rules written in that sometimes screw people who actually live across the street from one school but due to auto registration or other employment issues without legwork on the parents' part they are forced to put kids in another school 15 miles away etc. But the largest issue to date is how schools are forced to basically fall on their face with no chance of coming back to decent accreditation levels before the Federal Dept of Education can come in and takeover and then it blows up because now they have to realign schools to place students and once this happens you end up punishing families financially who had no recourse because of federal laws that are 'one size fits all' and might work in Chicago or Detroit but is devastating in Jackson Mississippi or North Atlanta and many other smaller communities. The kids have to change schools and there is a crazy formula they come up with to either give tax credits or reimburse parents to send their kids to the new school once the other one closes. These are the types of issues 90% of American families are facing, local issues, and do not care if Obama or Romney says one stupid sentence out of the thousands on the stump or who one picked on 50 years ago vs the others past drug use.

    On the seizure $$ the example of the party and lost car is why I mentioned conviction and not just arrest/charging. If it were too easy then cops could get together and plan who/what to go after based solely on net return with no oversight. Obviously can't write and entire SOP on here but in summary it would relate to only major drug offenses of trafficking or organizations and the proceeds would come only after an outside agency or court were allowed to review the actions and verify that a conviction resulted and not just an assumption - so if you have 4 ounces of weed and $200 in $5 bills you won't lose your parent's Tahoe you were rolling in....but if a known criminal enterprise member or repeat offender and high volume dealer is arrested through an investigation...then the assets can be seized and sold or utilized by the participating agency. It's not widely known but most of those shiny brand new cop cars are actually leased by the city/county in a fleet package and end up only costing maybe $1200/year per vehicle for 4 years...then its given to the dept as a write off to say Ford or Dodge and they sell them at auction and the money is then either reinvested in equipment or too many times given as 'bonuses' to higher ups in the process.

    I'm not going to address many of your points about schools. Primarily because I have little to no knowledge regarding the subject. I will say I've never heard of school districts and realtors making sweetheart deals with each other. Doesn't mean it's not true simply that I have no knowledge of it.

    As for police agencies leasing cars is this something new? I know when I retired we were talking about leasing a few non-transport non-pursuit vehicles. Basically about 3% of our agencies vehicles. Pursuit and transport vehicles are usually so modified that leasing them was not an option. I'm not saying some company hasn't developed a business model that works but it seems unlikely to me that they could do it for $1200 a year. I mean you can't get a Kia for $100 a month, can you? How could a business lease a fully equipped cruiser for that? Maybe if they charged a base rate of $1200 and added a mileage charge. A lot of police vehicles are on the road nearly 24/7 and rack up a ton of miles very quickly. The math here just doesn't add up to me.


    Here I found this from the Seattle PD regarding vehicle costs and leasing. If other departments are getting them for $1200 a year the tax payers in Seattle should be pissed-

    http://www.seattle.gov/fleets/docs/F...ycle_Lease.pdf
    Last edited by Tully Mars 63; 06-12-12 at 04:13 AM.

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    Mitt you are doing great and should win with ease!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!1

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkelly110 View Post
    Mr. flip flop, no plan Romney inserts foot in mouth again.


    any intelligent person out would agree with him. No surprise you don't.

    Cops are irrelevant. By the nature of casuality they respond to crime after it has been committed and the assailant as fled more than 90% of the time.

    Teachers are overcompensated for low performance big time, that's not even debatable. They can work as low as 3-5 years and earn tenure. Unreal.

    The only respectable group of the bunch is firefighters and they sit on their ass half the day.
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    IDK, the way the public is as far as helping a person in need, a cop would be a welcome sight.

    The way kids are (disrespectful) and the way teachers have their hands tied for discipline, they are high paid
    babysitters.

    I would rather a fireman sit on his ass all day and be at my fire in 5 mins, than not. At least their equipment
    is clean and organized.

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    Police and law enforcement work is no picnic. It's high stress, you rarely really know what to expect when responding to a call. And often when you're called out even the person calling you is not happy to see you, domestic call outs suck. Everyone in the public will second guess your ever action or inaction. If enough pressure is applied to management they will throw you under the nearest bus to protect themselves regardless of what you were directed to do originally. And nearly everyone will think you're over paid, never mind you're on call 24 hrs a day on a regular basis.

    Teachers. Only thing I've ever taught is self defense and EMT I courses at community colleges. Self Defense was part of my regular job so no additional pay there. EMT courses were paid through the local Red Cross chapter and most students were fellow volunteer firefighters. So all my students were eager to learn. I have one daughter and she attended public school all but one year. During visits to the school, sports, conferences, parent teacher meetings etc... My take was teachers earn there money and then some. Parents expect teachers to raise and educate their children. Parents should raise their own kids.

    I was a firefighter in the military. There was no sitting around half a day on your ass there. I volunteered with several dept. over the years. The time spent on call outs is nothing compared to the equipment maintenance and necessary training courses. So even when not getting paid there was no sitting around on your ass half the time. Most depts. I volunteered with did have decent 4th of July parties, usually on some day other then the 4th as the number of call outs on the 4th are typically high.

    I find usually when people claim "those folks are under worked and over paid" have no idea what it's like to work in that field.
    Last edited by Tully Mars 63; 06-13-12 at 10:13 AM.

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    One of the biggest problems with giving teacher's unions more money is they rarely spend it on improving education for the kids. It often goes to administrative expenses, raises for existing teachers who are doing a piss-poor job, and creating high-paying, fake positions given to cronies with names like "Diversity Counselor" or "Environmental Admistrator".

  30. #30

    I'm all for fewer cops ...

  31. #31

    The Federal Government isn't the ones who hire firemen cops and teachers..States and Municipalities are the ones that do. To say that Romney wants fewer of them is totally asinine (and par for the course here)..If there are less of those people than you want, bitch at your Mayors and State Legislators

  32. #32

    "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

    Many conservatives LOVE to focus on the "provide for the common defense" part and forget that "form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, and promote the general welfare" are spoken in the same sentence (3 of the 4 I might add placed in front of defense). It is hard by any stretch to argue that education, fire-fighting, and criminal enforcement do not fall under the "general welfare" of the United States. Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution also delegates Congress the power "to promote the progress of science and useful arts" which supporting education very much is.

  33. #33

    Good one shafted. Maybe those morons should write that on their foreheads and their hands.

  34. #34

    Hard to say I can agree with any thing this turd says

    but we sure don't need anymore cops and I'm also for taking their pensions away too.
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